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Old June 16, 2018, 14:04   #1
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Wink My original FN Herstal Belgian Army Minimi. Not m249

Hi folks.

Some years ago i received several Belgian Army machineguns including this FN MINIMI.
When i got it (yep legaly) it was in the classic configuration. Means long barrel, no picatiny handguards, no picatiny scoperail, no parastock.

It had that funny ammo indicator, a red flag in the feedcover.

Since i'm a paratrooper, i recently converted it to the para version.

Short barrel, picarails and topcover. retractable stock.

This is a short mean machine! a 200 round box makes it a ADHD on speed.

I love it. Recently i tested the minimi with a silencer. What a difference in noice and recoil. Very steady and easy to hoose everything down.

Here are some pics...
Day1, when i got out of the army




And the other weapons i got directly from the army.



This is today






As you know, a minimi will also work on FNC mags (or AR15)
It runs a bit faster on mags. The army forbids the use of mags unless in emergency.






The original FN ABLstock with flip-up (fits also the FNC)



Original handguard and BFA's.




Carbonscraper + BFA's

Ammo was delivered it a canvasbag. The 200rd box has a startingtab.




The minimi with his friends



Just for your interest, this is what we use now in the Army
Including the 7.62 version.






This is a type1 minimi (extreme rare)
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Old June 16, 2018, 14:54   #2
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Paco,

You're my hero.


What a collection! How does Mrs. Paco let you have so many awesome toys?
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Old June 16, 2018, 15:00   #3
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Old June 16, 2018, 15:02   #4
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Paco,

You're my hero.


What a collection! How does Mrs. Paco let you have so many awesome toys?
perhaps is the best gun inside my pants?
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Old June 16, 2018, 15:24   #5
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I'll take it!!!

1). FN MINIMI
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Old June 16, 2018, 15:34   #6
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perhaps is the best gun inside my pants?
Not the Love Gun!!!

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Old June 16, 2018, 16:04   #7
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Gotta' admit..... I dig the old school version better!
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Wow!!

Thanks, Paco, for taking the time to post this.



What an amazing collection.
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Hi Paco, That is a great collection of Minimii's. NZ had the type 1 Minimii + the para model for the Squadron. Removing the "Loaded chamber" indicator was a local mod.Does your Para model have the hydraulic recoil buffer fitted ? The basic screw BFA was useless, the seating surface of the screw quickly got gas cut. The cocking handle track quickly wore out, Eventually NZ dumped the Minimii and went back to the GPMG.

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Hi folks.

Some years ago i received several Belgian Army machineguns including this FN MINIMI.
When i got it (yep legaly) it was in the classic configuration. Means long barrel, no picatiny handguards, no picatiny scoperail, no parastock.

It had that funny ammo indicator, a red flag in the feedcover.

Since i'm a paratrooper, i recently converted it to the para version.

Short barrel, picarails and topcover. retractable stock.

This is a short mean machine! a 200 round box makes it a ADHD on speed.

I love it. Recently i tested the minimi with a silencer. What a difference in noice and recoil. Very steady and easy to hoose everything down.

Here are some pics...
Day1, when i got out of the army




And the other weapons i got directly from the army.



This is today






As you know, a minimi will also work on FNC mags (or AR15)
It runs a bit faster on mags. The army forbids the use of mags unless in emergency.






The original FN ABLstock with flip-up (fits also the FNC)



Original handguard and BFA's.




Carbonscraper + BFA's

Ammo was delivered it a canvasbag. The 200rd box has a startingtab.




The minimi with his friends



Just for your interest, this is what we use now in the Army
Including the 7.62 version.






This is a type1 minimi (extreme rare)
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Old June 16, 2018, 17:54   #10
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if its still available "ill take it"
1) FN MINIMI

should think about another MINIMI forward grip on HG pici instead of that little folder
as always neat stuff
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Old June 16, 2018, 19:15   #11
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That para stock appears.......familiar for some reason. Looks fantastic.
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They were the F89 here. FN Made receiver and some parts, SAF Lithgow Barrels and other parts. Our originals had the FN type handguard and M249 butt. From the get go they were issued here with a slightly heavier barrel and MAG58 style flash supressor and typical Minimi iron sights. When the A1 version came out the iron sights were eliminated and a rail added to the top cover. Initially they used the detachable optic common with the F88. Early 2000s saw the para kits obtained and appear in units.

Pussers shooting the A1 variety...

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VERY, VERY NICE!!!!!! That is the first time ever I have seen a picture of the cleaning kit stowed in the handguard. My US semi-auto version came with a handguard set up for the kit but I have always wondered what the kit looked like and how it stowed. Can the kit be bought over there? If so, I would like to buy one.



Here's my pale comparison to your schweet setup!

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I hate you Paco. Just kidding. Thanks for the pics.
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The cleaning kit is a M16/M4 cleaning rod assy + the scraper reamer tool.

