PGE cuts electric power

[Bawana jim]

Looks like the Kali folks are screwed again as PGE cut their power in fear of fires. It may be off for days.

What do you think of cooking this way?

https://youtu.be/QVSYKE4mlTA

[NFADLR]

Yes Yes have been out inermittently (sp).

Still have that 15KW (mem) diesel generator that I picked up from the Seattle area two years ago.

It's much better than the last commercial generator I had, much quieter.

[Redoubt]

Jeez I really dont miss living in that socialist paradise. Now there is rolling blackouts like north Korea. Stay classy Gavin.

[Bawana jim]

I bought a pop up camp trailer for bugging out but at some point I will run out of propane to cook with. A fire gives away where you are so looking at solar ovens. Here in my part of Oregon it rains alot but I just might end up somewhere with some sun.

[RG Coburn]

So now,people will have to cook over open fires outdoors,and thus,increase the chances of wildfires....

[C2A1]

And they can't drive to far either. When I see a Kali plate here it makes me sick to my stomach and if it has a Bernie, Harris or Warren sticker...............
https://www.mercurynews.com/2019/10/...in-five-years/

[meltblown]

Originally Posted by C2A1

And they can't drive to far either. When I see a Kali plate here it makes me sick to my stomach and if it has a Bernie, Harris or Warren sticker...............
https://www.mercurynews.com/2019/10/...in-five-years/

I see em on I10 and want to have them escorted over state lines. Let the coon asses deal with them the old fashion way. Gators gotta eat too

[KoKodog]

based on the lawsuits against PG&E ........

they all should be glad they have any electric power at all

[Jarhead504]

Originally Posted by meltblown

I see em on I10 and want to have them escorted over state lines. Let the coon asses deal with them the old fashion way. Gators gotta eat too

They don't want to come here my brother. It is too hot and sticky for them plus the blood sucking insects are lethal. The heat and humidity combination is simple horrific. Add to all that fun, we have very lenient gun laws, which I am sure they would want to destroy if they stayed, but they won't.

As far as feeding them to the alligators; why do you want to give the innocent alligators A.I.D.S?

Jarhead

[C2A1]

Real third world. Oh, build where ever you want. Then of course it's someone else fault. PG&E has issues also. I could say something about the status of their natural gas pipeline system. It may to late to run the wall up the Colorado river and the bridges looking like Escape from NY.
https://thecount.com/2019/10/09/pge-...sive-targeted/

[pmf]

Originally Posted by RG Coburn

So now,people will have to cook over open fires outdoors,and thus,increase the chances of wildfires....

Yeah, that's some real deep thinking there. Everyone will be out grilling all the crap that's defrosting in their freezers, or they'll be running diesel generators. What a bunch of dipshits.

[NFADLR]

So what's you advise that those that were burned out by PG&E neglegence have done to rebuild their lives after such a fire that wiped a whole town off the map ?

Keep in mind the area included many elderly folks that didn't have insurance and or could not afford what the previously fire devastated area insurance companies were charging for insurance.

What would you expect people to do if not sue the company that was found to be at fault ?

Originally Posted by KoKodog

based on the lawsuits against PG&E ........

they all should be glad they have any electric power at all

[hueyville]

Because of my complex sleep apnea have to often lurk and sometimes participate on a sleep apnea discussion forum. It's amazing how many people who may die if they lose power while sleeping take electricity for granted and say there is no need to have a battery backup on their CPAP and other more advanced machines. My treated apnea is 10 times worse than most folks on the boards treated apnea and without the machine running it's common for wife to have to wake me so restart breathing if not hooked up to alarms.

Have a tendency to fall asleep in my recliner before put my pulse oximeter on which is wrist worn with a finger cuff tethered and goes into a fit if blood oxygen level or heart rate drops below certain levels. When wake up I will jump right into normal range. If don't wake up have gone over three minutes without breathing which always wakes the wife and she wakes me. Been a running thread following the Cali fires about the need for batteries and while participating doctors with apnea say a battery is a necessity seems like over half the members say it's not and would not get a battery even if insurance/medicare paid for it. Right now all CPAP batteries are called "camping accessories" so insurance does not pay and amazingly people won't go $100 to $200 out of pocket to own some type of battery backup.

