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Alec Baldwin and his story...

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More interesting facts from the search warrant served on the PDQ Arm & Prop Company...

On October21, 2021, a female identified as Sarah Zachery was also interviewed by Santa Fe County Detectives on the day of the incident, While watching the interview conducted with Sarah, Affiant learned Sarah was hired to be the “Prop Master” for the set of Rust. In Sarah’ interview she advised after the incident, she went to check the box of ammo on the props cart and compare it to the round she was handed which was the suspected live round from the fired gun. Sarah said when she was comparing it to other cartridges in the box, she found some of the cartridges would rattle, which signified them being “dummy rounds,” however, others did not rattle. Sarah said this lead her to believe some of the other rounds in that box were live ammo.

In the interview, Sarah advised the ammunition for Rust was provided from various sources, to include Seth Kenney, some Hannah brought from a previous production, and extra rounds from an individual identified as “Billy Ray.”

On October 22, 2021,a search warrant was executed for the church on Bonanza Creek Ranch where the incident occurred. Several items were collected, and during evidence i processing by Crime Scene Technician Marissa Poppell, it was learned there was additional ammunition collected of which some are suspected live ammunition. On October 27, 2021, a search warrant was executed for a prop truck at the Bonanza Creek Ranch. Seth Kenney was present during the search due to a gun safe in the truck needing a code to be unlocked. During the search, Affiant spoke to Seth about the various kinds of ammunition he provided to the set of Rust. Seth advised the ammo included dummy rounds and blanks. He said how the ammunition he provides to the productions are from a manufacture identified as Starline Brass.

On October 29, 2021, Affiant received a phone call from Seth, where he advised he may know where the live rounds came from. Seth described how a couple years back, he received “reloaded ammunition” from a friend. Seth described the ammunition stuck out to him due to the suspected live round to have a cartridge with the Starline Brass logo on it. Seth described the logo to be a star, an arch, and then another star. He described how the company only sells components of ammunition, and not live ammunition, therefore it had be a reloaded round.

In a secondary interview with Hannah, Affiant asked who supplied the ammunition and weapons to the set of Rust, to which she advised it was an individual identified as Seth Kenney. Affiant learned the firearms and ammunition were picked up either from Hannah or Sarah in Albuquerque, New Mexico, at PDQ Arm and Prop, LLC. The addresses listed for PDQ Arm & Prop, LLC, 126 Monroe Street, Albuquerque, New Mexico 87108 and there is a secondary address listed of 317 Commercial Street NE, Albuquerque, New Mexico 87102.

On Monday, November 15, 2021 Affiant received a statement from Thell Reed, father to Hannah, regarding some information on ammunition. On Wednesday, November 17, 2021, Affiant conducted a phone interview with Thell to obtain further information. In Thells statement, he advised in the August September timeframe, he worked on a set with Seth Kenney. Thell advised during the production, there was training provided to the actors for live fire with firearms, conducted on a firearms range. Thell said at this time, Seth requested he bring live ammunition in the event they ran out of what was supplied. Thell stated he did bring an “ammo can” with live ammunition from a friend, and this ammunition was not factory made rounds. He advised there was approximately 200-300 rounds in the can, and described the can to be green in color and looked like a military ammo can.

“Thell advised after the production ended, Seth took the ammo can and the remainder of the ammunition in the can back to New Mexico. He said the can still had 45 caliber colt ammunition in it, and after several attempts to get it back from Seth, Seth advised Thell to "write it off”. Thell states this ammunition may match the ammunition found on the set of Rust.

Source: https://www.documentcloud.org/docum...ation-search-warrant-pdq-arm-prop#document/p2
 

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From the story:
….extra rounds from an individual identified as “Billy Ray.”…..

That line right there just drips with all kinds of mystery, intrigue and, subterfuge.
 

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If you can tolerate his style of presentation,H.A. Goodman follows the timeline of this incident fairly well.
H. A. Goodman - YouTube
For me,anyways,it's tough watching him for very long,as he takes forever to make a point,and repeats things too many times.Its just his method.
 

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Not exactly news but underreported in my view, and needs to be not forgotten. At least two prior 'AD's reported on the set of 'Rust' leading up to the fatal shooting of Halny Hutchins. From the LA times.

 

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I'm 100 % positive Baldwin didnt intend to kill or hurt anyone. The rub is learn safety on your own before handling any weapon. I don't care who looked at that weapon, if he had been raised around and taught,. He would have looked himself and should have every time he handled a weapon. The same goes for his entire crew, before bad mouthing others with liberal rhetoric. Hard way to learn, and costly.
 

