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Old August 24, 2019, 04:23   #101
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Let's see what we can do about that.

The Mini-14 has a reliability factor far in excess of that found with anything in the ARs.

Kindling was there, just needed a match.
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Old August 24, 2019, 06:12   #102
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Oh you bet Bama ,I'm still here
I'm still in planning and fishing mode
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Old August 24, 2019, 14:57   #103
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Brother Art:. What game can y'all harvest in CT, especially in .223?
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Old August 24, 2019, 15:10   #104
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30 years ago the mini was used to scare " harvest" a couple of meat producers into the freezer every year. I know the .223 was over kill. Seen muley collection in Oregon when a 22 mag was used with good results.

Have seen a turkey more recently loose it's head over a .223 from a precision target rifle. Not a mini. Those were used for critters that dressed in the 145 -175 range.
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Shooting the 584 series 1st time out . . .

Executive Summary:

1. It is a travesty of modern manufacturing that stays on paper at 50 yds and sprays 2' wide/6" high at 100 yds
2. Ruger should be sued out of existence for continuing to sell this POS
3. It is a very nice looking and well thought out piece of shit
4. You would starve to death if this was your only way to take game from across the road
5. Bedding the action is the primary issue so it is salvageable at + expense


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Old August 25, 2019, 15:15   #106
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1st Range Trip

the 1st set of shots fired at 50 yards were promising but all shots fired at 100+ yds were scattered about and very disappointing.

The completely irratic bullet impacts imediately reminded me of loose rifle/stock bedding.

So, I got some big F'n Tie-wraps and using the British unit of pressure called "Two feet and hands worth of force" , I cinched the wraps around the ONLY two places that can accept it.









50 yds:




100 yds:




Readjust sight - 50 yds:





Readjusted sight - 100 yds:




The tie wrap have slipped to the rear and the force was lost during that last pic which explains the impact drift.

But, this experiment has shown me exactly what to pursue next and it ain't a bbl strut . . .

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Old August 26, 2019, 19:39   #107
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Pretty tight mini groups Bama
Mine does about twice that
Not for long though...

I still love my mini 14

I noticed you have the more desirable heavier barrel under the gas block , you may not realize a benefit with a accu strut
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Old August 26, 2019, 22:08   #108
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My thanks, HH.

That was shot over iron sights and I don't see the front sight post all that sharp so some of it was me, the rest was the added clamping force of the tie-wraps.

I'm making some additional wood shims and gluing them into place which I will document shortly.

Keep after it.

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I need to select the hardest shim stock I have on hand so I consult the wood hardness chart --> http://www.workshoppages.com/WS/Misc...ness-Chart.pdf

. . . and find that my Domestic Red Oak is the hardest I have available to me (outside of my teenage pale sausage) and shall now go and cut a strip on the table-saw then clamp it down on the work bench and hand-plane it down to the required 0.063" thickness.

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Shimming/stock-fitting music . . .

Yes, you need subliminal inspiration instead of listening to the crowd inside your head and on the interweb:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXW-sL5gzHQ

Just do it . . .



Sharpened/cleaned my hand plane, sanded out the mating parts in the stock and measured the width of the front lug width from the stock opening channel and divided by 2.

I am looking to make two (0.050") thick shims with a hand plane . . .
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My underfolder AK shoots better than that, Bama.

I really like the concept of the Mini series, but the execution is a damned joke.
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I hate to say it but my .223 AK shoots better than that and the group does not open up more when it gets hot.

Are the bolts on the gas block all equally torqued?
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I hate to say it but my .223 AK shoots better than that and the group does not open up more when it gets hot.

Are the bolts on the gas block all equally torqued?
That is always the first thing I check. Second is properly bed the action in stock and shims are just a shortcut till have time to bed the receiver. Then do a trigger job and most mini's now shoot as good as an FAL with less than $25 in parts/materials. I have installed Accustruts on rifles which helped them as a fast fix but once properly fitted all the parts rifle would shoot the same with or without the Accustrut and sometimes better without it.

Ruger Mini 14 assembly line has the worst fitment assembly line of any long standing American firearms company. If a car company fit parts like Ruger fits Mini's and 10/22's their cars would not make it to dealership unless it broke loading onto car carrier. It's a shame they have no more pride in their workmanship. Add a station to fit receivers into stocks, train the people that assemble trigger groups what square and plumb is along with proper shooting rifes. What's odd are the Ruger handguns that shoot as well as anyones.
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I still love my mini
Bamas groups are way better than my 580 mine will cover a basketball at 100 yes, no kidding
Another couple of weeks and the boat will be on stands for the winter
After that WECSOG begins
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I still love my mini
Bamas groups are way better than my 580 mine will cover a basketball at 100 yes, no kidding
Another couple of weeks and the boat will be on stands for the winter
After that WECSOG begins
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I'll have some good news for you 584 Series lovers later tonight . . . Stay tuned . . .
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My underfolder AK shoots better than that, Bama.

