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Scientists Say That The Earth Will Run Out Of Usable Topsoil In 60 Years

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"Chemical farming" is probably the worst evil that the US has given to the world. It has broken the carbon cycle and burns up the natural humus created by maintaining living roots and their ecosphere. From continued tilling to applying chemical fertilizers and herbicides we are burning up our topsoil. The thing is though is that we can farm to create topsoil and soil health with long known farming techniques. We are great at making mass volumes of produce, but is the cost worth it? Look at the loss of nutritional value in our foods as another side effect. It is down over 75% in the last fifty years!
Big Farma is only interested in maintaining their profits. It is hard to get off the chemicals once you get addicted. Check out a couple of videos by Gabe Brown. It's not that hard to figure out a solution to this.
 
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Remember peak oil!!
Actually "Peak Oil" did happen as it was based on "Conventional Oil" basins. Those Basins did reach peak production in 1970-1971. We then became dependent on Middle East oil. Eventually the economics worked out that non-conventional oil plays (Shale, Tightg Sands, etc.) became viable at much higher costs (thanks inflation). We now have domestic oil production and could ramp it up if not for the politics albeit at much higher prices than for conventional oil. Even then prices are much higher due to deeper and more challenging environments for extraction. On a side note, "peak oil" doesn't mean when the "oil runs out" but that when the easily produced economically viable has been extracted and production declines to the extraction economics.
 

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"Chemical farming" is probably the worst evil that the US has given to the world. It has broken the carbon cycle and burns up the natural humus created by maintaining living roots and their ecosphere. From continued tilling to applying chemical fertilizers and herbicides we are burning up our topsoil. The thing is though is that we can farm to create topsoil and soil health with long known farming techniques. We are great at making mass volumes of produce, but is the cost worth it? Look at the loss of nutritional value in our foods as another side effect. It is down over 75% in the last fifty years!
Big Farma is only interested in maintaining their profits. It is hard to get off the chemicals once you get addicted. Check out a couple of videos by Gabe Brown. It's not that hard to figure out a solution to this.
Gotta keep ramping up production for the over populated mouth breathers.
Man kind has been living above nature instead of in concert with it. It will catch up to us eventually. We live longer than ever (unless you read and believe the bible), we eradicate diseases that kill us, we prop up pregnancies that were doomed to failure, we nurse to adult hood those that should have died at birth, we kill off every natural predator, we breed like rabbits (but that is slowing some). This life is precious, save every living human being attitude society has leads to sucking up natural resources at an ever increasing rate while we forcefully adapt our environment to suit our needs instead of living in concert with the environment. We are the virus of the planet and one day there's going to be a cure.
 

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Weren't the rainforests supposed to be gone by now? And humanity extinct? And the air unbreatheable? And... For my whole life, "science" and goverment have been working hand in hand to scare us into giving up personal freedoms and accepting the burden of higher taxation in the name of buying our way out of one manufactured crisis or another. Fuck scientists, and fuck the goverment. Enough with the lies and bullshit, just leave us alone already.
 

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F'em, I don't care what scientists say any more, the only pertinent question is who paid them............

ymmv...........
That’s all well and good but a bunch of us still have another fifty years left and care about our kids quality of life.

Really wish the generations before mine would of listened to the scientists.

Global warming, reservoirs drying up, Amazon deforestation, oceans coral beds dead, nearly every water source is undrinkable, etc etc.

We know have micro plastics in our blood, our livestock, and in our snow and rain.

But fuck them scientists. We know better right?
 

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Is all that bougie uptown grass full of pesticide and broadleaf killer?
I don't really care, and they likely do use some kind of pre-emerges for their lawn, but it's long gone and breaks down in the pile along with the rest of material in the pile. It's kinda like people who get their panties twisted about GMOs, I've used them for years, both GMOs and chemicals.

The best stuff out there, according to about any gardening guru, is "Back to Nature, cotton burr compost. I will guaranfukkintee you the cotton used in this bagged compost has been sprayed multiple times, it's the nature of controlling the growth of the plant during the growing season.
 
