Can We Have An Honest Conversation About Black Americans?

[Mandaree36]

Now for the wild card in this discussion...

On video, in many riots, many statute vandalizing events and in many attacks on LE....I see lots of white people there. Matter of fact in many instance the whites outnumber the blacks.

So what can a guy say about that?

And who is worse? The white leftist mobilizing/using these blacks? Or someone else?

Inquiring minds want to inquire, so long as observe all parts of the current problem.

I’ve said it before and i’ll say it again, the biggest domestic enemy and enemy PERIOD, foreign or domestic, that this country faces is the WHITE LIBERAL.

And you would be right, just as you have been every single time you have said it.

The Liberal has an agenda and has worked tirelessly to bring us to this point.

There is no longer room in America for liberals/socialists and their ilk.

[wormraper]

Now for the wild card in this discussion...

On video, in many riots, many statute vandalizing events and in many attacks on LE....I see lots of white people there. Matter of fact in many instance the whites outnumber the blacks.

So what can a guy say about that?

And who is worse? The white leftist mobilizing/using these blacks? Or someone else?

Inquiring minds want to inquire, so long as observe all parts of the current problem.

When you're I.Q. level is so low you don't realise your being used... what does it matter.

Looking back they were not that far behind, well behaved and wanted the American Dream.

But the DNC came along, and begin a program of pandering and control. They gave them enough to keep them poor, but on the public dole.

Than they told them single parent families were fine and that urban warehouse living was the way to go. They also took away jobs from urban areas by blighting industry with regulations.

Now they are outright telling them that violent behavior is not violent and anyone trying arrest them is a racist.

They have literally worked to de-civilize the modern black....for votes.

The DNC is at the root of this, right along with the liberal left.

agreed. the DNC CREATED this system. it was started with FDR and finalized with LBJ. His infamous statement of "I'll have these ***** voting democrat for the next 200 years" has come to fruition. All of the entitlement programs created it so that it was MORE beneficial to have single parent families, and that living segregated was a POSITIVE thing. it created a grimy thug culture who is raised by single parents.. back before LBJ black single family rates were at around 7%... AFTER that and over time they have raised to 80%... why? because of entitlements and the democrats feeding into the victim mentality for the last 60 years. It's a creation of their own design

[madmanmccoy]

SEE they are right after all ......"IT AW YTs Fawt"

[Jabes0623]

All of this blaming the DNC is simply more excuse making.

Black people have free will, exactly the same as you & I. They choose to live in poverty. They choose to be violent. They choose to put street cred above education. They choose to continue down the same path that has ravaged their communities for generations. They choose dope & purple drank over hard work, charity & fatherhood.

No one puts a gun to any black man or woman’s head & forces them to live the lifestyle so many of them choose to!

They intentionally drag the good in themselves down. Calling successful black people Uncle Toms. Beating up the kid in the neighborhood who gets straight A’s & actually works hard to educate & better himself. It’s disgusting.

And we, tax paying Americans, fund it! We are literally paying for our own demise.

I agree fully that the white liberals, the DNC (actually the entire .gov) & the media are enemies of America. Enemies of common sense, decency & liberty. But to blame them for the “plight” of black Americans is horribly misguided. The black communities “plight” is the result of the black communities choices nothing more, nothing less.

[moonbat60]

It happened because the democrats needed a new voter base, and as far as socialists go, anyone and everyone is good enough that believes in their lies to get them or keep them in power.

A lot of people are not smart enough or critical enough to see through those fairytales of a better society where everybody would be equal.

Man was not created equal. It is just a funny and unrealistic idea in the heads of some dreamers.

[seabass47]

All of this blaming the DNC is simply more excuse making.

Black people have free will, exactly the same as you & I. They choose to live in poverty. They choose to be violent. They choose to put street cred above education. They choose to continue down the same path that has ravaged their communities for generations. They choose dope & purple drank over hard work, charity & fatherhood.

No one puts a gun to any black man or woman’s head & forces them to live the lifestyle so many of them choose to!

They intentionally drag the good in themselves down. Calling successful black people Uncle Toms. Beating up the kid in the neighborhood who gets straight A’s & actually works hard to educate & better himself. It’s disgusting.

And we, tax paying Americans, fund it! We are literally paying for our own demise.

