New form 1 can build starts...

**stimpsonjcat** · November 14, 2019, 20:15

Drawing:

If you look at the drawing you will see a triangular cross section near the leading edge of the cone. I did that as a means of holding the baffle for cutting the other side using collets to make adjusting/loading easier for that side. Worked great. I will hand scallop that section to be a sort of spiral pattern after I get all the baffles cut.

Here's the test baffle being held in the 1" collet for cutting the downstream concave cone using a boring bar:

The 303 stainless cuts very well with both carbide and HSS.

**K. Funk** · November 16, 2019, 06:50

718 not so much!!

krf

**stimpsonjcat** · November 23, 2019, 18:53

I am pretty happy with that.

**stimpsonjcat** · November 24, 2019, 19:07

OK, here are my efforts at spot-welding the can parts together today. It's bad.

The welder is doing something odd today and it's not helping my 'technique' any. It intermittently won't throw a spark when I press the pedal.

I am usually a passable TIG welder, and some welds went the way I wanted them to. Not as tight as I'd like, but on the seam and decent penetration.

I played with some scrap tubing last week and various amperages and things went pretty good...sigh.

One thing that happened was I had a blowout. Not a burn-through...a blow out. Kinda freaked me out and left a giant ball on the electrode. Then it happened again when I went back to do the second set of tack-welds and my brain finally stared at the situation and said "It's getting hot, and you didn't give it anyway to vent." So I pulled the mandrel out and ground a flat down the full side to let the internal gases escape. No more blowouts.

But the main problem is I have a misalignment when test-fit on the rifle. I am going to go ahead and finish the welds up and then probably use the mandrel backwards in the lathe to see if I can sort out the issue and correct it.

Stay tuned for moar train-wreck!

John A · November 24, 2019, 19:51

Now that you have it spot welded, you could chuck it up in the lathe on super slow speed and try to tig it that way. The welds may come out better.

Just a suggestion of course.

Also wanted to subscribe so I can see how the scallop cuts on the face of the baffles do a redirecting the gas.

**stimpsonjcat** · November 24, 2019, 20:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by John A

Now that you have it spot welded, you could chuck it up in the lathe on super slow speed and try to tig it that way. The welds may come out better.

Just a suggestion of course.

Also wanted to subscribe so I can see how the scallop cuts on the face of the baffles do a redirecting the gas.

Hot-shop and cold-shop are separated.

tac-40 · November 25, 2019, 12:32

That is a lot of welding to do. You might want to preheat the piece prior to welding, do a little at a time and then place back in the oven to normalize to prevent warping.

Cobbling together a rotissary rig by your welder could be worth the effort. You already have the mandrel set up. Take a look at this video for some ideas.

Invictus77 · November 25, 2019, 12:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by John A

Now that you have it spot welded, you could chuck it up in the lathe on super slow speed and try to tig it that way.

Welding in a lathe is not recommended as the current passes through the head stock bearings.

**Thomas** · November 25, 2019, 13:35

If welded how do you clean the inside of the baffles?

**stimpsonjcat** · November 26, 2019, 14:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by tac-40

That is a lot of welding to do. You might want to preheat the piece prior to welding, do a little at a time and then place back in the oven to normalize to prevent warping.

Cobbling together a rotissary rig by your welder could be worth the effort. You already have the mandrel set up. Take a look at this video for some ideas.

Yes yes...building a jig will almost certainly speed up completion of this project.

**stimpsonjcat** · November 26, 2019, 14:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thomas

If welded how do you clean the inside of the baffles?

You don't.

This is actually the norm in suppressors.

**stimpsonjcat** · November 26, 2019, 14:38

Much better welds last night after lowering the amps, increasing the electrode nose length, and enabling the pulse feature.

**stimpsonjcat** · November 30, 2019, 16:23

Got new purple electrodes yesterday, and the batteries for the deluxe helmet.

Today went great. Ended up using a 1/16" electrode and running 50 amps with a 10Hz pulse.