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"Chemical farming" is probably the worst evil that the US has given to the world. It has broken the carbon cycle and burns up the natural humus created by maintaining living roots and their ecosphere. From continued tilling to applying chemical fertilizers and herbicides we are burning up our topsoil. The thing is though is that we can farm to create topsoil and soil health with long known farming techniques. We are great at making mass volumes of produce, but is the cost worth it? Look at the loss of nutritional value in our foods as another side effect. It is down over 75% in the last fifty years!
Big Farma is only interested in maintaining their profits. It is hard to get off the chemicals once you get addicted. Check out a couple of videos by Gabe Brown. It's not that hard to figure out a solution to this.
I watched this, and I didn't gather anywhere that he didn't use chemicals or the evil man-made fertilizer. He simply changed to no-til farming about 1993 it sounded like, but instead of a mono cropping conventional system, he is more intensive on keeping something growing on his acres in the out of season period. Many farmers are now using cover crops between their primary crops. It's no big thang. The only limiting factor in some areas down my way is moisture availability between crops.

I'll wager there is only a handful of gents on the forum that understand the concept or purpose of no-till farming, what it's goals for the soil are, it's long term, trust me on that.
 

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Gotta keep ramping up production for the over populated mouth breathers.
Man kind has been living above nature instead of in concert with it. It will catch up to us eventually. We live longer than ever (unless you read and believe the bible), we eradicate diseases that kill us, we prop up pregnancies that were doomed to failure, we nurse to adult hood those that should have died at birth, we kill off every natural predator, we breed like rabbits (but that is slowing some). This life is precious, save every living human being attitude society has leads to sucking up natural resources at an ever increasing rate while we forcefully adapt our environment to suit our needs instead of living in concert with the environment. We are the virus of the planet and one day there's going to be a cure.
My opinion is that in many ways your are right about the population and how it effects the world. Add to your thoughts that in almost every science and technology man has progressed far beyond what was thought possible. What never progressed to be able to handle change is the elites in government. All the science and technology at their fingertips to really make a better world yet they just fill their pockets as the world burns.
 

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All I know is scientists and US government when put together do far more damage than any good so I’m gonna stick with I have no faith in science but I do have faith in what I was taught growing up on farm and I practice it religiously and have the utmost respect for the land that feeds me and my family.
 

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All I know is scientists and US government when put together do far more damage than any good so I’m gonna stick with I have no faith in science but I do have faith in what I was taught growing up on farm and I practice it religiously and have the utmost respect for the land that feeds me and my family.
It's my opinion that unfortunately science and government sees the population just like HK does and decided to cull the population. Globalist and the ccp are fighting over who should live on the planet. The next few years will kill billions because the elite are too stupid to run the planet. Enjoy today, tomorrow may never come.
 

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Weren't the rainforests supposed to be gone by now? And humanity extinct? And the air unbreatheable? And... For my whole life, "science" and goverment have been working hand in hand to scare us into giving up personal freedoms and accepting the burden of higher taxation in the name of buying our way out of one manufactured crisis or another. Fuck scientists, and fuck the goverment. Enough with the lies and bullshit, just leave us alone already.
Like in this country we've got more trees now than pre 1600.

Even China has been planting trees like crazy for 30 years.

I just don't buy all this BS that man itself is so destructive to nature. We can be if we want, but it can also go the other way. In my case where I live now, I cleaned up a lot of the scruffy stuff, improved the land, cut down old and dead trees, planted stuff wildlife can eat, improved the water situation. Now its a very nice place where a ton of wildlife live.

If done right, man is actually here to make the earth better, not make it worse.
 

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Kinda like water...we have the same amount as always, but it moves around.

"It's not dirt, it's misplaced soil" ...this, from a Forestry professor, long ago.
That’s what my Weeds and Seeds prof told me in freshman Agronomy back in 1973, dirt is just soil where it ain’t wanted.
 

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I watched this, and I didn't gather anywhere that he didn't use chemicals or the evil man-made fertilizer. He simply changed to no-til farming about 1993 it sounded like, but instead of a mono cropping conventional system, he is more intensive on keeping something growing on his acres in the out of season period. Many farmers are now using cover crops between their primary crops. It's no big thang. The only limiting factor in some areas down my way is moisture availability between crops.
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I'll wager there is only a handful of gents on the forum that understand the concept or purpose of no-till farming, what it's goals for the soil are, it's long term, trust me on that.
I believe he quit using all chemical fertilizers around 2000. You are definetely a 'conventional" farm guy. Not saying you don't have a right to do whatever you want, but I don't believe you should nay say regenerative agriculture just because of your ignorance of it techniques or benefits. Alot of the old breed farmers are set in their ways and cannot even admit that there may be a better way. Your inputs keep rising and you're caught up in the law of dimishing returns. I get it. It's hard to relearn everything that you were taught for the last 50 years. Our grandfathers were a lot more in touch with the land and they knew how important soil health was. The Universities were bought and paid for by the folks that are pushing GMO crops, herbicides and chemical fertilizers. Do me a favor and check if your GMO crops are capable of using mychrorizorl fungi to extend nutrient, sugar and moisure collection.
 

