seabass47 wrote: ↑
Sun Jul 19, 2020 2:02 am
nalioth wrote: ↑
Sun Jul 19, 2020 1:47 am
seabass47 wrote: ↑
Sun Jul 19, 2020 1:36 am
Not necessarily true. When God gave us Free Will, that's when that saying stopped being true.
People can intentionally choose to take the harder path because it does more good for those around them. People do it all the time including myself on a daily basis, multiple times a day.
Thus, I blame people for their decisions whether they use the excuse of "path of least resistance = greater chance of survival" or not.
. . . but you're overlooking cultural influence.
Once momma gets on the dole, she shows her children that it's "okay" to be that way.
Since the children see that an education isn't necessary for an income (they either steal or hold their hands out [and legs open] for the monthly check), education ceases to be a factor.
No, no, I did think about that - I get what you're saying though. In fact, I grew up around a lot of black folks and saw all of that first hand.
But then there are so many examples that throw at least partially throw a wrench in the theory that it all comes down to 'cultural influences/upbringing' and that's the fact that MANY good black folks make it out of those same situations and left all of that behind them. I don't know how to account for those people other than that sometimes Free Will and logic prevails over conditioning, or that's how I'm seeing it anyway.
That's why at the end of the day I still default back to people (of all races) being responsible for their actions regardless of upbringing. Not because it's applies perfectly to every situation all the time, but because long-term it's the most fool-proof and realistic way of this clusterfuck forward. I feel like if we concede to the idea that black folks are beyond any accountability themselves because of their upbringing just contributes to enabling this situation further.
But there can be no "good black folk" according to some here. No Sir, they are all utterly useless, stupid and uncivilized.
Your point that there are many who do make it out, who do well and are good people - proves that such statements are untrue. However that does not disprove the evidence that the DNC created this mess and that people, generationally are sucked into it. We look at social modeling and we dont have to look too far to see the how and why, that so many young blacks have walked a dark path, a violent, near feral path. Simply put we model that behavior that we see, are exposed to and learn from. The DNC created slums, created a jobless environment and created a reliance on federal handouts - it doesnt take much for that environment to start impacting the youth - who go right out - and live the life they know.
I get that some people want it to be a "black" thing, and perhaps to some degree it is - but I would submit that the evidence clearly points a finger at the DNC/Liberals who created a voter field to harvest in city after city, with no regard to anything else.
Saying that does not absolve blacks of accountability at all - one can grow up knowing wrong is wrong - and choose NOT to do wrong things. But there also lies a lot of blame with the left, they created the environment, allowed and promoted the poor behaviors and will cannot be absolved of their part.
So it goes.