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DEAL ALERT - pulldown rifle powder

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After spending too much time flogging a near dead horse. I have come to the conclusion this powder is probably Lovex DO73.06. Lovex and Shooters world list it, and mention it's similar to Accurate 2520. Cross referencing load data, and running it through GRT, and Hornady, produce numbers within 20-60 FPS , depending on variables , of the numbers WEG recorded at 44 gr. for a muzzle velocity of 2750 - 2800 fps, theoretically. Thanks for effort WEG!!!👏
 

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I ginned up a batch of 5.56 with 24.4 grains and another with 24.8 grains.
Using 69-grain RMR bullet.

Looks like Thursday should be decent weather.
Dumpster biz has been more sporty than usual since the holidays ended. I guess people trying to throw out a lot of shit they tired of smelling. And rightly, some shit has just simply gone bad, and GOTS TO GO. My time's coming too. Hopefully not before Thursday.
But coast is clear for dumpster-disasters for Thursday so far.
Even the customers seem to be losing it. They call me up and say the craziest shit. I have to tell 'em, "No, I can't come out for that. When you figure out what in the hell you are trying to get me to do, send an email that makes sense. Cause what you just said makes NO SENSE."

Me and my shooting buddy with the ShotMarker electronic target are supposed to hit the range. I'll get some numbers for those loads.

My prediction is somewhere between 24.4 and 24.8 are gonna give same velocity with a 69 RMR as I usually get with 24.2 grains TAC.
 
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I think the 7.62 load of 44.0 grains in a LAKE CITY CASE with a 145-150 bullet is good to go.
No further development needed.

Remember, there really is a difference in case capacity with "MILITARY" (i.e. Lake City) cases as compared to "commercial" .308 brass.
If you run commecial .308 brass, you probably will want to jack the power charge up to 44.5 grains.

Lot of folks love the 168-grain bullets. I've shot about a million of them with 41.5 grains IMR-4895 in a Lake City case.
I think 41.5 grains of this pulldown will do well with a 168. Quickload says 41.5 grains of 2520 with a 168 in a military case (52.0 grains H2O) makes 54,000 psi. That's gonna be 98% loading density. Should be REAL ACCURATE.

By comparison, Quickload says 41.5 grains IMR-4895 with a 168 in a military case makes 56,000 psi.
 
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The M62A1 tracer bullets are interesting...
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I'm amazed that only one person noticed this. I wonder if the pictures are wrong, or what. M62A1 is dark red. Black tip usually means something very different. :D Base looks too rounded to be either of these.
If I wasn't sitting on a bunch of cases of mixed FN/FNM/Israeli 7.62x51 blacktips, I'd be tempted to order some of these pills just to see what's up.
See oldpost: https://www.falfiles.com/threads/7-62x51-ap-black-tip.357288/
 

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I didn’t make it out to the range today like I said I would.

My shooting buddy with the electronic target texted yesterday and said he has the crud. So we put it off.

Daughter in law is due to deliver grandbaby #2 any day now. We are supposed to watch grandbaby #1 while all the fuckery of #2 is happening.

#1 is cute as beans but is the literal embodiment of the Tasmanian Devil going through the house. Might be able to sneak in a range trip before #2 is delivered.

Just got today’s picture of #2 while I was writing this. Looking like she’ll deliver around 9 pounds.
Her brother, #1 arrived at 11 pounds.

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Completed some testing today on the CDVS pulldown "223" powder.

This powder is slower than what I would normally regard as "223" powder.
Definitely not "like H-335"
This powder is a relatively slow-burning powder. Far slower than H-335

I think it will be a good powder for 5.56 and 7.62 NATO.
Although, don't look for screamer velocities with this stuff.

I am not at all keen on it for 30-06. The loading density is too low (too much air in the case).
I had delayed-ignition issues with 50% of the 30-06 rounds fired today.
When fired today in 30-06 Garand, I could literally hear three distinct sounds when I pulled the trigger. I could hear the sear release "tick," then the hammer fall "ting," then the ignition of the powder "boom." Very weird. First time I've ever experienced that.

Velocities in the 30-06 were extremely erratic - varying by as much as 400 fps from shot-to-shot.

Its possible that simply "sticking more powder in it" might eliminate the delayed-ignition issues with the 30-06. But I'm not interested in testing that. If 49.0 grains of a powder won't drive a 150-grain bullet without delayed-ignition shenanigans, that powder is simply not suited for the caliber, and I'm done trying to force it to work.

Velocities were consistent with 7.62 NATO and 5.56.

The delayed-ignition thing only happened with 30-06. There were no delayed-ignition incidents with 7.62 NATO or 5.56.

Because I had been of the mistaken belief that this powder was "like H-335" my test loads erred toward lower powder charges.

44.0 grains is going to be a good load with a 145-150 grain bullet in 7.62 NATO

The heaviest load I actually tested with the 69-grain bullet in 5.56 today was only 24.0 grains. That load clocked slower than my "sighter load," I think 24.5 - 24.8 grains is going to be the better load for the 69-grain bullet. I will load some of those and test as opportunity allows.

The "sighter" loads used today to establish comparison-velocities were known-good loads for each respective caliber.
The idea being that some notch on each respective ladders tested would generate a velocity very close to one of the known-good loads.
This objective was achieved only with 7.62 NATO today. 44.0 grains of the pulldown powder with a 150-grain bullet will very likely serve you well. As already mentioned, the 30-06 test failed to identify any load that is even reliable. The 5.56 loads tested, while they functioned fine in the gun, and seemed accurate enough, just were falling short on velocity. I will be "sticking more powder in it" with the 5.56, and I expect good results. Probably going to be 24.8 grains with a 69.

I did not test closely for accuracy today. I was firing on an electronic target. Groups for the 7.62 NATO and 5.56 looked typical for the guns and my ability. The groups for the 30-06 were horrible - due in no small part to my flinching during the 30-06 delayed-ignition.

If I had to say this powder is "like" some conmmonly-known powder, I would say its probably somewhere between VARGET and your favorite flavor of 4350.

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Thanks for the report. I may use this for 7.62 instead of 5.56 from what you're saying. Mine just says ".223 pulldown powder" printed on the label, but not "like H335" It has "25 gr" printed as well, which I assume is the charge weight of the .223 pulldown ammo.

I just ordered an 8 lb jug of Titegroup and H335 from Hogdon, almost $700 to my door. Ugh...


I'm done for a while. Keep your deals to yourself WEG... 🤣
 
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I'm amazed that only one person noticed this. I wonder if the pictures are wrong, or what. M62A1 is dark red. Black tip usually means something very different. :D Base looks too rounded to be either of these.
If I wasn't sitting on a bunch of cases of mixed FN/FNM/Israeli 7.62x51 blacktips, I'd be tempted to order some of these pills just to see what's up.
See oldpost: https://www.falfiles.com/threads/7-62x51-ap-black-tip.357288/
They are truly M62A1 bullets. They are 900 yd. tracers and have a solid copper core. Certainly not AP, but also not lead core.

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