I really like the concept of the Mini series, but the execution is a damned joke.
This thread isn't about your AK is it Lew?

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I still love my mini
Bamas groups are way better than my 580 mine will cover a basketball at 100 yes, no kidding
Another couple of weeks and the boat will be on stands for the winter
After that WECSOG begins
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**** boats - tractors rule!

Can't mow a shooting range with a boat.

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I hate to say it but my .223 AK shoots better than that and the group does not open up more when it gets hot.

Are the bolts on the gas block all equally torqued?
If you are actually following the thread instead of crapping in it you would already know the answer.

You started off so supportive and helpful too man. What happened?

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An angel spoke to me today on the range and told me not to despair concerning all the negative comments by the demons and rubbish tossers concerning the Mini-14, 580+ series rifle accuracy and how to make it into a shooter of the class that remains in the front of my safe, always.

"There shall be those heathens which dwell among you that arise from time to time with comments and questions designed to derail you from the path of truth that you seek. Tarry not with them but continue your efforts and thou shall be rewarded by the labor of your hands and the focus of your mind. In this way shall thou findeth the answer you seek. Ask not of other's nor seek their council for they dwell outside of your mind and are jaded and damaged by their own experiences and desires and wish you not good fortune nor assist your endeavors but to turn you away from the the true alignment of your mind and objective".

So I set down me rifle, observed the just shot target before me and said to myself, "I have achieved my goal".



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Your "angel" spoke good counsel, above and beyond just the range.
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Bama Steve, thank you for this thread and your efforts to date. I currently have 3 rifles chambered for 7.62x39 - (2) Arsenal AKs and an NIB Ruger Mini 30. The Mini shall remain NIB until I find it another home in the (very) near future. Itís always hard for me to get rid of a gun - thanks for helping me see the light and get over the hump! I wish you success with your Mini...if you donít succeed it apparently wonít be for lack of trying.
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Your "angel" spoke good counsel, above and beyond just the range.
I know you and those like you and we have met in person.

Take care and I'll see you when I see you and those like you again . . .

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Keep on keeping on my friend.
Let the turds fall where they may.
Just use caution as to where you might place your next step.
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Are you planning on adding a accu-strut? Iíd like to see some before & after groups if you do. How far are you going on this adventure?
This thread has rekindled my interest in my mini. I canít decide if I want to flush more money down that toilet.
Accustrut if keep original barrel but none if swap to quality barrel with heavier profile. The factory barrel is a little light and while or has had harmonics or both. If rebarrel properly the Accustrut can take away accuracy.
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Shimming the front lugs . . .

OK, No tie wraps this time.
Just new shims installed and shooting 3 shots from the bench at 50 yds over iron sights:














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Wow nice job!

I'm inspired to get my mini out of the safe and see what it can do. Then see if it can be improved. Maybe over the winter.
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Well, I dug the old girl out. Nothing rattly on her.
Can't remember all the upgrades I did back before the internet. I do remember being on a RTTY gun bulletin board with a 110 baud telephone modem. Boy, those were the days.
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Wow nice job!

I'm inspired to get my mini out of the safe and see what it can do. Then see if it can be improved. Maybe over the winter.
Do it, man.

I'm gonna lighten the trigger a bit more and put a scope on it and see what else I can discover about it . . .

Got an adjustable-on-the-fly gas block in-bound next week.

I'll report on my findings later . . .

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Be sure to add a A-Team van to your kit for this project.

Although a bit much investment for my situation.

Someone abandoned the costume chaps and the 30-30 at my last rave. A fella could do worse I suppose.
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Although a bit much investment for my situation.

Someone abandoned the costume chaps and the 30-30 at my last rave. A fella could do worse I suppose.
I blushed at your thread and moved my 30-30 to the back of the safe . . .



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Scoped and ready for further accuracy testing . . .

So I clipped one (1) more coil from the dis-connector spring and now have a ~ 3.5 lb trigger (boy, that feels light).

Factory rail mounted, and a Leopold HOG 1~4X scope mounted on low rings and letting it sit for a day or two to let the thread locker settle.

Midway stock-saddle/cheek-riser installed and adjusted as well - let that stretching of fabric settle too.





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So I clipped one (1) more coil from the dis-connector spring and now have a ~ 3.5 lb trigger (boy, that feels light).

Factory rail mounted, and a Leopold HOG 1~4X scope mounted on low rings and letting it sit for a day or two to let the thread locker settle.

Midway stock-saddle/cheek-riser installed and adjusted as well - let that stretching of fabric settle too.





