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Old November 02, 2019, 18:39   #1
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somehow taking is not taking...

even if the feds said they could invest in the making. the pockets will have to get bigger on an appeal, which has to happen, or The Republic is lost.

https://www.gunsamerica.com/digest/c...0-bump-stocks/

A federal judge ruled last week that companies forced to destroy nearly 75,000 bump stocks will receive no compensation from the government.

Two companies and two individuals had sued the federal government after the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms (ATF) issued a rule re-classifying bump stocks as “machine guns” thus forcing bump stock owners to surrender or destroy the devices. The plaintiffs argued that the ATF’s decision violated their Fifth Amendment rights and they were seeking $500,000 as compensation for their lost property.

Loren A Smith, a senior circuit judge for a federal court in Washington, D.C., dismissed the suit, arguing that because the ATF was exercising its “police powers” in its bump stock decision, the Fifth Amendment’s Taking Clause does not apply...
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Old November 02, 2019, 19:19   #2
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The number of rights (“Amendments”) that don’t apply anymore is amazing.
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Old November 02, 2019, 19:54   #3
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Since when did tax agents garner "police" powers?
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I sure hope they successfully appeal...this sets a horrible precedence and could have a huge effect on future gun bans.....
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and they wonder why we call them jack booted thugs.
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Old November 03, 2019, 13:19   #6
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Another activist 'judge', probably another obummer appointee... but I stand corrected,he's one of Reagan's.
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Makes no difference, just look at Roberts.
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Old November 04, 2019, 16:21   #8
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Wait a minute...

... ATF cannot make law. Only congress can make law. I know both houses of congress introduced bills banning bump stocks, but I can't find any information that the President ever sign it into law? Regulations are not law, so how can anyone be criminally prosecuted for violating a regulation? I'm asking because I am unclear on the issue. Could anyone shed some light on that?

I suppose that if the feds can just ban a product at will from private ownership they could ban ANY product from private ownership.... even the expression of private thought put into words, pictures, or music.

That's some scary sheet right there! I guess they do as they please because no one that could intimidate them ever stood up and loudly said, "Hell no!" That has to change!
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Old November 04, 2019, 19:28   #9
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Wait a minute...

... ATF cannot make law. Only congress can make law. I know both houses of congress introduced bills banning bump stocks, but I can't find any information that the President ever sign it into law? Regulations are not law, so how can anyone be criminally prosecuted for violating a regulation? I'm asking because I am unclear on the issue. Could anyone shed some light on that?

I suppose that if the feds can just ban a product at will from private ownership they could ban ANY product from private ownership.... even the expression of private thought put into words, pictures, or music.

That's some scary sheet right there! I guess they do as they please because no one that could intimidate them ever stood up and loudly said, "Hell no!" That has to change!
the argument is that NFA compliant bump stock grip adapters are "devices", "contrivances" prohibted under the NFA tax regulations....which bump stocks were intended and designed specifically to comply with,
because derp.
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Old November 05, 2019, 07:33   #10
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the argument is that NFA compliant bump stock grip adapters are "devices", "contrivances" prohibted under the NFA tax regulations....which bump stocks were intended and designed specifically to comply with,
because derp.
Thanks for your input, G1user. I am under the opinion that the only things the feds ever ban are those items that empower the citizen in the feds own opinion... like bump stocks for example.
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Old November 10, 2019, 20:40   #11
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I’ve never had any use for bump stocks, matter of fact I regard them as one of the most useless firearm accessories ever dreamed up.
Ever.

But this outright banning of these devices, by executive fiat no less, should worry every single person in this Nation, not just us 2A guys.

This will happen for anything, including the right to travel, free speech, rights of assembly, right to practice our faith, anything that exists today is able to be taken away by the snap of the fingers of the President aided by a compliant government.
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Old November 14, 2019, 17:39   #12
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The SCOTUS did not go any farther than upholding the ban on them, but not the act of bump firing. Wrangler Jeans belt loops are still legal to wear.

NYS, however, can interpret belt loops as a device...............bump fire in NYS and you can be red flagged, belt loops or not.
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