I agree fully that the white liberals, the DNC (actually the entire .gov) & the media are enemies of America. Enemies of common sense, decency & liberty. But to blame them for the “plight” of black Americans is horribly misguided. The black communities “plight” is the result of the black communities choices nothing more, nothing less.

Couldn't agree more.

[nalioth]

All of this blaming the DNC is simply more excuse making.

Black people have free will, exactly the same as you & I. They choose to live in poverty. They choose to be violent. They choose to put street cred above education. They choose to continue down the same path that has ravaged their communities for generations. They choose dope & purple drank over hard work, charity & fatherhood.

No one puts a gun to any black man or woman’s head & forces them to live the lifestyle so many of them choose to!

They intentionally drag the good in themselves down. Calling successful black people Uncle Toms. Beating up the kid in the neighborhood who gets straight A’s & actually works hard to educate & better himself. It’s disgusting.

And we, tax paying Americans, fund it! We are literally paying for our own demise.

I agree fully that the white liberals, the DNC (actually the entire .gov) & the media are enemies of America. Enemies of common sense, decency & liberty. But to blame them for the “plight” of black Americans is horribly misguided. The black communities “plight” is the result of the black communities choices nothing more, nothing less.

"Excuse making"? I think you're not seeing the full picture.










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[seabass47]

One major problem we're dealing with is that there are some well-intentioned but highly retarded white people on the right who are one George Floyd away from folding and throwing up the white flag of defeat and taking a knee against logic and reality.

On the other hand on the left we have extremely wealthy, extremely powerful, and extremely intelligent entities running the show who also happen to own most of the media companies and social media apps that 99% of the violent, angry-mob get their "marching orders" from.

Again, I don't think my fellow white brothers who are on the fence regrading this issue are bad folks, but just understand when you act all nonchalant about the obvious and try to deflect from the facts that boots-on-the-ground video footage and testimony prove, I don't know what else you could be provided with to make you believe what has, unfortunately, become brutally clear, and that's that regardless of who - black people in America have become/allowed themselves to become weaponized against basically everything I stand for, and my bar is pretty low...as in just be a good fucking person, take care of your own, and don't fuck my shit up.

[seabass47]

All of this blaming the DNC is simply more excuse making.

Black people have free will, exactly the same as you & I. They choose to live in poverty. They choose to be violent. They choose to put street cred above education. They choose to continue down the same path that has ravaged their communities for generations. They choose dope & purple drank over hard work, charity & fatherhood.

No one puts a gun to any black man or woman’s head & forces them to live the lifestyle so many of them choose to!

They intentionally drag the good in themselves down. Calling successful black people Uncle Toms. Beating up the kid in the neighborhood who gets straight A’s & actually works hard to educate & better himself. It’s disgusting.

And we, tax paying Americans, fund it! We are literally paying for our own demise.

I agree fully that the white liberals, the DNC (actually the entire .gov) & the media are enemies of America. Enemies of common sense, decency & liberty. But to blame them for the “plight” of black Americans is horribly misguided. The black communities “plight” is the result of the black communities choices nothing more, nothing less.

"Excuse making"? I think you're not seeing the full picture.










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Let's not be all obtuse, what exactly is, in your own words/perception, "The Bigger Picture?"

I'm not being snarky, but I think we need to define what the parameters are that we're working with here. I have some ideas what you mean just based on some of the comments you've already made and all I can say is we've tried that way for way too fucking long now man.

That kumbayah moment where all common man of all races and religions come together against the TPTB to fight against their divide and conquer tactics just isn't going to happen.

[nalioth]

All of this blaming the DNC is simply more excuse making.

Black people have free will, exactly the same as you & I. They choose to live in poverty. They choose to be violent. They choose to put street cred above education. They choose to continue down the same path that has ravaged their communities for generations. They choose dope & purple drank over hard work, charity & fatherhood.

No one puts a gun to any black man or woman’s head & forces them to live the lifestyle so many of them choose to!

They intentionally drag the good in themselves down. Calling successful black people Uncle Toms. Beating up the kid in the neighborhood who gets straight A’s & actually works hard to educate & better himself. It’s disgusting.

And we, tax paying Americans, fund it! We are literally paying for our own demise.

I agree fully that the white liberals, the DNC (actually the entire .gov) & the media are enemies of America. Enemies of common sense, decency & liberty. But to blame them for the “plight” of black Americans is horribly misguided. The black communities “plight” is the result of the black communities choices nothing more, nothing less.