More later . . .
Just got back into the U.S. after a vacation with my wife, and I see things are progressing nicely. 3 1/2 lbs? Dang dude...Nice job. I'm still going to encourage you to add an over travel stop on that thing. It'll improve the feel. Looking forward to future post
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Just got back into the U.S. after a vacation with my wife, and I see things are progressing nicely. 3 1/2 lbs? Dang dude...Nice job. I'm still going to encourage you to add an over travel stop on that thing. It'll improve the feel. Looking forward to future post
Glad you guys are back and well, Randall.

Been reading up about Over-Travel-Stops on triggers and I find it to be a contentious subject.

I look forward to your thoughts here in this space.



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My trigger was like yours when I started. It was so bad with no aftermarket trigger available, and the video was easy to follow, I gave it a shot. It worked out pretty well for me. YMMV

The work I did reduced take up considerably, produced a clean break at 4 lbs., and reduced the over travel quite a bit while still giving enough room for the trigger reset to occur. As sloppy as that trigger was when I started, it made a huge difference in the overall feel.

Most aftermarket "drop in" trigger groups (Timney, Rifle Basix, CMG, etc.) control over travel as well. I like that clean crisp start and stop in a trigger.

All that said, I can't guarantee adding an overtravel screw will make you shoot your rifle any better than you currently do. If you find your trigger acceptable as is, don't let me persuade you. Just enjoy it brother.
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My trigger was like yours when I started. It was so bad with no aftermarket trigger available, and the video was easy to follow, I gave it a shot. It worked out pretty well for me. YMMV

The work I did reduced take up considerably, produced a clean break at 4 lbs., and reduced the over travel quite a bit while still giving enough room for the trigger reset to occur. As sloppy as that trigger was when I started, it made a huge difference in the overall feel.

Most aftermarket "drop in" trigger groups (Timney, Rifle Basix, CMG, etc.) control over travel as well. I like that clean crisp start and stop in a trigger.

All that said, I can't guarantee adding an overtravel screw will make you shoot your rifle any better than you currently do. If you find your trigger acceptable as is, don't let me persuade you. Just enjoy it brother.
I do love to tinker so I doubt I will be able to keep myself from trying all that you suggest as time marches-on and I gain more experience and understanding of this new rifle acquisition.

Thanks for your thoughts, Sir.



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All that shooting they did during every episode and all that was accomplished was rolling over a M38A1 and a couple gasoline fireballs

I found my 1 piece scope rail and put bedding compound in those half moon cut outs and cranked her down
Tomorrow , if the release agent worked there won't be any wiggle anymore , and still be removable

31/2 # ?
I am anxious to see if it double taps
If not I have a new goal
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I am anxious to see if it double taps
If not I have a new goal
Concerning the trigger modifications:

ZERO/NONE/0 double taps and breaks like glass.

(I probably got lucky and got a really well fitted trigger group but the damn thing is sweet).

There is some take up and a little over-travel but there is ZERO creep in the trigger.

Very pleased with this.
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Old September 07, 2019, 22:34   #139
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Adjustable Gas Block:

I installed the adjustable gas block and love it!

This one specifically --> Gen4 Adjustable Gas Block: https://mini14adjustablegasblock.com/


I can shut it off and make it a bolt-gun or adjust for the load and drop the cases in a pile just off of the bench and the action is so smooth and the recoil is so soft.

Installation required me to grind/dremmel on the underside of bbl so the gas adjustment knob didn't get bound against this 584 series bbl but it works like a charm.

However, it does have slightly different fitment and introduces almost imperceptible stock-play so I have made and installed some shims for the upper hand-guard and lower stock fitment which were easily done and I will see how that works later this week.

I got some vertical stringing today as a result of the above ^ and a few lateral wild shots with the 4X scope mounted but I do think I have resolved those issues now.

At least it is staying near the bullseye using both 55 and 62 gr milspec ammo.

More later . . .

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My, then, 14 year old, shot this group, 100 yards, bench.
Accustrut, Nikon scope,

I've since, sold the rifle....



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I see nothing to complain about with that.

What other modifications had you made to the rifle besides the strut?

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A few links on iron sight upgrades.

https://www.tech-sights.com/mini-products/

https://www.ruger-mini-14-firearms.com/Sights.php

Round up or opt out at your own discretion:

https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1005945526

https://www.midwayusa.com/product/10...422&cm_vc=OBv1

Adding a bonus link:

https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/te...0-accessories/
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I see nothing to complain about with that.

What other modifications had you made to the rifle besides the strut?

At that time, upgraded op rod spring, shock buffer, greased it like an M14.