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I believe he quit using all chemical fertilizers around 2000. You are definetely a 'conventional" farm guy. Not saying you don't have a right to do whatever you want, but I don't believe you should nay say regenerative agriculture just because of your ignorance of it techniques or benefits. Alot of the old breed farmers are set in their ways and cannot even admit that there may be a better way. Your inputs keep rising and you're caught up in the law of dimishing returns. I get it. It's hard to relearn everything that you were taught for the last 50 years. Our grandfathers were a lot more in touch with the land and they knew how important soil health was. The Universities were bought and paid for by the folks that are pushing GMO crops, herbicides and chemical fertilizers. Do me a favor and check if your GMO crops are capable of using mychrorizorl fungi to extend nutrient, sugar and moisure collection.
Grandfathers didn't know any more than than anyone else. Most of them farmed all the soil health away and didn't realize what they were doing. The native soils were turned over with a plow, had plenty of nutrients for good crops for years and years. The Turkey Red wheat they brought from Europe, raises 30 bu crops for years without anything added, until they wore the soil out, reducing the original humous content from about 8% to below 2% in many cases.

I went no-til in 1996, tried the cover crop approach some years later. I attended enough seminars to convince me it was a method that we needed to adopt. But, that old saying, " Farming looks mighty easy when your plow is a pencil and you're a thousand miles from the corn field. " is and always has been valid. Try it in real life, it doesn't follow the rules ya learned in class. And that speaker's comments on growing good crops on only 2" is the biggest line of shit I've ever heard. Almost every no-tiller in the area here planted a crop right behind the wheat combine here in June. It is so hot and dry, nothing emerged. NOTHING. Even on land that has been no-tilled for 30 years. The cotton planted on open ground, not following wheat, is the only thing that is green at present, it's flowering now - - - - - - - mostly at 6" tall. It's so damn dry and hot, even the tough cotton plant as struggling.

This guy reminds me of investment counselors, they have all the answers of how to make you rich, but they are not rich themsleves, they are work-a-day people, selling a product to gullible people. If what this guy says is true, and was that easy, everyone would be doing it and quitting what they are doing. Farmers aren't stupid, they will transition if something proves to be successful. What this speaker isn't saying is the labor involved in maintaining what he is doing. Many farmers are single man operations, many with their sons along with them. It hard to find farm labor these days, no one wants to work. Less than 2% of this country are farmers, not many want to put in the work anymore, and it's dwindling every year. If this method works so well, people would be flocking to it. That was the big shift in agrarian lifestyles at the turn of the century. When a small fraction of citizenry decided to raise food for the other 95% + of the country, the 95% let them. The 95% got lazy, and that trait won't change.

The speaker's potato crop was impressive, I've grown potatoes in hay bales too, it's not rocket science. But, he used some land somewhere to produce the compost he applied, and more intensive labor to produce it. And all that seed he plants for cover crops is produced by someone else, I'll lay odds. And it ain't cheap, BTDT.

Once again, if it was so damn easy, and so successful, the world would be flocking to it. He runs a very intensive livestock operation on his land, plus the pigs and chickens. What are they gonna do in the near future when we decouple from the use of consuming animals, if the greenies have their way. Oops. I'm just glad I'm retired and all I have to worry about is myself for a while.
 