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The armorer's legal team is going on offense now bringing a claim against the supplier of what was supposed to be dummy ammo.

https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-59978682
" Armourer Hannah Gutierrez-Reed is seeking unspecified damages from Seth Kenney and PDQ Arm and Prop LLC...
Her claim states: "The ammunition was misrepresented as only dummy ammunition when it contained both dummy and live ammunition.
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".....[Gutierrez-Reed] remembers loading the gun with rounds labelled as dummy ammunition, and that she shook the box to create the jingling sound that the inert rounds should make "

This seems to suggest that Armorer Reed did put the rounds into the revolver, but to verify that she had dummy rounds, she first shook the -box- rather than each individual cartridge as they were installed into the cylinder.
 

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The armorer's legal team is going on offense now bringing a claim against the supplier of what was supposed to be dummy ammo.

https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-59978682
" Armourer Hannah Gutierrez-Reed is seeking unspecified damages from Seth Kenney and PDQ Arm and Prop LLC...
Her claim states: "The ammunition was misrepresented as only dummy ammunition when it contained both dummy and live ammunition.
"

".....[Gutierrez-Reed] remembers loading the gun with rounds labelled as dummy ammunition, and that she shook the box to create the jingling sound that the inert rounds should make "

This seems to suggest that Armorer Reed did put the rounds into the revolver, but to verify that she had dummy rounds, she first shook the -box- rather than each individual cartridge as they were installed into the cylinder.
Sounds like she really didn't know what she was doing if just 'shaking the rounds' is her excuse...

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Sounds like she really didn't know what she was doing if just 'shaking the rounds' is her excuse...

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Perhaps you've never seen it but apparently one the various accepted ways to construct dummy ammunition for cinematics is to build the cartridge with a loose ball bearing inside rather than powder.
If it has a convincing looking fake primer, the dummy will be visually indistinguishable from a real cartridge, however; it will rattle if you shake it where a proper cartridge won't.
The suggestion is that the box of dummies was contaminated with some live ammunition. Where/how that happened on the set, or during the live fire session that they had prior to the incident may be a challenge to demonstrate in court.
 

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Perhaps you've never seen it but apparently one the various accepted ways to construct dummy ammunition for cinematics is to build the cartridge with a loose ball bearing inside rather than powder.
If it has a convincing looking fake primer, the dummy will be visually indistinguishable from a real cartridge, however; it will rattle if you shake it where a proper cartridge won't.
The suggestion is that the box of dummies was contaminated with some live ammunition. Where/how that happened on the set, or during the live fire session that they had prior to the incident may be a challenge to demonstrate in court.
I didn't know that...

Thanks for the explanation.

I'm not sure that hearing some rattling in a box of them would tell you much, but maybe that's just me... :)

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Perhaps you've never seen it but apparently one the various accepted ways to construct dummy ammunition for cinematics is to build the cartridge with a loose ball bearing inside rather than powder.
If it has a convincing looking fake primer, the dummy will be visually indistinguishable from a real cartridge, however; it will rattle if you shake it where a proper cartridge won't.
The suggestion is that the box of dummies was contaminated with some live ammunition. Where/how that happened on the set, or during the live fire session that they had prior to the incident may be a challenge to demonstrate in court.
Honestly, that's nuts. A bare primer can dislodge a bullet causing a revolver to malfunction. Worse, it leaves a blocked barrel.
It may be an 'accepted' way but it's totally unacceptable in my view.
 

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Honestly, that's nuts. A bare primer can dislodge a bullet causing a revolver to malfunction. Worse, it leaves a blocked barrel.
It may be an 'accepted' way but it's totally unacceptable in my view.
If the place making the dummies puts a real primer in their product instead of an aluminum or brass slug in the primer pocket, that could be an issue.
 

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Gun cannot fire until the cylinder rotates to full battery, as in full cocked hammer.


An accident with multiple responsibLE parties, appearing legally..case will not be settled civilly for years until ins decides....

Criminal libility has to be determined...it will be an"'ACCIDENT" with several parties.......intent not there to kill or harm......like a gas grill blowingup and killing a neighbor........
 

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Yeah you can fire a saa letting the hammer drop before the half cock. Won't happen every time but it's possible to jump the safety notch. I got some worn the fuck out saa guns
 

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Hammer down on a loaded chamber--yeah............dollar bill was supposed to be under the hammer in the empty chamber.
 
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