The welds from today were about half the width of the previous welds, and were the right colors.

Waiting for it to cool to see if the misalignment got better or worse.

John A · December 01, 2019, 08:59

Considering if there is no major warpage, I'm curious how those thunderbeast'ish scallops are going to sound.

**stimpsonjcat** · December 01, 2019, 21:34

Got a spacer made this morning to 'fix' the misalignment on the can. I made this out of the portion of bbl I cut off the rifle earlier. Basically it is a cylinder turned to mate ver closely with the OD of the bbl where I turned it back for the other 308 can. But then I ground one of the faces at a slight angle vs the axial angle. This has the effect of pushing the can against the thread-form so I can move the outboard hole towards centerline. It worked, and I added some indexing marks to make it repeatable...and tested repeatability.

Here's the muzzle end after getting the alignment right.

The can is so wide the rifle can balance on it:

I took it to the range and it is hearing-safe IMO...no ringing. I could hear the bullet impacting the frame/berm after the sonic CRACK.

Here is the rifle after I got home and rattle-canned it.

I'll try to work up some subsonic ammo for it. Anyone have any pet loads that have worked for a 1:10 bbl?

November 14, 2019, 20:15	#1
stimpsonjcat I wasn't talking to you Silver Contributor FALaholic #: 470 Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Dawsonville, GA Posts: 7,146	New form 1 can build starts... Drawing: If you look at the drawing you will see a triangular cross section near the leading edge of the cone. I did that as a means of holding the baffle for cutting the other side using collets to make adjusting/loading easier for that side. Worked great. I will hand scallop that section to be a sort of spiral pattern after I get all the baffles cut. Here's the test baffle being held in the 1" collet for cutting the downstream concave cone using a boring bar: The 303 stainless cuts very well with both carbide and HSS. __________________ "The game is worth the candle...always been." "It’s hard to light a candle, easy to curse the dark instead." "Into the light may you fall Into the light may you follow Into the light may you know Truth alone"

November 16, 2019, 06:50	#2
K. Funk Retired Metallurgist Platinum Contributor FALaholic #: 38 Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: South Central PA Posts: 5,831	718 not so much!! krf __________________ The Mason-Dixon FAL Association wants YOU!! Ask me for details. You never know what's going on inside the mind of a crazy man!! Check out username kandainv on Gunbroker; always some neat stuff!! FYB!!!!

November 23, 2019, 18:53	#3
stimpsonjcat I wasn't talking to you Silver Contributor FALaholic #: 470 Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Dawsonville, GA Posts: 7,146	I am pretty happy with that. __________________ "The game is worth the candle...always been." "It’s hard to light a candle, easy to curse the dark instead." "Into the light may you fall Into the light may you follow Into the light may you know Truth alone"

November 24, 2019, 19:07	#4
stimpsonjcat I wasn't talking to you Silver Contributor FALaholic #: 470 Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Dawsonville, GA Posts: 7,146	OK, here are my efforts at spot-welding the can parts together today. It's bad. The welder is doing something odd today and it's not helping my 'technique' any. It intermittently won't throw a spark when I press the pedal. I am usually a passable TIG welder, and some welds went the way I wanted them to. Not as tight as I'd like, but on the seam and decent penetration. I played with some scrap tubing last week and various amperages and things went pretty good...sigh. One thing that happened was I had a blowout. Not a burn-through...a blow out. Kinda freaked me out and left a giant ball on the electrode. Then it happened again when I went back to do the second set of tack-welds and my brain finally stared at the situation and said "It's getting hot, and you didn't give it anyway to vent." So I pulled the mandrel out and ground a flat down the full side to let the internal gases escape. No more blowouts. But the main problem is I have a misalignment when test-fit on the rifle. I am going to go ahead and finish the welds up and then probably use the mandrel backwards in the lathe to see if I can sort out the issue and correct it. Stay tuned for moar train-wreck! __________________ "The game is worth the candle...always been." "It’s hard to light a candle, easy to curse the dark instead." "Into the light may you fall Into the light may you follow Into the light may you know Truth alone"