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My family stopped using chemical fertilizers during WW2 and never went back to using them have come up with our own natural formulas for feeding crops and our yields are incredible. Soil management is something that has been in our practice for over a hundred years now and there’s absolutely no drop in the quality of the soil or hardly any erosion. We collect rain water and have storage for plenty of water in case of a dry season. We only use our own seeds for example tomato and cucumbers selecting the largest with least amount of seeds and saving them in our seed freezer and repeating this selection year after year. Could keep going on like a Huey post but unless you’re taught this from the old time farmers who understood soil and maintenance before farming became so lost in commercialization and science. So me I’m listening to the old farmer or possibly a scientist that hasn’t been in government circles
 

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Grandfathers didn't know any more than than anyone else. Most of them farmed all the soil health away and didn't realize what they were doing. The native soils were turned over with a plow, had plenty of nutrients for good crops for years and years. The Turkey Red wheat they brought from Europe, raises 30 bu crops for years without anything added, until they wore the soil out, reducing the original humous content from about 8% to below 2% in many cases.

I went no-til in 1996, tried the cover crop approach some years later. I attended enough seminars to convince me it was a method that we needed to adopt. But, that old saying, " Farming looks mighty easy when your plow is a pencil and you're a thousand miles from the corn field. " is and always has been valid. Try it in real life, it doesn't follow the rules ya learned in class. And that speaker's comments on growing good crops on only 2" is the biggest line of shit I've ever heard. Almost every no-tiller in the area here planted a crop right behind the wheat combine here in June. It is so hot and dry, nothing emerged. NOTHING. Even on land that has been no-tilled for 30 years. The cotton planted on open ground, not following wheat, is the only thing that is green at present, it's flowering now - - - - - - - mostly at 6" tall. It's so damn dry and hot, even the tough cotton plant as struggling.

This guy reminds me of investment counselors, they have all the answers of how to make you rich, but they are not rich themsleves, they are work-a-day people, selling a product to gullible people. If what this guy says is true, and was that easy, everyone would be doing it and quitting what they are doing. Farmers aren't stupid, they will transition if something proves to be successful. What this speaker isn't saying is the labor involved in maintaining what he is doing. Many farmers are single man operations, many with their sons along with them. It hard to find farm labor these days, no one wants to work. Less than 2% of this country are farmers, not many want to put in the work anymore, and it's dwindling every year. If this method works so well, people would be flocking to it. That was the big shift in agrarian lifestyles at the turn of the century. When a small fraction of citizenry decided to raise food for the other 95% + of the country, the 95% let them. The 95% got lazy, and that trait won't change.

The speaker's potato crop was impressive, I've grown potatoes in hay bales too, it's not rocket science. But, he used some land somewhere to produce the compost he applied, and more intensive labor to produce it. And all that seed he plants for cover crops is produced by someone else, I'll lay odds. And it ain't cheap, BTDT.

Once again, if it was so damn easy, and so successful, the world would be flocking to it. He runs a very intensive livestock operation on his land, plus the pigs and chickens. What are they gonna do in the near future when we decouple from the use of consuming animals, if the greenies have their way. Oops. I'm just glad I'm retired and all I have to worry about is myself for a while.
Having a 15yd load of "farmers mix" topsoil and compost delivered today. No sand because I it's already nothing but sand on the property. Any place to find out how to prepare it for planting say this fall? I noticed that a lot of gardens have not done well with the heat we've been having. Guy up the street sell tomatoes this time of year and notice it was only for a short period this season
 

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One of those dreaded yellow death machines. They contribute to higher crop yields and lower infiltration of crop destroying insects. Have been helping feed the population for a while now as have large scale farmers. Maybe this is where those chem trails are coming from. The sky will start falling here in about 10 mins 🤣 1AB5E499-F8BC-4967-A19A-CE17E90722E3.jpeg
 

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Having a 15yd load of "farmers mix" topsoil and compost delivered today. No sand because I it's already nothing but sand on the property. Any place to find out how to prepare it for planting say this fall? I noticed that a lot of gardens have not done well with the heat we've been having. Guy up the street sell tomatoes this time of year and notice it was only for a short period this season
I mix mine with the bucket on the tractor, then go over it with the tiller to blend. If you have a tiller, spread some of your stuff ya bought, mix it in with the sand base in place, then spread another layer. Sand will help drainage. I suppose your google-fu is about like mine.

Yes, the mater crop here sucked too. I'm planting corn and beans in the garden now, and for the next few weeks. Might put in some beets, been getting farm fresh eggs from friends in church, plan on pickling eggs ASAP, and ya know, they gotta be purple. Just looks better. Can't find any broccoli or brussels sprouts sets, so will plant some in pots to set out in 3 to 4 weeks. Gonna be gone for about a week second week of August, hope I can trust someone to water. :cool: ;)
 
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