My UPS that is for my BiPAP ASV only will run it three nights on the tethered supplimental battery. Long before I need it will drag a battery up from downstairs that will run the machine ten days as don't like to run it off the generator even after UPS filters the power but have and probably will again. If in a bind would run my inverter generator to power the BiPAP ASV while charging it's battery and charging batteries of all small electric devices one out of five to ten nights. What's odd is number of folks in Cali who think batteries are not necessary followed by urban city dwellers. Rural folks seem to like backup energy. We go at least a week per year without power from the grid but never an hour totally without as between batteries and generators can stage however much energy we may need.

[gentlemanjoe]

California claims to have the 6th largest economy in the world and can't keep the lights on.

There's your "Green New Deal".

Funny how when you sue a power company for billions of dollars for a previous fire, that they cut off power when fire conditions are ripe.

[easttex]

Originally Posted by gentlemanjoe

California claims to have the 6th largest economy in the world and can't keep the lights on.

There's your "Green New Deal".

Funny how when you sue a power company for billions of dollars for a previous fire, that they cut off power when fire conditions are ripe.

They've got lots of shanty towns and people crapping in the streets now too. Talk about an egalitarian paradise!

[Tak]

I heard that CA won't let PG&E properly clear brush and trees away from their power lines, because you know, The Environment! so shit catches fire more easily.

?

[hagar]

This is payback at it's best. You want to fine us for a fire started by an electric powerline? We will just cut power whenever we feel like it "because of safety concerns". And if you mess with us too much, we will go bankrupt and leave the lights off..

[okiefarmer]

Originally Posted by hagar

This is payback at it's best. You want to fine us for a fire started by an electric powerline? We will just cut power whenever we feel like it "because of safety concerns". And if you mess with us too much, we will go bankrupt and leave the lights off..

This x 1000

There is no such thing as an "accident" anymore. Someone has to be at fault, and normally it is those with the deepest pockets, regardless whether it was their fault or not.

There's enough blame to go around for everyone in the area for wanting to leave it pristine and natural, yet have all the creature comforts of electricity, gas, plumbing. This sounds like the green new deal idiots who drive/fly to their protest sites, while drinking their bottled water, talking on their cell phones. Ya can't have it both ways.

[easttex]

Originally Posted by Tak

I heard that CA won't let PG&E properly clear brush and trees away from their power lines, because you know, The Environment! so shit catches fire more easily.

?

I don't know much about the goings on out there but that's certainly plausible.

[Jaxxas]

Think about all those poor (rich) mofos driving Tesla's that can't go anywhere!

ymmv

[hueyville]

Rush was talking about all the folks complaining about $36,000 battery swaps when the lithium ion battery stops holding a charge. Wonder how many decades I could keep a diesel running for cost of one battery? A little black smoke can't be worse than disposal of piles of lithium batteries over the long term. Really makes me wonder about all the EPA emissions regulations on motorcycles now. Half the modern bikes a man can buy have to be modified for "off road" use before their remotely rideable. All this started on the left coast and traveled to Washington DC.

[NFADLR]

Around here even in the poor areas there are charging stations.


Cant have the millennials going without their precious transportation even if it is a lie.

Originally Posted by Jaxxas

Think about all those poor (rich) mofos driving Tesla's that can't go anywhere!

ymmv

[KoKodog]

I have heard about the “clearing of brush issue” before, too many bunny/tree huggers messing up living conditions

also the power lines are considered part of the aging infrastructure problem in Kali just like the Oreville Dam spillway

PG&E being a public utility comes under some tough conditions to try to run a business in a state with so many DemonRats and bunny/tree huggers

watched a video last night about the power outage and the upgraded power lines compared to the older lines ……. no wonder they have fires sparked by the power lines, trees & branches wayyyyyyy too close and the insulators for the lines are seriously sub-par

[gentlemanjoe]

What generally happens is that profits of utility companys are siphoned off to CEO's and upper management instead of upgrading infrastructure. The cycle repeats itself every year until the groanings of the people are so great that they have to react to complaints of outages, no signal, insufficient bandwidth, insufficient water pressure, etc,,, Once the condition of the utility is so degraded and unsustainable due to law suits, equipment replacement etc.. the company declares bankruptcy then they come back under a different name only this time with grants and federal commitments to upgrade the system so the cycle can continue.