"Excuse making"? I think you're not seeing the full picture.










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Let's not be all obtuse, what exactly is, in your own words/perception, "The Bigger Picture?"

I'm not being snarky, but I think we need to define what the parameters are that we're working with here. I have some ideas what you mean just based on some of the comments you've already made and all I can say is we've tried that way for way too fucking long now man.

That kumbayah moment where all common man of all races and religions come together against the TPTB to fight against their divide and conquer tactics just isn't going to happen.

Do I need to post the image again?

Given a choice, any organism will take the easier path.

[seabass47]

"Excuse making"? I think you're not seeing the full picture.










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Let's not be all obtuse, what exactly is, in your own words/perception, "The Bigger Picture?"

I'm not being snarky, but I think we need to define what the parameters are that we're working with here. I have some ideas what you mean just based on some of the comments you've already made and all I can say is we've tried that way for way too fucking long now man.

That kumbayah moment where all common man of all races and religions come together against the TPTB to fight against their divide and conquer tactics just isn't going to happen.

Do I need to post the image again?

Given a choice, any organism will take the easier path.

Not necessarily true. When God gave us Free Will, that's when that saying stopped being true.

People can intentionally choose to take the harder path because it does more good for those around them. People do it all the time including myself on a daily basis, multiple times a day.

Thus, I blame people for their decisions whether they use the excuse of "path of least resistance = greater chance of survival" or not.

[nalioth]

Let's not be all obtuse, what exactly is, in your own words/perception, "The Bigger Picture?"

I'm not being snarky, but I think we need to define what the parameters are that we're working with here. I have some ideas what you mean just based on some of the comments you've already made and all I can say is we've tried that way for way too fucking long now man.

That kumbayah moment where all common man of all races and religions come together against the TPTB to fight against their divide and conquer tactics just isn't going to happen.

Do I need to post the image again?

Given a choice, any organism will take the easier path.

Not necessarily true. When God gave us Free Will, that's when that saying stopped being true.

People can intentionally choose to take the harder path because it does more good for those around them. People do it all the time including myself on a daily basis, multiple times a day.

Thus, I blame people for their decisions whether they use the excuse of "path of least resistance = greater chance of survival" or not.

. . . but you're overlooking cultural influence.

Once momma gets on the dole, she shows her children that it's "okay" to be that way.

Since the children see that an education isn't necessary for an income (they either steal or hold their hands out [and legs open] for the monthly check), education ceases to be a factor.

[seabass47]

Do I need to post the image again?

Given a choice, any organism will take the easier path.

Not necessarily true. When God gave us Free Will, that's when that saying stopped being true.

People can intentionally choose to take the harder path because it does more good for those around them. People do it all the time including myself on a daily basis, multiple times a day.

Thus, I blame people for their decisions whether they use the excuse of "path of least resistance = greater chance of survival" or not.

. . . but you're overlooking cultural influence.

Once momma gets on the dole, she shows her children that it's "okay" to be that way.

Since the children see that an education isn't necessary for an income (they either steal or hold their hands out [and legs open] for the monthly check), education ceases to be a factor.

No, no, I did think about that - I get what you're saying though. In fact, I grew up around a lot of black folks and saw all of that first hand.

But then there are so many examples that throw at least partially throw a wrench in the theory that it all comes down to 'cultural influences/upbringing' and that's the fact that MANY good black folks make it out of those same situations and left all of that behind them. I don't know how to account for those people other than that sometimes Free Will and logic prevails over conditioning, or that's how I'm seeing it anyway.

That's why at the end of the day I still default back to people (of all races) being responsible for their actions regardless of upbringing. Not because it's applies perfectly to every situation all the time, but because long-term it's the most fool-proof and realistic way of this clusterfuck forward. I feel like if we concede to the idea that black folks are beyond any accountability themselves because of their upbringing just contributes to enabling this situation further.

[Mandaree36]

Not necessarily true. When God gave us Free Will, that's when that saying stopped being true.

People can intentionally choose to take the harder path because it does more good for those around them. People do it all the time including myself on a daily basis, multiple times a day.

Thus, I blame people for their decisions whether they use the excuse of "path of least resistance = greater chance of survival" or not.

. . . but you're overlooking cultural influence.

Once momma gets on the dole, she shows her children that it's "okay" to be that way.

