Anesthetic

[larphred]

Cold is a rather good local anesthetic. And probably safer than most (unless you get frostbite). You can buy those crack open vial cold packs that will cool down a small area for a stitch or two.

 

[Junkguy]

Ansthesia

Native Americans often used Green Willow bark for mild pain control (head aches, mild tooth ach ect ) it contains a close cousin of asprin.
Put a small piece between cheek and gum and suck on it for 20-30 min.
don't use on patients with bleeding disorders or hepatic dysfunction. Use cautiously in situations where the patient may be in combat with in 36 hours after administration as NSAIDS will prolong bleeding time.
- Junkguy

 

[Junkguy]

More thoughts on Anesthesia

In some climates ice will make a servicable local anesthetic. Pack the area until the skin is numb. clean and prep the best you can and go to work.
-Junkguy

 

[H. Nipps]

Don't ask me how I know this. A "friend" told me that you can buy "delay gel" at any drug store or in some adult catalogs. It's topical 2% lidocaine used to desensitize the male organ to prevent premature ejaculation.

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[ar15junkie]

I went to the ER for a thumb I cut open. It was a real gusher, would spurt an arc of blood each time my heart would beat that was about 3ft tall. I digress, the er doc had some kinda capsule that was soft plastic with some glass or hard plastic capsules inside of it. He crushed the inner plastic vials which I guess mixed up the glue like a 2 part epoxy, then he just squeezed the mixture out into the cut. He waited a bit and taped the whole mess up, then splinted it for me.

I didn't feel any pain from the patch job. I think this maybe the way to go instead of sutures. Does anyone know the name of this glue? Is it available to us non Dr. types?


Edit: I think the stuff was called Dermabond

 

[rgramjet]

"eliminating or reducing pain during procedures such as suturing"

The above is what I am trying to achieve. I have built up a good medical kit, but its the "local anesthetic" for the above proceedures that I am trying to obtain.
This is only for use when no hospitals are available.
I am thinking that maybe some strong "drink" is safer than guessing. I had hoped for some kind of externally applied ..maybe sprayed..magic pain block.....

First post!

Cabelas has a "stapling kit" that I saw today in their "Survival" section. $24.95 with 15 fine staples to close up a wound. Think Id rather staple than suture...

 

[ackks]

Years ago when I had my wisdom teeth out the nurse hit my arm with some kind of freeze spray so I wouldn't feel the IV going in (worked great). Does anyone know what that was? I'm buying the kit from staple kit from Cabelas, so I'd love to throw that in my bag with it.

 

[spatin]

On that subject of suturing, I did a lot of stitching up people when I was a corpsman in the Navy. That was almost 40 yrs ago so I guess I'm a little out of practice and I'm sure the protocol and equipment has changed a bit. I wish I could get some (inexpensive) training to get up to date. Some lacerations just don't justify a zillion dollar ER bill. Of course, some do. The important thing is knowing the difference. Oh, btw SIG, ice does work pretty well for a temp topical.
Sidney

I have sutured a cut before, took three stiches. The reason I sutured it was that it was pretty deep. My topical anesthetic was ice. Might not be available in a SHTF scenerio, but I had it and made it work.

Now, why did I suture instead of go to ER or armed1?? I wanted the experience os stiching up a real wound, and I was the only volunteer!!

I had the site checked later by an ER Doc I knew, he suggested I add another overhand knot to my routine and called it a pretty damn good job! It healed great, and the Doc donated some extra suture kits to my stash!!

I could tell you some storys of very a lightly trained "Doc" having to perform emergency procedures in some bad conditions during the Bosnian war, but we will save them for another time.

 

[spatin]

Where does Cabelas have a stapling kit?
It's probably not very sterile, or may be it is, but sure is better than nothing out in the field or in a shtf situation.

First post!

Cabelas has a "stapling kit" that I saw today in their "Survival" section. $24.95 with 15 fine staples to close up a wound. Think Id rather staple than suture...

 

[spatin]

I saw this link below while browsing the web after reading the post from piperpilot1 (above). There is some interesting information there about pure, well almost pure, lidocaine hcl powder. Can this be used for a topical anesthetic? How much would it have to be diluted and with water or what?
This would be to make a temp anesthetic to deaden an area for sutures or some other procedure when medical help is not available.