Mini stuff....
https://www.ruger-mini-14-firearms.c...ccessories.php
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No, do not include the mini, just not worth discussing
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Bama Steve, a little over travel is better than too little. Seen way too many people take out so much travel their trigger hits the stop before firing pin lights the primer. This causes the rifle to twitch before bullet leaves the bore. I was guilty for a few years of this then an old timer who has taught me a lot (in his 90's and still shooting 1/2 MOA at 100 yards with home tuned factory built 22 Hornets.

He started backing up my over travel screws till bolt was at least unlocking before trigger hit the stop. My groups began to shrink with the addition of a tad more travel. I was totally proper finger position, straight rearward pull, proper breathing but if trigger hit stop before lock time had dropped the hammer I was introducing a tad of twitch into the rifle when bullet may have not cleared the crown or just after and moving even when bullet is an inch out then muzzle blast can steer rear of bullet inconsistently.

I still put trigger stops in my AR builds, turn bolts and some of my Minis but not shotguns, FN FAL's and other 2 MOA battle rifles unless it's a design like M1a where sub MOA accuracy is not overly difficult to achieve. When build an AR (varmint shooters and paper punchers) usually find myself adding slack to over travel screw at least twice before Locktite it in place.

Can feel if trigger hits it before hammer hits firing pin on my 1.5 to 2.25 pound AR triggers. Have two AR 10's in 6XC for 1,000 to 1,200 round paper shooting with 18 ounce triggers and know a few who have tuned their Across Course, Long Range autos down under a pound but have to be very careful and be consistent or they will double. Let average shooter use a 1.5 to 2.0 pound semiautomatic rifle trigger and they can't do it without doubles.

Before cut too many coils out of spring have a spare in stock in case go too far and don't want to wait on a new one to ship. When I purposely start to square, hone, tune and polish a Jard 2 pound trigger usually pull two as go too far on either the sear, hammer notch or disconnecter and have to grab another to slowly work into the build.
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Thanks, Huey!

I am happy with the trigger right now and even after clipping disconnector spring coils and achieving ~ 3.5 lb pull and test firing with 55 and 62 gr ball ammo I have had no issues with doubling at all.
I do wish it had less take-up but can live with it for now however, if you have an instructional source for me concerning these suggested mods to the mini-14 trigger group, I am all ears.

As I have discovered in the past while trying to accurize the FAL rifle that anywhere you add stability or mass/increase inertia the more that reduced force will show up somewhere else on the rifle when fired.

It is a balancing act.

I have the action and bbl very tightly shimmed at the gas-block and both front and rear receiver lugs and squared/leveled the receiver-base to the stock.

Any further stringing of shots is probably all the flex forces showing up in the end of the bbl forward of the gas block at this point.

If so, I will install the gas adjustable SOCOM length harmonic bbl stabilizer from here --> https://accuracystore.com/#!/Mini-14...egory=19853331

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Trigger Job Video . . .

Pick this up at 07:45 for prevention of doubling after reducing disconnector spring length/strength:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuSRX92q-sI

Over travel mod is in there as well at 20:45
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And remember you can drop trigger pack out and use a staple to LEGALLY turn a Mini 14 into a binary fire rifle. BATFE has ruled the staple mod legal and just remove staple when want to go back to standard single shot mode. Sometimes a man just has to burn ammo wholesale....

Watched a 30 minute uTube video on how important follow through is on trigger pull done by a former Army Scout Sniper now running a firearms training facility.
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I am really hating this rifle right now; Even after all the forgoing efforts.

Everything about the rifle [at this point] is wonderful other than the fact that that it is inconsistent concerning its accuracy/POI from one day to the next.

It shoots really good cold for about 3 or 4 shots and then climbs high-right after that and the spread is much worse with 62 gr bullets than 55's.

It acts just like the FAL's I have and everyone else's who has them.

SO, I ordered the SOCOM gas adjustable strut and will update this thread later once I have wrung-out it's possibilities.

This thing will either shoot reliably into under 2 MOA or I will cut it into little pieces like gravel and sprinkle it's shredded carcass upon my property . . . like all that steel cased ammo from so many years ago that small children close to the ground find so fascinating like discovering the bones of dinosaurs here in my driveway . . .

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Well,
For the last week I have been on a outage until yesterday when I laid off all my little hoodlums
Now that I got my life back from the clutches of the power company I found my flash suppressor box from accuracy Ststems has arrived at my house

Just the box , thanks USPS

,I can't wait to jump through these insurance hoops

Bama,
Is the front barrel band draw pressure as critical as it is on the mini's big brother ?
I had a M14 build that heat walked until I increased the draw pressure to 4 #
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I have some older Colt ARs that won't group the XM855s as tight as it will with M193s .

Easy on the shreddage tendencies
I read on another forum that the minis won't group FMJ ball ammo at all
If you want to shred something let me come over and we can shred my century cetme together
Should be fun
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