Since the children see that an education isn't necessary for an income (they either steal or hold their hands out [and legs open] for the monthly check), education ceases to be a factor.

No, no, I did think about that - I get what you're saying though. In fact, I grew up around a lot of black folks and saw all of that first hand.

But then there are so many examples that throw at least partially throw a wrench in the theory that it all comes down to 'cultural influences/upbringing' and that's the fact that MANY good black folks make it out of those same situations and left all of that behind them. I don't know how to account for those people other than that sometimes Free Will and logic prevails over conditioning, or that's how I'm seeing it anyway.

That's why at the end of the day I still default back to people (of all races) being responsible for their actions regardless of upbringing. Not because it's applies perfectly to every situation all the time, but because long-term it's the most fool-proof and realistic way of this clusterfuck forward. I feel like if we concede to the idea that black folks are beyond any accountability themselves because of their upbringing just contributes to enabling this situation further.

But there can be no "good black folk" according to some here. No Sir, they are all utterly useless, stupid and uncivilized.

Your point that there are many who do make it out, who do well and are good people - proves that such statements are untrue. However that does not disprove the evidence that the DNC created this mess and that people, generationally are sucked into it. We look at social modeling and we dont have to look too far to see the how and why, that so many young blacks have walked a dark path, a violent, near feral path. Simply put we model that behavior that we see, are exposed to and learn from. The DNC created slums, created a jobless environment and created a reliance on federal handouts - it doesnt take much for that environment to start impacting the youth - who go right out - and live the life they know.

I get that some people want it to be a "black" thing, and perhaps to some degree it is - but I would submit that the evidence clearly points a finger at the DNC/Liberals who created a voter field to harvest in city after city, with no regard to anything else.

Saying that does not absolve blacks of accountability at all - one can grow up knowing wrong is wrong - and choose NOT to do wrong things. But there also lies a lot of blame with the left, they created the environment, allowed and promoted the poor behaviors and will cannot be absolved of their part.

So it goes.

[oldsalt]

Don’t blame the DNC for this worthless barbarian’s unprovoked assault on a random 92 year old victim.

https://youtu.be/AgutNQcc6Tk

[nalioth]

Don’t blame the DNC for this worthless barbarian’s unprovoked assault on a random 92 year old victim.

https://youtu.be/AgutNQcc6Tk

Did you miss the previous few posts?

[Jabes0623]

"Excuse making"? I think you're not seeing the full picture.










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Let's not be all obtuse, what exactly is, in your own words/perception, "The Bigger Picture?"

I'm not being snarky, but I think we need to define what the parameters are that we're working with here. I have some ideas what you mean just based on some of the comments you've already made and all I can say is we've tried that way for way too fucking long now man.

That kumbayah moment where all common man of all races and religions come together against the TPTB to fight against their divide and conquer tactics just isn't going to happen.

Do I need to post the image again?

Given a choice, any organism will take the easier path.

If that were actually true we’d all still be living in mud huts, shitting in the same river we drank out of & visiting the witch doctor.

[nalioth]

Let's not be all obtuse, what exactly is, in your own words/perception, "The Bigger Picture?"

I'm not being snarky, but I think we need to define what the parameters are that we're working with here. I have some ideas what you mean just based on some of the comments you've already made and all I can say is we've tried that way for way too fucking long now man.

That kumbayah moment where all common man of all races and religions come together against the TPTB to fight against their divide and conquer tactics just isn't going to happen.

Do I need to post the image again?

Given a choice, any organism will take the easier path.

If that were actually true we’d all still be living in mud huts, shitting in the same river we drank out of & visiting the witch doctor.

There are always the mutants (those that deviate from the norm).

The ones that curiosity drove to find out what was on the other side of the road, etc.


Those mutants evolved into our society (and the Dems want to regress folks for their own benefit)

[Jabes0623]

After 5 pages a pretty clear picture has been painted, we mostly agree (we’re never all going to agree) that America’s blacks are a serious problem & a threat to our way of life. There’s some disagreement on why/how they’ve fallen so far in our society, but no debate that on the whole they have fallen. We seem to agree that they have as much, if not more, disdain for us than we do for them. So...