[QUOTE=Combloc;4596166]VERY, VERY NICE!!!!!! That is the first time ever I have seen a picture of the cleaning kit stowed in the handguard. My US semi-auto version came with a handguard set up for the kit but I have always wondered what the kit looked like and how it stowed. Can the kit be bought over there? If so, I would like to buy one.
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Yes, saw them during a tour of Lithgow and wondered why NZ didn't follow/adopt the F89


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They were the F89 here. FN Made receiver and some parts, SAF Lithgow Barrels and other parts. Our originals had the FN type handguard and M249 butt. From the get go they were issued here with a slightly heavier barrel and MAG58 style flash supressor and typical Minimi iron sights. When the A1 version came out the iron sights were eliminated and a rail added to the top cover. Initially they used the detachable optic common with the F88. Early 2000s saw the para kits obtained and appear in units.

Pussers shooting the A1 variety...

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The cleaning kit is a M16/M4 cleaning rod assy + the scraper reamer tool.

Just a standard kit huh? I guess that both makes sense AND shows how dumb I am at the same time. Thank you!
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I'm surprised the current version you show does not have a top cover for the barrel.
When I was in the Corps we had the original version with funny flash suppressor and cleaning kit handguard. There were many people including myself that eventually lost a thumb print for a few weeks.
It was quite the upgrade when we got the new barrels with A2 flash hiders and folding handles along with top covers.
I always liked the SAW and didn't bitch too much about the extra weight.
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Old June 17, 2018, 01:06   #19
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[QUOTE=y18376;4596170]The cleaning kit is a M16/M4 cleaning rod assy + the scraper reamer tool.

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VERY, VERY NICE!!!!!! That is the first time ever I have seen a picture of the cleaning kit stowed in the handguard. My US semi-auto version came with a handguard set up for the kit but I have always wondered what the kit looked like and how it stowed. Can the kit be bought over there? If so, I would like to buy one.
PM me
I got a ABL HG assy and some more minimi stuff ; )

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Paco, I've tried twice to send you a PM but neither shows up in my sent messages so I'm not sure if they actually went through. Ah, technology...…

Received your email and replied. Thank you sir!
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Old June 17, 2018, 07:38   #21
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Just a standard kit huh? I guess that both makes sense AND shows how dumb I am at the same time. Thank you!
It's not that simple. The Foldingrod has different lenghts to make it fit...
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More pix tonight. I'm off to get some nice FAL items...
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Some excellent and beautiful hardware.

Thanks for posting the great pics!
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It's not that simple. The Foldingrod has different lenghts to make it fit...
This is, of course true. I just tried a standard GI cleaning kit and it's a total no go. A couple of the shorter rods would fit but they didn't fit correctly and the longer rods wouldn't fit at all being too long for the forearm.
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Amazing collection Paco! This may have been asked in the past, but can anyone get these type of weapons in Belgium? Are there any special qualifications?

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Just be a good boy, pay taxes, pay the guns...

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Be adviced, in Europe they think every US citizen has at least 10 machinguns in each hand.

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Just be a good boy, pay taxes, pay the guns...

I'm aware that in the US, people think Europe sucks on gunownership.
Be adviced, in Europe they think every US citizen has at least 10 machinguns in each hand.

Media manipulations...
I think I need to look into a Belgian summer home...

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Some more pics of the ABL minimi in action or the internals...

















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I dont mean to be a jerk, but I think you should have left it in its original early configuration. That skeleton stock is cool looking. Every time I handle one of the modern ones that FNH makes here all I can think of is how ugly it is. The collapsing para stock is nicer looking than that inverted looking fixed stock monstrosity though.
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Thank you for taking the time to post these pic and they are excellent quality also.
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I dont mean to be a jerk, but I think you should have left it in its original early configuration. That skeleton stock is cool looking. Every time I handle one of the modern ones that FNH makes here all I can think of is how ugly it is. The collapsing para stock is nicer looking than that inverted looking fixed stock monstrosity though.
He changes it out when he feels like it. Like big kid LEGO'S.

Plus it's a paratrooper thing. You wouldn't understand.
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He changes it out when he feels like it. Like big kid LEGO'S.

Plus it's a paratrooper thing. You wouldn't understand.
Yep, it's a paratrooper thing. I'm sure you understand it when you wear a red barret and a dagger.

No hard feelings anyway. Just a great gun.

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Another bunch of nice pics Left of field question, I saw them in a couple of pic but took notice in the last one of the gunner on the M2QCB, what boots are your issue, Lowa or Meindl perhaps ?
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Thanks for sharing the pictures. That is very cool.

Do you prefer the short barrel to the original long barrel?

Is the Minimi popular with the Belgian military?
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Another bunch of nice pics Left of field question, I saw them in a couple of pic but took notice in the last one of the gunner on the M2QCB, what boots are your issue, Lowa or Meindl perhaps ?
The regulars shoes are not waterproof. So, we are allowed to buy some better.
Same for goretexvests, webbings...kit
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Thanks for sharing the pictures. That is very cool.

