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Old November 28, 2014, 20:21   #1
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for the love o mike, new army camo

http://soldiersystems.net/2014/11/19...cp-transition/

the ocp is here. will the army ever pull their head outta their ass?
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Old November 28, 2014, 21:05   #2
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the ocp is here. will the army ever pull their head outta their ass?******** ***************** ***************************************** width="1" height="1">
Again? Really, again??
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Old November 28, 2014, 21:15   #3
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It is basically just a tweaked multicam, should work well for them vs the old grey crap.
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Old November 28, 2014, 21:17   #4
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It's very effective I never would have recognized Brad Pitts.
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Old November 28, 2014, 21:33   #5
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They need to go back to green olive drab, all cotton fatigues and leave the camo bulshit to the spec-op ninjas. This goes for the jarheads too. The dorks in the background and in states farting around bases and/or maybe even fixing junk like trucks, tanks and helicopters do not need to be running around in look-at-me-I'm-more-threatening-and-lethal-than-you camos.

After 100 washings and wearings, my all-cotten, USGI issued coveralls were as smooth as silk and as comfortable as anything I ever worn. When I got out, I still wore my fatigues and coveralls for years until they became too thread-bare. When the knees went out of them, I cut them into shorts. I even had some of my boots re-soled until the leather at the toes split too badly and had to be trashed. The same for my issued dress shoes. I wore them from 1973 - 1995. I hated to let them to go and I could never find an American made replacement for them.

Any recommendations for them?
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Old November 28, 2014, 22:35   #6
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Cotton might be comfy,but has little resistence to fire,and doesn't dry out very quickly. I have navigated away from cotton,particularly in socks and underwear. I much prefer the synthetics or blends.
I don't disagree with the olive drab part,though. Its a good all purpose color for most any climate.
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Old November 28, 2014, 23:16   #7
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We just got in some new prototype explosive shoulder pouches in this stuff.
Didnt really strike me as anything special, as TOWS220 said, it basically looks just like multicam.
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Old November 29, 2014, 00:25   #8
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What was wrong with that ATACS style camo, a green and a brown style available...

When possible I am asking 101abn to make me a chest rig in the green ATACS.... seems like it may blend better than multicam....

OH side note, go watch return of the jedi, still impressed with those camoed ponchos the rebels were wearing,, they seemed to blend great in the forest....
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Old November 29, 2014, 03:35   #9
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What was wrong with that ATACS style camo, a green and a brown style available...
Probably required too much royalty.
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OH side note, go watch return of the jedi, still impressed with those camoed ponchos the rebels were wearing,, they seemed to blend great in the forest....


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I know I enlisted in the Canuck Army and I don't know shit, but we had pretty much the same OD cotton combat stuff you guys did. One thing it did was make you fuggin invisible to the naked eye at night.


Then they went to that stupid CADPAT crap that they paid some deep thinker millions to dream up, and it's worse than the old shit.

The old combat uniform blended into everything at night, and pretty much everything except tan sand in the day. But the CADPAT crap is green too, and they had to scramble for desert stuff for Afghanistan. Seeing Air Force pukes walking around on Base all decked out in the latest badass camo looked stupid, especially when they had their hands jammed into their "Air Force Gloves" :-)

Like you guys, I kept pretty much all my old stuff except what I had to turn in when I got out (The Canucks are odd about that), and I wore my combat boots and garrison boots for years. I wore my combats for years as well, but they eventually went all threadbare and I turfed them all.

Al, I have left is my web gear, some wore out boots, my field cap that don't fit, and my old beret.

Stupid thinkers should stay out of Army decision making. OD green works just fine, IMHO.
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Old November 29, 2014, 12:15   #12
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well, here is an expert on camo. looks like the marines copied the canucks, the navy has the best cammie & the army still has their head up their a$$.

http://www.hyperstealth.com/camo-improvement/
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Old November 29, 2014, 12:48   #13
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I'm still trying to figure out what was so bad about BDUs. ACUs are a PITA for us mechanics.
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Old November 29, 2014, 13:04   #14
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Looks to me like they just re-discovered the pre-Vietnam "woodland camo" pattern.

I think I still have some of that stuff.

I might just run around "commando" today though.
It's really cold, so that should ensure adequate camouflage in the available "cover."
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I know I enlisted in the Canuck Army and I don't know shit, but we had pretty much the same OD cotton combat stuff you guys did. One thing it did was make you fuggin invisible to the naked eye at night.


Then they went to that stupid CADPAT crap that they paid some deep thinker millions to dream up, and it's worse than the old shit.

The old combat uniform blended into everything at night, and pretty much everything except tan sand in the day. But the CADPAT crap is green too, and they had to scramble for desert stuff for Afghanistan. Seeing Air Force pukes walking around on Base all decked out in the latest badass camo looked stupid, especially when they had their hands jammed into their "Air Force Gloves" :-)

Like you guys, I kept pretty much all my old stuff except what I had to turn in when I got out (The Canucks are odd about that), and I wore my combat boots and garrison boots for years. I wore my combats for years as well, but they eventually went all threadbare and I turfed them all.

