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G/BiY FAQs (7 Dec 2006 Update)

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Revised 17 march 2005. Happy St. Paddy's Day!
Update 10 Feb 2006-


For Vince-
.223 FALs: elusive as can be had!



Don't cry for me Argentina, part deux!

Oz: I come from the Land Downunder!

Hold it! (the BHO, or Bolt Hold Open device)

Bolt Carrier swaps

It's an FN-BRAKE!

CAI- NOT your local spook-beaver!

DSA- it's what's for FAL!

Entreprise: the adventures continue!

the Gas Cylinder: it's a-round here somewhere!

CIA- who are these guys!?

Century: never in a Millenium!

CETME: the real mother of the G3

PTR-91: the new kid on the block?!

Cosmolene: what IS that stuff!!??!!

Feed ramps: yield!!

Finishes: what to do when you're done

FSE- one of the good guys

The G1: Sturm und Drang for naught

Gas Blocks

Gas Block removal

If I had a hammer.....

Headspace- what your sweetheart doesn't want you to know!

Hesse: Frankenstein's FAL!

Inch- it's not just a number!?

Izzy: to izzy or not to izzy, that is the question.....

Locking Shoulders: the armbone's connected to the receiver bone!

Magazine: not for use while reading?

Metric: What Standard International Units is REALLY all about!!?

CETME trigger packs: more fun than a batch of Spanish olives!

TSP: Mr Clean for gunstuff

Parkerizing: dip this!!

Ports: it's a gas man!!

Barrel Length: Size does matter!

WECSOG- it's not just a hobby, it's an adventure!

Stubs: for those who need some new scars!

Bottoming out: not for the stub-challenged!!

Pull! Triggers: Or, what to do with that damned military-grade HST?!

Extractors: NOT what the dentist ordered!

Regulators: this is NOT the Dakotas!!

Coonan: we are here to POMP your up!!

IMBEL- To be or not to be: that is the question.

Twist: if only Chubby could see us now!

Scope Mounts: seeing is believing

Tapco: they have everything, so expect a lot of answers.

Stuck: what can possibly keep me from getting this mammo-jammer OFF?

Sights: what you can't see, will hurt you.

Garand: "The world's greatest battle rifle"!

Threads: not clothes!

Entreprise

Tools: what- where-when- why?

Dremel: grab bag of anything Dr. WEC would say?

Brass Kisses? A demanding mistress indeed!

Polish: it's not for WJ, but it is for smooth!

Lubrication: Too much of a good thing is BAD!

Para! The Holy Grail?

Rhodesia- building the other Holy Grail?

Shave? Old Spice is not for your barrel!


NEW 7 December 2006
Conversion: a dark side to every choir boy!
 

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OK, I need recommendations for 'search' masks.
e.g.:
'fitting'
'tightening'
'headspace'

Give them to me, so I can develop! Thread will remain open.
 

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free float, heavy barrel, barrel crowning angles, gas tube length, receiver -- too carry handle cut or not? How to avoid vertical stringing, upper/trigger group interface (how tight does it need to be?) Barrel contour, gas blocks...

Ok can't think of any more.
 

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Searches are ok but is there any where that we can find tried and true do's and don'ts ?

Like from people that have actually done the mods with out having to wade thru tons of "a friend of a friend said" type posts or 'do this....but i don't know if it works' type posts.
 

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In my limited experience, the things that yielded results for me on a "stock" FAL were adding another spring to the rear sight so it wouldn't flop around, a concentric crown, fixing the handguards so they butted against the barrel without adding any stress, reducing trigger pull weight, and finally and most important, load development.

Of course, adding a heavier, stiffer match grade barrel and a true free float handguard such as Ed Vandenberg's takes it to the next plateau.
 

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Just a comment: A review of past posts & topics should IHMO delete errors in
fact and opinion. Yes, sometimes that is a judgement call. The aim, (I hope) is
to develop a base of sound working knowledge. Question: with the various
FAL versions, esp. HB vs light, do some of these conflict?
 

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I'm not the G/BiY Forum Mod-of-Record. Sorting through it all would probably take TONNES of time. I recommend simple searches. In addition, the R&D Forum thread entitled "Eureka" is a source of more generalized info. I'll keep plugging away at this. But Gary et al can send/post search 'masks' as they identify good issues.

* Added 'free-floating' today!
 

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Right Side Up @ 1000 MPH said:
In my limited experience, the things that yielded results for me on a "stock" FAL were adding another spring to the rear sight so it wouldn't flop around, a concentric crown, fixing the handguards so they butted against the barrel without adding any stress, reducing trigger pull weight, and finally and most important, load development.

Of course, adding a heavier, stiffer match grade barrel and a true free float handguard such as Ed Vandenberg's takes it to the next plateau.

Just a thought on the loose rear sight - be nice if someone made an HK style rear sight for the FN. No wobble there and pretty robust too.

The heavy barrels, scopes etc turn a tuff reliable battle rifle into toy imho. My Imbel build shoots port into 3" at 200 yds on a good day and that is all the accuracy I need from this rifle. If I want to split hairs, I get out my bolt action Remingtons............

Moto
 

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motosapien said:



Just a thought on the loose rear sight - be nice if someone made an HK style rear sight for the FN. No wobble there and pretty robust too.


