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SAR 4800 .223/5.56 Serial # Range

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While looking up info on the SAR4800 .223, I have found a lot of posts referring to 1500 SAR 4800 .223/5.55 rifles being in circulation...

I personally have:
SA-SR 153X
SA-SR 154X

So obviously there are more than 1500!!

Both of my rifles have the fake flash supp held in place by a slotted screw,...covering the threads...
Question??
Can I leave the fake flash supp alone and use the required # of US parts to have a pistol grip and standard stock?? Or does it have to be permanently attached in order to use required # of US parts to have pg and standard stock??



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Congratulations on your two (2) sar4800 223's. Any suggestions for finding others? Locally there haven't been any around in a couple of years. I emailed ds arms last night asking them about plans for 223, waiting to hear back...
 

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Interesting, Ive been told later models wont fit a 20 rd AR mag. Hard to tell in your pic but your mag well adaptor looks different from mine. Could you post pics of the mag well area and the muzzle weight screw? Have you removed the weight to see if you have a threaded muzzle?
 

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WTD,

I'd like to know what you hear from them. I know there are plans for a .243, but the .223 is more appealing to me because they can be made to use AR prebans. Thanks.

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WTD,
Thanks!! I am also trying to find other .223's IF I come across any I will let you know..IF only DSA made a .223!!!

Mr Pogo,
I did a search last night and remeber coming across your post on "id this part"...I forgot how your magwell looks...I will look at it again to compare it to mine. I have not removed the set screw on either rifle but I suspect that the bbl's are threaded...

DK,
I tried some 10rd factory COLT AR15 mags and they will not lock into place...I also tried a unknown manufactured STEEL 20 rd mag which was supposedly shipped with PATRIOT pistols..The mag does not fit(also does not lock into place)...The mag does not appear to be a USA brand mag!...Also tried 30rd(+22-22 date code) and 30/45rd Thermold mags and they all do not lock into place...Seems that the SAR 4800 mag catch is just a tad too big to lock into place or that the mag catch grove on the mags i have tried is cut lower on the mag body..The EAGLE constant force spring mag you see in my pic locks into place with less movement in the magwell compared to All AR 15 type 30rd mags seem to have slightly more movement of mag in magwell. Plastic also does not rattle as much!!!

Mr. Pogo,
Looked at derek huffman, azexarms post on .223 parts...His magwell and yours along with mine all look exactly alike...Your two shots in your ID post were only of the right side of the magwell(front and back angles)..Nevertheless it looks exactly like mine from those angles..Also the left side of the magwell(mag catch side) shown in all of your postings of your rifle looks jsut like mine. Hope this clears it up!!


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btw, USGI 20 rounders fit, work and look BADASS! oh, you bet i need another one and they come around only a few times a year. now i need a TNT paratrooper rear site with M16 aperatures.
 

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DK,
I tried some 10rd factory COLT AR15 mags and they will not lock into place...I also tried a unknown manufactured
STEEL 20 rd mag which was supposedly shipped with PATRIOT pistols..The mag does not fit(also does not lock into
place)...The mag does not appear to be a USA brand mag!...Also tried 30rd(+22-22 date code) and 30/45rd
Thermold mags and they all do not lock into place...Seems that the SAR 4800 mag catch is just a tad too big to
lock into place or that the mag catch grove on the mags i have tried is cut lower on the mag body..The EAGLE
constant force spring mag you see in my pic locks into place with less movement in the magwell compared to All AR
15 type 30rd mags seem to have slightly more movement of mag in magwell. Plastic also does not rattle as much!!!
Mr. Pogo,
Looked at derek huffman, azexarms post on .223 parts...His magwell and yours along with mine all look exactly
alike...Your two shots in your ID post were only of the right side of the magwell(front and back
angles)..Nevertheless it looks exactly like mine from those angles..Also the left side of the magwell(mag catch side)
shown in all of your postings of your rifle looks jsut like mine. Hope this clears it up!!
Thanks for the info, apparently there is some sort of difference in later models accepting certain AR mags. Ive been trading emails with another board member (know his email name but cant remember his board name)who has both a 15xx serial and an earlier SAR. The later SAR will only accept 30rd GI mags and with a setscrew muzzle weight the barrel muzzle is not threaded.