[RG Coburn]

Detroit Edison,or whatever they are called now,have been on a major tear lately,moving and cutting the swath under the power lines.

[frankxtc]

The cure for PG&E’s troubles is to have the state revoke the utility license.
Then the state can claim they have to take over running the power utility “for the public good”.
Schadenfreude at its finest, imagine what that government would do with a power utility department……

[Story]

Nearly a million Californians are now without power as the electric company deliberately shut it off this week, fearing high winds would spark wildfire.
The affected area in Northern California surrounds Fremont, home of Tesla, and a great many electric-car owners who can't charge their vehicles as usual.
Tesla's Elon Musk is swapping in battery Powerpacks and solar power for Superchargers in the region as fast as he can get permits, he claims on Twitter.

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a2...own-california

[Riversidesports]

Did you catch how California is also now demanding the removal of all HAM repeater towers on State lands ?

[Invictus77]

Originally Posted by Jaxxas

Think about all those poor (rich) mofos driving Tesla's that can't go anywhere!

ymmv

[cotter]

Originally Posted by Riversidesports

Did you catch how California is also now demanding the removal of all HAM repeater towers on State lands ?

Wow. Haven't seen that but when the HAM network is part of almost every fire department's and police department's emergency communication plan it makes perfect sense, in commiefornia.

[Riversidesports]

Originally Posted by cotter

Wow. Haven't seen that but when the HAM network is part of almost every fire department's and police department's emergency communication plan it makes perfect sense, in commiefornia.

It's part of a directive issued by CAL FIRE
in simple terms they are establishing Rent for any HAM repeaters based on State lands under a claim they no longer provide a public benefit

Here's a PDF link to a brief filed by a law office opposing this operation
Scroll down to Exhibit A which is a copy of the Email the State sent Repeater operators:

http://www.shastadefense.com/FAX-Cal...io20190923.pdf

Of course the plan is to make them too costly for operators to run

seem to recall California went to some State broadband set up for LE and Fire comms

[Randall]

Originally Posted by Tak

I heard that CA won't let PG&E properly clear brush and trees away from their power lines, because you know, The Environment! so shit catches fire more easily.
?

Actually, I don't believe that is true at all. I've seen PG&E cut down privately owned trees to keep them away from power lines. Also, seen them spray vegetation killer in large swaths (from a spray truck) along mountain roads on private property in order to maintain access to their power lines as well. PG&E has a Right of Way to their equipment.

My feeling is that the real issues are that maintenance doesn't get done as often as it should, because maintenance costs money.

I understand that PG&E has a couple of parent companies that siphon profits from the utility as well. Much of those profits are used for political influence.

It has the added "benefit" of limiting the amount of operating capital the utility has, thus limiting the Utility's exposure to lawsuits. "Sorry. We can't afford that billion dollar judgement against our Utility. We have to declare bankruptcy or increase rates to pay for it."

[okiefarmer]

Originally Posted by Randall

Actually, I don't believe that is true at all. I've seen PG&E cut down privately owned trees to keep them away from power lines. Also, seen them spray vegetation killer in large swaths (from a spray truck) along mountain roads on private property in order to maintain access to their power lines as well. PG&E has a Right of Way to their equipment.

My feeling is that the real issues are that maintenance doesn't get done as often as it should, because maintenance costs money.

I understand that PG&E has a couple of parent companies that siphon profits from the utility as well. Much of those profits are used for political influence.

It has the added "benefit" of limiting the amount of operating capital the utility has, thus limiting the Utility's exposure to lawsuits. "Sorry. We can't afford that billion dollar judgement against our Utility. We have to declare bankruptcy or increase rates to pay for it."

I highlighted the key words for ya. Are they also doing this maintenance on public land? Those trees burn too ya know.

[brunop]

Originally Posted by Randall

My feeling is that the real issues are that maintenance doesn't get done as often as it should, because maintenance costs money.