Lidocaine powder, Lidocaine HCl, 99.9% Pure Lidocaine powder
Lidocaine powder or any other products furnished by LidoKing are not to be used ... You must be at least 21 years of age to purchase Lidocaine HCl powder. ...
www.lidocainepowder.com/index.html

I also saw it here, they also sell suture kits and staple kits.

http://www.shop.midcoastal-environmental.com/main.sc

Sidney

 

[lowr8]

spatin,

that second link on your last post looks like one of the best suppliers for medical survival gear that i have seen in a while.

nice link.

 

[spatin]

Well the thanks goes to piperpilot1, who posted above in this thread and provided that link. It is a nice link and I plan to order some stuff from them.
Sidney

 

[ackks]

Here is the link to the Cabela's body staple kit

http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/t.../search-box.jsp.form23&_dyncharset=ISO-8859-1

 

[spatin]

So does anyone have an answer for me - see my post in #60 above

Sidney

 

[W.E.G.]

So does anyone have an answer for me - see my post in #60 above

Sidney

Da-yum Sidney, you're kinda old to be having PE problems aint ya?

http://100gramslidocainepowder.blogspot.com/

 

[spatin]

Da-yum Sidney, you're kinda old to be having PE problems aint ya?

http://100gramslidocainepowder.blogspot.com/

Too young for PE problems WEG.

Interesting blogspot, but I am looking for some information on what to do with the lidocaine powder for various uses. For instance, if we were out in the boonies and no medical care available for days, and someone needed stitching, what to do with the lidocaine powder to use as an anesthetic? I assume mix with sterile water if that's available, but how much?

Sidney

 

[ALL FAL]

Start with a tiny pinch sprinkled directly into the smaller wound and work your way to "numb" with as many pinches as it takes, wait a few minutes between sprinkles.

 

[lowr8]

remember, if you are using a numbing agent with your fingers that you do not want to try stitching if your finger tips are numb. be sure to consider rubber gloves when mixing these types of materials.

spat... you asked what to mix it with.
try something like this...
http://www.shop.midcoastal-environmental.com/product.sc?categoryId=1&productId=52

 

[lowr8]

that link died but was very useful. anyone know of another link?

 

[spatin]

The link does not work.

Maybe a problem with the link description?

Sidney

remember, if you are using a numbing agent with your fingers that you do not want to try stitching if your finger tips are numb. be sure to consider rubber gloves when mixing these types of materials.

spat... you asked what to mix it with.
try something like this...
http://www.shop.midcoastal-environmental.com/product.sc?categoryId=1&productId=52

 

[deerollman]

that link died but was very useful. anyone know of another link?

big +1.

 

[saltshaker]

Super glue...........and butterflys........

 

[45x4]

I hope you all realize I am saying this "tounge in cheek" but I dont think I have ever see so many squimish men on one message board.

You have to understand, the original question is serious, and help may not be available.
I have horses, and if any of you guys do, too, you know the best ones always get hurt. Pay $50 for one, nothing ever happens. Pay $5000 for one, the next day its guts will be one the ground when you get home.

I have a great relationship with my vet, and have bought Lidocaine from him. His only comment was not to compete with him, i.e.; treat horses other than my own.

I injured my knee two years ago, and had to have it drained, as it swelled to twice its size. The Dr. gave me a local. then stuck a LARGE needle into the knee, and sucked the fluid off with it.
Since that time, I have drained it many times with no help, no local.

I believe, in more serious cases I would use the Lidocaine.
I could sitch myself, if the wound was where I could use my right hand.
If I needed to use my left hand, I would bleed out!!!! My whole life, all my left hand was good for was to scratch my butt.

I highly recommend each of you get EMT certified, or at least First Aid certified.
Buy a good field medical book, and get some good tools.

I promise, it will be worth it.





















treat horses other than my own.

 

[AlaskanMBR]

There's a store up here that sells survival/medical/tactical gear that has (among other things) Xylocaine 2% (Lido and epi mix). They have other cool and very hard to find items such as OC grenades and the like. Friggin' sweet store.

I'll be going to Medical Corps' "Medical Response in Hostile Environments" class next month - should be very good, check it out: http://www.medicalcorps.org/

ETA

I wrote a review for the class, find it here:

http://armsandequipment.com/medictraining.htm

 

[gates]

Staples are the way to go - MUCH easier to self administer - hurts a bit but no local needed done it a couple of times. That is if super glue isnt handy.