Is there a solution? Totally outlandish; Black Israel; A black super majority nation propped up by the West for the foreseeable future. Mostly outlandish; Ending EBT & .gov programs that encourage laziness & the destruction of the family. Realistically; Whites with similar values pick a few states & move to them in large numbers to ensure a majority & states that remain run how we see fit. With some type of structure in place that guarantees when someone dies or sells their property will only go to another like minded individual.

As I see it, as whites creep ever closer to being the minority in this nation this problem is only going to accelerate. A solution, a viable one is going to have to be found or our way of life is doomed. Our children & grandchildren will grow up & live in a very hostile & dangerous nation. While at the same time vast amounts of white wealth will be stolen via taxation (with little to no representation), reparations & outright confiscation, either at the the hands of the .gov or the mob

[nalioth]

After 5 pages a pretty clear picture has been painted, we mostly agree (we’re never all going to agree) that America’s blacks are a serious problem & a threat to our way of life.

*SIGH*

"America's blacks" are not all out being criminals.

From the back of the napkin . .

There are about 35,479,000 million black folks in the USA (by census)

According to the stats, 2,306 per 100,000 of those are imprisoned, which makes about 819,000 blacks in prison.



So tell us again, how does 3% of the black population become "America's blacks"?

[boutcha]

Check out this Black Patriot destroy the Deblazio's BLM banner in front of Trump Center.

This black women is a hero and so is the channel owner,
They know what's up.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFkJDwASf4s

[catinthefurnace]

After 5 pages a pretty clear picture has been painted, we mostly agree (we’re never all going to agree) that America’s blacks are a serious problem & a threat to our way of life.

*SIGH*

"America's blacks" are not all out being criminals.

From the back of the napkin . .

There are about 35,479,000 million black folks in the USA (by census)

According to the stats, 2,306 per 100,000 of those are imprisoned, which makes about 819,000 blacks in prison.



So tell us again, how does 3% of the black population become "America's blacks"?

Sigh indeed. I'm not sure though that this basic sanity-check using rudimentary math will penetrate the skulls of some in this thread. Which is highly unfortunate. Their psychological need to feel superior to blacks by default is likely too powerful for them to overcome. Their deficit of personal pride may be too great to allow them to think objectively. If only they could see what a colossal waste of human energy their type of thinking is.

Thank you for trying to introduce perspective/context to the numbers even if it will likely go over the heads of the people who need to hear it most.

[MIG*7.62]

Who the fuck said only the percentage "in prison" is the problem???? 95% of them and their thug culture is the problem.
Just cause some haven't been imprisoned or been released has no bearing

[caertaker]

After 5 pages a pretty clear picture has been painted, we mostly agree (we’re never all going to agree) that America’s blacks are a serious problem & a threat to our way of life. There’s some disagreement on why/how they’ve fallen so far in our society, but no debate that on the whole they have fallen. We seem to agree that they have as much, if not more, disdain for us than we do for them. So...

Is there a solution? Totally outlandish; Black Israel; A black super majority nation propped up by the West for the foreseeable future. Mostly outlandish; Ending EBT & .gov programs that encourage laziness & the destruction of the family. Realistically; Whites with similar values pick a few states & move to them in large numbers to ensure a majority & states that remain run how we see fit. With some type of structure in place that guarantees when someone dies or sells their property will only go to another like minded individual.

As I see it, as whites creep ever closer to being the minority in this nation this problem is only going to accelerate. A solution, a viable one is going to have to be found or our way of life is doomed. Our children & grandchildren will grow up & live in a very hostile & dangerous nation. While at the same time vast amounts of white wealth will be stolen via taxation (with little to no representation), reparations & outright confiscation, either at the the hands of the .gov or the mob

To me framing the problem is rather important since I believe the solution is irrevocable. America's blacks are a symptom of the disease of modern liberalism/Marxism/Godlessness/etc... You could terminate every one based on skin color and the problem would still exist. Attack the disease not the symptoms.

[swohfal]

Who the fuck said only the percentage "in prison" is the problem???? 95% of them and their thug culture is the problem.
Just cause some haven't been imprisoned or been released has no bearing

Exactly, only a few muslims commit terrorist acts, but something like 80% or more express support for those that do to some extent. Not all black crime is violent, as much of it is petty theft and shoplifting and these people almost never go to prison, but their lack of respect for authority and the law is contagious to the rest and emboldens and shapes the absolute worst among them. Many other seem to assume that no black man can be at fault, even if they have no criminal background themselves, and also abet the criminal elements.