This. A close friend does Right of Way maintenance for power cooperatives here in Oregon. They are LITERALLY watching trees lay on their lines and burn, and bitching that they have to spend money to clean up the growing / ongoing problem.

They're waiting for some giant problem so they have a 'reason'.

[0302]

Just put the lines underground. Just get everyone a solar panel & a windmill. Prayer doesn’t hurt.

[Jaxxas]

Oxygen-dependent California man dies 12 minutes after PG&E cuts power to his home

[J308]

Typhoid, plague, tent cities, blackouts, all part of the agenda. Conditioning the sheep to accept the Venezuela style worker's paradise they have planned for them.

[raubvogel]

I wonder how long until CA start taking away the generators from those capitalist pig who bough them to use int heir own homes and redistributing them to "the people" (one crappy 5KW one per shanty town and the rest to themselves)?

[medicmike]

Originally Posted by Riversidesports

It's part of a directive issued by CAL FIRE
in simple terms they are establishing Rent for any HAM repeaters based on State lands under a claim they no longer provide a public benefit

Here's a PDF link to a brief filed by a law office opposing this operation
Scroll down to Exhibit A which is a copy of the Email the State sent Repeater operators:

http://www.shastadefense.com/FAX-Cal...io20190923.pdf

Of course the plan is to make them too costly for operators to run

seem to recall California went to some State broadband set up for LE and Fire comms

Well gee...we just can't have communications that are out of direct government control now can we?

[Randall]

Originally Posted by okiefarmer

I highlighted the key words for ya. Are they also doing this maintenance on public land? Those trees burn too ya know.

Yep. They do that as well. Take a look at any PG&E Right of Way on public land that has high tension lines running through it and you'll see a wide swath cut on either side of the power lines for miles on end.

The problem is when they get to the smaller lines hanging off telephone poles. They don't get the same attention...and, There are a many more miles of those than the high tension towers. Maintenance costs money. They don't spend the money to do the job right.

[Riversidesports]

Originally Posted by medicmike

Well gee...we just can't have communications that are out of direct government control now can we?

My opinion is it's mostly a Progressive attack on what is seen as MAGA Trump types

HAM used to be a very exclusive thing. That said in my little community there were dozens of operators back in the 70s. It was the only real way to communicate for folks living up in the North West Angle or on islands across the Lake.

Thing was around the 90s the tech became a great deal more accessible, heck Walmarts sell hand held transceivers. Those became hugely popular with Hunters up here, I mean we have real forests & marshland folks used to die every year in getting lost. These days I regularly snag transceivers on the cheap at local yard sales as folks shifted to only cellular comms

Elsewhere though you will find a ton of interest among survivalist and/or militia types. My read is that's most of the drive to try and shut HAMs down

Here's the thing
HAM was an enormous component of Civil Defense during the Cold War era. The idea was that HAMs were the backbone of emergency comms during natural disaster or a war brought to our shores...they could be set up to run independent of the Grid, telephone lines or other things that could be easily monitored/shut down
Authoritarian types don't like that one bit

I read somewhere recently that certainly models of transceivers are going to be getting a power down grade, think that's already occurred like in the last week or two under a FCC directive to HSA. I know one Baofang model was affected, perhaps more. Now California is going to try and "tax" repeater locations out of existance
Seeing a pattern ?

No doubt Oregon and Washington will adopt this California strategy as well then it will as with most things infest things East.

I'm no big HAM guy, buddies Dad was and taught me to code, whatnot when I was like 14 as nobody in his family was at all interested. The boys gave me all his gear a few years back when he passed on. Showed up with crates of crap...either I took it or they were headed down the road to the County Landfill with it all

I think this push is insane along the West Coast
Say you get a series of major quakes or in Washington Mount Rainer blows it's top. When the grid goes down so will most cell services meaning HAM is really the only other Comm option unless you are running a Sat Phone and are paying for a channel if and when shit goes South in a major way.
eventually it will happen, it's not even an IF but purely a WHEN

[okiefarmer]

Comment stolen from another site, not mine.