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While we're dreaming, how about a pre-ban SAR48 receiver, re-fitted w/ an SAR4800's .223 assorted receiver parts, bolt/carrier, folding cocking handle, DSA shorty 13" front end w/ genuine Belgian long flashider and folding stock??


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DK,

You are indeed an EVIL man! Making me covet yet another FAL variation!

I have most of the components (SAR 4800 .223 and SAR 48) to build the gun you envision!

The only thing I don't have is a source for the 13" barrel and the complete Para lower and related Bolt/carrier etc. I even have the Folding CH.

Now you got me REALLY thinking???

BUT -- I don't know if we would pass the BATF smell test on this?

Would it still be considered a PREBAN?

Something to think about though...

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SA can be reached at - (800) 680-6866.

They informed me that my SAR 4800 .223 was imported 3/26/96.

They also state that the US. Imported SAR 4800 .223's SN.'s ranged from SA-SR-1071 to 2500 or 3000. They were not sure exactly -- but no higher than SN.3000.

So on the high end that makes the total imported 1,929. On the low end it's 1,429.

Now we know.



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my SAR4800 in .223/5.56 SN 12xx import marked COLONA, ILL (a small Springfield facility outside of Geneseo) was imported in August of 1993. PREBAN BABY! man, i feel sorry for the poor guy I got it from, i paid a cool grand for the rifle and $300 for an aimpoint, bunch of mags and a case. how much is a preban SAR 4800 in .223 worth??

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Ah, yes!


It WOULD be a pre-ban if you use the SAR 48 receiver. That's the important part, as it was assembled as a pre-ban assault weapon before Nov. 30, 1990. You would simply be re-barreling an existing pre-ban rifle


(small quiet voice: "do it do it do it do it...")


DK

Originally posted by ironman0311:
DK,

You are indeed an EVIL man! Making me covet yet another FAL variation!

I have most of the components (SAR 4800 .223 and SAR 48) to build the gun you envision!

The only thing I don't have is a source for the 13" barrel and the complete Para lower and related Bolt/carrier etc. I even have the Folding CH.

Now you got me REALLY thinking???

BUT -- I don't know if we would pass the BATF smell test on this?

Would it still be considered a PREBAN?

Something to think about though...


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ironman0311,
Thanks for the info!!! Where on the SN range does your rifle fall in??

Does anyone know if they made the .223 with a 21" bbl ?? or the .308 with a 18" bbl??

Were there .223 rifles with the blind pin fake flash/supp??

I think that my dealer showed me a spanking new SAR 4800 .308 with a 18" bbl having the fake birdcage flash supp held in place by a slotted set screw..Maybe I remember wrong! He got it for $700!!!! HE kept it for himself...Bought it from some dope at a gunshow!!!
 

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Trojan,

My SN is 157X. so yours look like they may have come in on the same batch.

Mine had the fake birdcage with on small slotted screw at 6:00 on the barrel. These were press fitted and "glued". My barrel had no threads when we replaced the brake with a "legalized" a blind pinned version MB.

Never saw a SAR 4800 .308 in 18". Saw a Arggie in 18" with a fake brake/thread protector. Also saw a SAR 48 in 18". "Brush Gun"

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Trojan
Springfield offered 3 varieties of SAR4800s, all 7.62mm I think. Standard, Bush and Compact. What the specs of each I dont know.

On the 5.56s, somewhere between serials 1400 to 1500 they switched from a threaded on muzzle weight to the setscrew muzzle weight with plain muzzle.
 

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Mr.Pogo
Dang I didn't know they made a compact model.
A friend and I ordered 2 of each model cause
we couldn't decide what to get. Of course
this was a few years back. Now that I'm older
and smarter I find out there was another to
be had (compact)??
Has anybody seen one?? Or better yet know
where to find one???
Just have to complete the set!!!
Thanks
Mike
 

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Info came direct off the Springfield box their rifles come in. Shows all the different rifle models with a check box for whatevers in the box.

Compact might be a SAR4800 that came with accessory kit SA sold in the time frame between 89 and 90 when you could still legally convert to preban. DK has more info on that I think.
 

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Now that you mention it I do faintly remember
the markings on the box. But that was back in
the day when the box got torn open and thrown
into the fire as we danced around it with our
new guns.
Sorry for getting off topic of the origional
thread.
Thanks
Mike
 
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