November 25, 2019, 12:32	#7
tac-40 Moderator Armed Curmudgeon FALaholic #: 12090 Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: SC-Low Country Posts: 8,771	That is a lot of welding to do. You might want to preheat the piece prior to welding, do a little at a time and then place back in the oven to normalize to prevent warping. Cobbling together a rotissary rig by your welder could be worth the effort. You already have the mandrel set up. Take a look at this video for some ideas. __________________ Only 2 defining forces have ever offered to die for you. Jesus Christ and the American Soldier. One died for your soul, the other for your freedom. Schools uses to start with the "three R's". Reading, writing, and arithmetic. Now they start with the "three D's". Dipshitery, Dumbassery, and Douchebaggery-Retired Bum If you do in fact have a problem, you have the rest of your life to solve it. How long your life lasts only depends on how well you solve it.

November 24, 2019, 19:51	#5
John A Registered FALaholic #: 73828 Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: NOT california Posts: 1,592	Now that you have it spot welded, you could chuck it up in the lathe on super slow speed and try to tig it that way. The welds may come out better. Just a suggestion of course. Also wanted to subscribe so I can see how the scallop cuts on the face of the baffles do a redirecting the gas.

November 25, 2019, 13:35	#9
Thomas Senior Member Silver Contributor FALaholic #: 7451 Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Central Kentucky Posts: 984	can If welded how do you clean the inside of the baffles? __________________ Who am I to Judge.

November 26, 2019, 14:38	#12
stimpsonjcat I wasn't talking to you Silver Contributor FALaholic #: 470 Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Dawsonville, GA Posts: 7,146	Much better welds last night after lowering the amps, increasing the electrode nose length, and enabling the pulse feature. __________________ "The game is worth the candle...always been." "It’s hard to light a candle, easy to curse the dark instead." "Into the light may you fall Into the light may you follow Into the light may you know Truth alone"

November 30, 2019, 16:23	#13
stimpsonjcat I wasn't talking to you Silver Contributor FALaholic #: 470 Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Dawsonville, GA Posts: 7,146	Got new purple electrodes yesterday, and the batteries for the deluxe helmet. Today went great. Ended up using a 1/16" electrode and running 50 amps with a 10Hz pulse. The welds from today were about half the width of the previous welds, and were the right colors. Waiting for it to cool to see if the misalignment got better or worse. __________________ "The game is worth the candle...always been." "It’s hard to light a candle, easy to curse the dark instead." "Into the light may you fall Into the light may you follow Into the light may you know Truth alone"

December 01, 2019, 08:59	#14
John A Registered FALaholic #: 73828 Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: NOT california Posts: 1,592	Considering if there is no major warpage, I'm curious how those thunderbeast'ish scallops are going to sound.

December 01, 2019, 21:34	#15
stimpsonjcat I wasn't talking to you Silver Contributor FALaholic #: 470 Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Dawsonville, GA Posts: 7,146	Got a spacer made this morning to 'fix' the misalignment on the can. I made this out of the portion of bbl I cut off the rifle earlier. Basically it is a cylinder turned to mate ver closely with the OD of the bbl where I turned it back for the other 308 can. But then I ground one of the faces at a slight angle vs the axial angle. This has the effect of pushing the can against the thread-form so I can move the outboard hole towards centerline. It worked, and I added some indexing marks to make it repeatable...and tested repeatability. Here's the muzzle end after getting the alignment right. The can is so wide the rifle can balance on it: I took it to the range and it is hearing-safe IMO...no ringing. I could hear the bullet impacting the frame/berm after the sonic CRACK. Here is the rifle after I got home and rattle-canned it. I'll try to work up some subsonic ammo for it. Anyone have any pet loads that have worked for a 1:10 bbl? __________________ "The game is worth the candle...always been." "It’s hard to light a candle, easy to curse the dark instead." "Into the light may you fall Into the light may you follow Into the light may you know Truth alone"

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