Do you prefer the short barrel to the original long barrel?

Is the Minimi popular with the Belgian military?
If i want to hit something, the long one.

If i want to enter buildings, shorty.

The minimi was a major improvement over the FALO (HB) and the FN model DA1.

It can not replace the MAG58, however, some idiots think they can replace the MAG with the MK48 in 7.62mm. Well, for sure, it is to light for that role.
The MAG58 is a pain in the ass to carry but when you need firepower, this thing will make the difference.

The cone of fire of the minimi is to big. No pinpoint accurasy as the MAG58.

It is great to keep heads down or break an ambush at close range.

The endurance of the minimi is not even close as to the MAG58.
We still have MAG's date late fifty or early 60 and they still run like Rolls Royces. Hard to beat that beast. You can knock tentpoles in the ground with the MAG, i would not sugguest that with a m249/minimi or M4 carbine.

It is pitty that many good US soldiers died in 'Nam because some assholes wanted the M60 (made in the USA, so it must be better) over the MAG58.
The M60 seemed to be very unpredictable just when you need it the most.

And later in the '80's they adopted the M240... WTF?

I hope they nailed those "stars" with there balls against the walls.

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I miss my old original version...

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1990..why?
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Just curious. You don't see them in the early configuration anymore so it's always nice to know the vintage you're looking at. Do you remember if the forearm was checkered or ribbed? I cant tell from the picture.
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Just curious. You don't see them in the early configuration anymore so it's always nice to know the vintage you're looking at. Do you remember if the forearm was checkered or ribbed? I cant tell from the picture.
They were like that until 92-93? when the plastic stocks were added with the heatshields. Newer folding handle replacement barrels with A2 hiders started showing up around then as well.

I remember in '97 (?) we still had lots of early straight handle original barrels on the guns and I had them come gage them. (Something which hadn't been done previously) and about 90% of the old barrels failed..even had one that had zero...I mean zero and NOT joking NO rifling from breech to muzzle. Wish I could have kept that one lol!
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I'm surprised the current version you show does not have a top cover for the barrel.
When I was in the Corps we had the original version with funny flash suppressor and cleaning kit handguard. There were many people including myself that eventually lost a thumb print for a few weeks.
It was quite the upgrade when we got the new barrels with A2 flash hiders and folding handles along with top covers.
I always liked the SAW and didn't bitch too much about the extra weight.
I was told that the (US) Army adopted the heatshield on the barrel because a general picked up a just-fired (early) M249 by the barrel, and burned his hands. I dunno if it's true or not, but it sounds totally believable to me! I remember the skinny barrels and funny flash suppressor, and the skeleton stocks. I thought that storing the cleaning kit inside the original HG was a good idea; probably why they were changed to the Picatinny rail so soon.

We tested the M249 under sub-arctic conditions when I was in Alaska, and experienced some problems with the safety not wanting to move after they were cold-soaked overnight. Supposedly that was caused by differing contraction rates of steel and aluminum parts.

Big Army keeps saying that they're going to replace the M249, and I keep waiting...
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VERY, VERY NICE!!!!!! That is the first time ever I have seen a picture of the cleaning kit stowed in the handguard. My US semi-auto version came with a handguard set up for the kit but I have always wondered what the kit looked like and how it stowed. Can the kit be bought over there? If so, I would like to buy one.



Here's my pale comparison to your schweet setup!

Combloc, that gun can't possibly be legal in (the Democratic Republic of) Maryland - can it?
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Yes sir, it is. All you need do is fill out a 4473 and pass a NICS check. Maryland laws are funny. I can explain why it's legal and you would understand it but it's still weird. Unfortunately, it would take a bit of time to explain and more typing than I care to do here. BUT, rest assured, it is 100% legal. Also legal: VZ58, RPD, Bren 805 and a host of other things that would make you scratch your head and say "This is legal but that is not.....really?????" Again, there are reasons but it's a little convoluted.


Here's one more goody example. Chinese made SVD.....Verboten.
Soviet SVD and Russian Tigr…..A-OK.
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Yes sir, it is. All you need do is fill out a 4473 and pass a NICS check. Maryland laws are funny. I can explain why it's legal and you would understand it but it's still weird. Unfortunately, it would take a bit of time to explain and more typing than I care to do here. BUT, rest assured, it is 100% legal.
Yes full-autos and SMG(s) are still legal. Way too damn expensive though for most folks.
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Yep. Full auto and SBR is OK too, so long as it's at least 29" overall length. Fortunately, I've been playing the game in this state since the 80's so I own many things that were once easy to buy but are now banned. But, so long as you bought them prior to Oct.1, 2013 they can't touch you. And an added bonus is that, if you bought them privately prior to sometime in 1994 (I forget exactly when), they need not even be registered. An added, added bonus is that our state is so incompetent anyways that most of the records for firearms registered between 1994 and 2013 were lost anyways so they really don't know what you have even though you registered it way back when like a good little citizen.
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