Anyone here shoot or have experience with an 18o5 Winchester? Sort of have my eye on one in 30-06
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Any Winchester 1895 guys here?
- Thread starter Cessnapilot89
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I have owned several.
What is your specific question?
Original Winchester, or modern Miroku ?
Crescent butt Rifle, shotgun butt Rifle, or original Carbine ?
What is your specific question?
Original Winchester, or modern Miroku ?
Crescent butt Rifle, shotgun butt Rifle, or original Carbine ?
Owned a Browning and a Winchester rifle version, and a Winchester SRC with the flip up rear sight like many WWI era bolt guns had. All Miroku manufactured. Only fired the Winchester rifle, really just to say I had. Might be fine for hunting but nothing you're going to hold off the hordes with. For a 30.06 pseudo defensive rifle I'd grab my Mitchells Mauser M63 Tanker any day of the week.
MACV
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I’ve got a Browning 1895 Miroku in 30.06. Great rifle. Buy it.
Pinnacle of Win lever action IMO.
fal762
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Here's a YT channel that deals quite a bit with 1895s. The Cinnabar deals mainly with lever aactions.
The 30-06 1895 SRC will clear your sinuses…
I would be happy with either
lpcullen
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I think mine was made in 1914. Sadly someone replaced the stock with one that had a shotgun type butt plate. I can get a repro carbine stock but I've never been able to find an original carbine butt plate. I think they were the same style used on the Russian contracts.
357ross
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Having owned one in 30 army (30-40 krag, saddle ring carbine) they are good guns, but you might be better off with a newer Browning if you want a shooter as opposed to a collector. I would hazard a guess the later versions have a little better steel in them, (and probably some goofy safety) buts that's conjecture. For what it's worth, Browning designed and sold the patent to Winchester back in the day.
fal762
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Venom6
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Had one in .30-03 (not .30-06). Cool guns. Great to see the guts come swinging down in hinged-lever magnificence with each cycling of the action; kinda reminds one of a prolapsing cow. The '06s developed a reputation for receiver stretching/growing headspace, so if you get it (and I think you should) you might wanna choose its ammo carefully. Please do keep us posted, meaning pictures when you get it home. 
Jarhead504
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The Winchester 1895 in .405 Winchester was what Teddy Roosevelt referred to as his "Big Medicine" during his adventures out West.
My Hornady reloading book states the .30-40 Krag was "close to" {performance} of the .308 Winchester.
Jarhead
My Hornady reloading book states the .30-40 Krag was "close to" {performance} of the .308 Winchester.
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Venom6
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Ah, the history. Thanks for bringing up that connection, jarhead504. The stuff I've read said Teddy and his son Kermit shot the .405s (a pair of them) so much they "wore them out," though there was no detail on exactly what that was. And as a small, irritating point, while many quote him as referring to the .405 as "big medicine for lions," his book refers to the .405 '95 as the "medicine gun for lions." And yeah, the .30-40 is ballistically pretty close to the .308. And the .30-06s that the Roosevelts took to Africa were ballistic twins to it.
I have a Japanese made Winchester in .30-06 with the hand guard. I shoot 220 gr RN out of it and love it. I had an original take-down in .405, but I sold that one to help fund the new shop a few years back. I’d love to get one in .30-40 and a Russian, but not high on my list.
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Gazz
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I have one in 30-03 as well and it does have a headspace issue. A gunsmith friend has a headspace gauge that is adjustable using a micrometer head which will measure up to about .035" of headspace. We tried to measure the headspace in the rifle with it but it did not have enough range! From what I have read, the only difference in 30-06 and 30-03 is the 03 has a longer neck and both cartridges headspace on the shoulder which should be the same. When I shoot factory 06 in mine, the primers back out considerably. I solved the problem by fire forming 280 brass and adjusting an 06 die to keep the shoulder a bit further out. I don't mess with it much anymore as I can't see the sights so well. I would think that a receiver stretched that much would have visual indications of stretching but I can't see any and the bolt appears to close up tightly when in battery. Setting the barrel back would be a real pain. A previous owner did some stock whittling on it so not much of a collector piece either but it is an interesting JMB designed action.
Looking at a Japanese made one on GB but that 30-03 one sounds pretty interesting!
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I have a Japan made Teddy Roosevelt in .405 ..the really nice showy one,in my care currently. I either have to sell it,or buy it myself. Estate thing. The pisser is: its so dang nice,the finish,the stock,the inlay...you can't shoot the damned thing,unless you want its value to decline. I hold it with a cotton cloth,so no finger prints or oil. Still in its original box. I saw a nice original old 1895 at the last gunshow in 30-40 krag,which really would be quite a sweet deer gun around here.Had the cool pantina of being carried and hunted with for a billion seasons.
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Most of the originals in 30-06 that I encountered over the years were pretty loose. I always "felt" based on the ones I encountered that maybe the 30-06 cartridge was a little to much for the action? Again I don't know that to be so, just my feeling based on seeing so many. It could very well be they were all just used real hard.