"PG&E is an investor owned utility that trades on the New York Stock Exchange. The socialist republic of California grants PG&E a geographically defined franchise territory.* Each and every consumer in the defined territory must buy their power from PG&E. In return the state makes and/or approves all the rules under which PG&E operates and I mean ALL THE RULES. Any notion that PG&E is "flexing their muscles" or "punishing customers" by interrupting service is total nonsense.

Anyone interested in how/why these service interruptions came to be should read California's Senate Bill 901-wildfires and California's PG&E's 2019 Wildfire Mitigation Plan Pursuant to SB 901.

https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/f...201720180SB901

http://docs.cpuc.ca.gov/SearchRes.as...ocID=298246537



*To be clear the same public utility business and regulatory model exists across the country. Every public utility has a defined franchise territory with 'captive' customers and the state makes and enforces all the rules. FWIW, that model dates back to the earliest days of public utilities.

[Riversidesports]

Originally Posted by raubvogel

I wonder how long until CA start taking away the generators from those capitalist pig who bough them to use int heir own homes and redistributing them to "the people" (one crappy 5KW one per shanty town and the rest to themselves)?

Aw hell, it's actually worse than you know raub

since the 70s West Coast Greenies have been demanding pollution control of small engines, yeah like Lawnmowers
when they eventually get their way most generacs will be banned over Carbon footprint

They are equally down on any wood burners, out West they prohibited quite a number of traditional wood stoves and years ago requiring Catayltic condenser systems, whatnot

[RG Coburn]

Originally Posted by Riversidesports

Did you catch how California is also now demanding the removal of all HAM repeater towers on State lands ?

Not quite what the memo says. It's more like...."no more free space for Ham equipment on state pr publicaly owned towers"...
They want the ham clubs to pony up thousands for the use of the tower.

[Riversidesports]

Originally Posted by RG Coburn

Not quite what the memo says. It's more like...."no more free space for Ham equipment on state pr publicaly owned towers"...
They want the ham clubs to pony up thousands for the use of the tower.

already explained that
result is the same isn't it
land taxed out of existance

your point ?

[Story]

Gale-force winds downed trees and utility lines and knocked out power to more than 600,000 homes and businesses Thursday as a record-smashing "bomb cyclone" roared across the Northeast.

Blame the bomb cyclone, aka "explosive cyclogenesis." *

*

A bomb cyclone occurs when the barometric pressure falls at least 24 millibars, or 0.71 inches, within 24 hours. The faster and steeper the drop, known as bombogenesis, the more intense the storm.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ut/4006261002/

[RG Coburn]

There have been "microbursts" recorded on the Great Lakes.
https://www.weather.gov/bmx/outreach_microbursts
An old wood schooner called the "Hunter Savidge" was believed to be sunk by one. Dry microburst.

[NFADLR]

There is no registration here of said things or at least I haven't paid attention to it if there was/ is.

If someone comes on my land trying to enforce their BS I show them this.

And let them know they are trespassing.

Originally Posted by Riversidesports

Aw hell, it's actually worse than you know raub

since the 70s West Coast Greenies have been demanding pollution control of small engines, yeah like Lawnmowers
when they eventually get their way most generacs will be banned over Carbon footprint

They are equally down on any wood burners, out West they prohibited quite a number of traditional wood stoves and years ago requiring Catayltic condenser systems, whatnot

[Story]

SAN FRANCISCO (AP) — A wildfire in California wine country that may have been caused by a high-voltage transmission line called into question Pacific Gas & Electric’s strategy of selectively cutting off power in windy weather to prevent blazes and could force it to resort to even bigger blackouts affecting millions as early as this weekend.

The repeated shut-offs and the prospect of longer and more widespread ones brought anger down on the utility from the governor and ordinary customers.

https://apnews.com/c95a246226c2466a968add8bd2392820

[hueyville]

So they would rather have their communities burn than go without power a few days or so? If power is that big of a deal move elsewhere and have a whole house generator installed rather than spending a million dollars plus for a house smaller than mine as seems the norm in Los Angeles and similar areas. Don't see where a Cali house with cracked foundations and walls from seismic activity is worth five times the cost of the same house in metro Atlanta.