Moto

I have been drilling out the spring pocket in the rear sight to accept a larger second spring that goes over the small original one. This extra pressure keeps the sight located (like an AR15 A2 rear sight is). I squeeze the forks down enough in a vise enough to tighten up the fit on the base but leave it loose enoug to move. The extra spring takes care of the rest.

I have seen rear sights on FAL's that would move about .015" back and forth. That will kill accuracy.
 

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I would love to get 3" at 100 yards I have problem with frist shoot fliers anybody be sides me have that problem
GunBuff, so do I. But I know and expect this because I always run an oily swab down the barrel before I put the gun away and I never have any time (or intention) to run a dry patch before I go to the range so I discount the first shot. Shoots real well and consistently after that. This also blows away the oil in the gas tube, etc. Here's your smoking gun. Better than rusty gun.
 

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Battle rifle accuracy

In 1968 I was introduced to my first M-14, made by TRW I believe. The
serial# was 390425. The flash supperssor was cracked in 4 places
at the "corners" of the bottom rib. I could see a worn spot where bullets
had been hitting the "exit port". Now, our targets had no rings on them,
just silhouettes(sp). Once I got the hang of the trajectory most of them
did fall down when I aimed at them. Everyone thought this was pretty cool.
A few weeks later while firing I experienced a blast that was about three
times as rough as normal. I had a double feed jam from the jolt, which I
cleared. The next shot was (now) pretty funny... I couldn't see the front
sight. I unloaded and pulled the thing back for a look. Only thing on the
muzzle were the threads! Have no idea where the parts went.
Point is that it WORKED up until that point...the targets did fall!
(with my new flash suppressor and front sight I only qualified Sharpshooter)
Now, in my estimation that was an EFFECTIVE Battle rifle out to 350m.
I sure do get a kick out of all the things I read here, I'd get a bigger kick
out of just getting a FAL to duplicate that performance of 1968.
 

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small groups

I have a heavy barrel that I have shot 10 shot groups with at 600 yds that measure 6 inches X 10 inches. This is over a sleeping bag from the prone position using Brit RG ammo and issue sights. With a scope at 200 yds it will shoot sub 2 inch all day long. An othe L1Al I have will shoot 1 1/2 inch at 100 yds. I have owned others that 3 inches would be a dream. The barrel crown seems to be a problem on some rifles.
Always look for a gem in the ruff.
Gunseller
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Say Gunseller,
How much does that HB weigh loaded? Sounds like it's a good shooter.
I'm waiting for some details to finish up before I build me a FAL.
Question: How long does it take your rounds to travel 600yds?
I hear all this about "Effective Battle Rifles" but I don't see anyone who
has figured in the "Target Cooperation Factor", meaning that in a combat situation lots of targets just REFUSE to stay still and wait for a bullet that
was launched from 600yds away.
Welcome to the group!
Joe
 

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My HB is between 12 and 13 pounds. It would not be my first choice for a general combat rifle. I would go with my L1A1 backed up by fire support. When you shoot off the bipod groups get big. My match AR weights 15.5 pounds.
Gunseller
 

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I'll just say this.

When the AR15 appeared, many refused to regard it even as a suitable infantryman's rifle. Now, it wins every service rifle match at Camp Perry...well except maybe the 1000-yard match sometimes.

I doubt that the now-obsolete FAL will ever achieve the popularity of the M16-type rifles. I'm sure the military would rather use a flatter shooting round than the .223 or .308 if they had their druthers. But, service rifle caliber is defined by by the rules.

The guy (Jeff?) at the DSA shop on commercial row at Camp Perry this year said something about DSA sponsoring some FAL shooters for the NRA matches at Perry in 2004. THAT should be interesting. The only way the FAL is going to come close to being competitive in the match rifle class is to install $700 worth of sights, a $500 barrel, a $200 trigger, definitely a custom and/or adjustable stock, some sort of expensive free-float handguard system, some sort of expensive barrel, and some nut behind the butt who can shoot better than a 2202 over the course of four days. That will never happen. But wait a minute. They said that about the mousegun too didn't they?
 

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Seems like you are going for search fields to have available for people to click and get results for accuracy concerns?
1. best scope mount
2. ultimate headspacing.... well something like that :D
3. best gas piston rods
4. rear sights
Oh yah.
5. Best prayers for trigger performance.
 

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My Aussie will shoot under moa with a scope(I don't look so good, sometimes), with S/A or Radway, better with the Austrian stuff. I've only run it at 400, so can't say how it would work further out, but there doesn't seem to be a design problem with the rifle.
The mouse guns only took 20 years of time and money to run up front, with the government fronting most of the money, since it was/is a main battle rifle for them.
Guess the question is, how much can we collectively spend, on stuff that may or may not work, to run up front?
My reccollections of the Australian/Brit standards for accuracy is 3" at 200.
That's 15" AT 1000, with, last I checked, a 16" Vring at that range.
Maybe these guns really WILL carry the mail?
 

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Gunseller

What scope do you have on your FAL. @ 200 yards with Iron sight I am getting 3 inch groups, No problems with 1st round fliers. (21" STG) But for the longer range 600+ shot I'd like a nice scope.

STxDR
 
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