Al, I have left is my web gear, some wore out boots, my field cap that don't fit, and my old beret.

Stupid thinkers should stay out of Army decision making. OD green works just fine, IMHO.
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do they get a new camo every change of command?
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Vilseck, Germany, sometime in 1979.

Yep. Same shit I was wearing at Ft. Hood in 79.
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Old November 29, 2014, 18:36   #18
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I did not like those ball caps though. I thought the Woodland BDU cap was much better.
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Marine Raiders in WWII got "jungle leaf green" with "all blown to hell tan leaf" on the reverse side Raiders were dressed for all ocasions at minmal expence,,, we used those utilities up during Korea and apparanty the basic idea lost favor as being too uncomplicated.

Some thought should be given to utilizing clothing worn by the native people like the Special Ops people do now

If I deployed today I'd wear a Berka over my optional skivies,,, nobody shoots smelly old goat milkers with .50cal MG's and flankers,,, the smell comes with the territory after the first week anyway after the officers adapt all the goats for girlfriends.
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I much prefer the synthetics or blends.
Under some applications synthetics are not good to wear because they tend to melt when exposed to enough heat and stick to skin.

That is why FD personnel do not wear them. They stick to cotton shirts and wool trousers if I recall correctly.
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Teh German SS had these reversible camo smocks towards the end of WWII. I think their paratroopers also had long smocks that were camo.

The US military probably does not like baggy clothes, but I think it helps to break up your shape.

However, it might be best to avoid looking like the Third Reich, whatever the circumstances.

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Yep. Same shit I was wearing at Ft. Hood in 79.
When were you AT Fort Hoodlum?
I might have left on the plane you arrived on.
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Teh German SS had these reversible camo smocks towards the end of WWII. I think their paratroopers also had long smocks that were camo.

The US military probably does not like baggy clothes, but I think it helps to break up your shape.

However, it might be best to avoid looking like the Third Reich, whatever the circumstances.
Maybe so BUT you have to admit ,their uniforms were very sharp in the Teutonic way of doing things.....

OT but I still have a hard time understanding the hob nailed boots.... holy shit some of those look like the nails were used to help grip in some terrain bUT you slip like on sheet ice in others....
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OT but I still have a hard time understanding the hob nailed boots.... holy shit some of those look like the nails were used to help grip in some terrain bUT you slip like on sheet ice in others....
I did a little research and apparently the hobnails are for durability. If you are marching a lot everywhere or advancing and trying to move fast, worn out boots are a problem that will slow everything down.

I am guessing that was also a problem for the Roman Legion or any army that went on foot. I think Lee's army was always looking for shoes.
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the ocp is here. will the army ever pull their head outta their ass?
I thought for a minute that they were looking for something suitable for pacifying Detroit.

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Hobnails were a wearing surface to lengthen the life of leather soled boots. Americans in WWII had mostly rubber wearing soles and heels. The Germans were cut off from the rubber tree plantations. Ergo, hobnails and heel plates.

The barracks I lived in for two years in Ansbach, GE had stone stairwells that were deeply dished out from our Teutonic predecessors' hobnailed boots.

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Maybe so BUT you have to admit ,their uniforms were very sharp in the Teutonic way of doing things.....

OT but I still have a hard time understanding the hob nailed boots.... holy shit some of those look like the nails were used to help grip in some terrain bUT you slip like on sheet ice in others....
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Under some applications synthetics are not good to wear because they tend to melt when exposed to enough heat and stick to skin.

That is why FD personnel do not wear them. They stick to cotton shirts and wool trousers if I recall correctly.
I know,and agree. Wool has excellent fire resistive properties,much more than cotton,which is an excellent tinder. Leather is also not so great around fire..tends to shrinkwrap...
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I think the best pattern out there right now is the Russian which is a copy of the SS camo.
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tiger. stripes. way cool.

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When were you AT Fort Hoodlum?
I might have left on the plane you arrived on.
Got there around Thanksgiving '78. Left 35 months later.
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Ain't gonna argue a bit.
Vilseck, Germany, sometime in 1979.

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I was in Vilseck going to "Small arms repair for unit armorers" course in 1989. While there the Berlin Wall was opened and East Germans started streaming across the border into West Germany.

Interesting times.
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Teh German SS had these reversible camo smocks towards the end of WWII. I think their paratroopers also had long smocks that were camo.

The US military probably does not like baggy clothes, but I think it helps to break up your shape.

However, it might be best to avoid looking like the Third Reich, whatever the circumstances.
No the Germans had camo at the beginning of the war not the end and not even mid-war, they had it at the beginning. The Germans were the first to issue a standard camo uniform. The Waffen SS were the first to receive camo smocks and helmet covers. Then the Army and Luftwaffe issued their own camo patterns. U.S. Woodland was based on a WWII German camo and the A-TACS is a WWII German copy as well.
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Kinda reminds me of Flecktarn. Not really sure why new camo is necessary though.
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