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Old November 04, 2019, 20:05   #1
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I call it cultural bigotry, followed by cultural genocide. Fundamentally I understand and agree with red flags but.... given what is discussed in the article, we of a certain culture know that it will be "weaponized" against us.
Food for thought.
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Old November 04, 2019, 22:37   #2
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You agree with Red Flag laws?

So you think it's okay to utterly ignore the constitution?

Good luck with that chief.
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Old November 04, 2019, 23:26   #3
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We're,,,well pass Red Flag laws in this country,,,,they're simply coming for everything from anyone that owns firearms,,this is just a step along that pathway.

They have too,,,to make gains on their larger plans,,,wrapped neatly up in one word,,,,socialism.

This country,,,has been two or more countries for a long time now,,,only thing thats changed,,,common people are seeing it for what it is today.

What do I and pelosic and schmer have in common,,,not one damn thing.

I won't live in either NY or California,,,and they believe anyone not living in Cali and NY,, are just worker bees to supply city dwellers,,some place,,down wind,, to grow hogs and cows.

This will end badly for near everyone,,,it always does,,,when two groups of people simply can't live with one another.
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Old November 05, 2019, 07:29   #4
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There are already executive protection orders already in existence for anyone that is fearful that someone is going to harm them.

But what red flags law add is that anyone can make up anything they want about you with impunity and without anything you can do about it and you don't even get to face your accuser if they're lying.

Just FWIW, my oldest son got red flagged year before last by his ex wife because her lawyer said it would give her leverage in court concerning the custody of my granddaughter.

While the judge saw through this almost a month later when he had to appear in court, it was most unpleasant to say the least.

And to make matters worse, my son wasn't even living in the same state as his ex wife at the time either. So not only did he nearly lose his job, he was out of money for legal, travel expenses, missed work and was still showing on his record at least as of 8 months ago even though the judge was supposed to have dismissed it.

So, I have seen how this is abused first hand, and anyone that supports it can write the wording of the law verbatim on a big saw blade and stick it up their ass.
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Old November 05, 2019, 11:36   #5
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This is what I refer to as weaponization. This is why I oppose them. I understand and agree with the logic of red flag but not the outcome or process. Depending on who you want to engage with just owning an AR makes you a "mental defective". What is so interesting in the article is that it walks thru the objective of the one "culture". The destruction of the college is of special interest. The end may be much closer than at least I thought.
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Old November 05, 2019, 12:09   #6
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Even our "pro gun" Lieutenant Gov has said something to the effect of endorsing them. Ugh.

I think the simple solution though is to make RF laws read so that the one doing the reporting is filing charges on someone. The biggest problem with the RF laws are 1. the obvious lack of Constitutional due process, and 2. the accuser faces zero risk when using the law as a weapon. Once someone files actual charges their azz is on the line as well. That also means that it's now a criminal case (even if it's potential self harm) and due process has to take it course. If it turns out that someone was essentially being swated or it was just a jilted lover or libtard or whatever getting their panties in a bunch the backside is they are then charged for a false report, and make it a felony charge. Get a few of those convicted and the reporters will have to really think twice before pulling that trigger.

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Old November 05, 2019, 12:21   #7
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Pretty good article on the divide that is going on. Not sure about red flag laws. You should be able to beat the living shit out of a family member who is acting stupid.
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Old November 05, 2019, 12:23   #8
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This is what I refer to as weaponization. This is why I oppose them. I understand and agree with the logic of red flag but not the outcome or process. .
Where is that ?!!?


An accusation based on feelings has merit ?



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fuktard thinks too much of himself. writes in a wandering pedantic style and thereby looses the reader's interest. didn't bother reading much of it.
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Old November 05, 2019, 20:49   #10
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fuktard thinks too much of himself. writes in a wandering pedantic style and thereby looses the reader's interest. didn't bother reading much of it.
Read the whole thing. Kept my interest.
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Old November 06, 2019, 06:28   #11
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The sad thing is that these laws meant to be vague and easily weaponized. They are not called anything specific like "mental health crisis intervention" for the truly mentally ill like Adam Lanza so they can scoop up a wider net of people. There are many people we don't agree with and think are grade A dirt-bags, but that doesn't mean they should loose their constitutional rights because of their beliefs. I'd still like to see statistics on how effective these laws are...but one thing is true, they are expensive to deal with:

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Old November 06, 2019, 07:42   #12
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Over the past 24 hours my state turned 'blue'. Democrats have held the state house and Governor's mansion before but at the time were not radical socialists. That has changed. Gov. 'Coonman', his accused rapist Lt. Gov. Fairfax, and the Stasi-acting AG Herring are now in the cat bird seat to push their socialist agenda with the aid of millions of $$$ from out-of-state radical leftist organizations. Red flag laws are coming to the Commonwealth, I fear, and it won't take them long. Millions of Virginians will be in jeopardy thanks to the 'tail wagging the dog' sections in NOVA and the suburban idiot soccer moms, Deep State government bureaucrats, and illegal aliens who populate the area.

Maybe its time to make a new state. Just like West Virginia peeled off from Virginia over political differences, a new state could be formed consisting of the area west of I95 and south of I64. It could be called New Virginia. Maybe Free Virginia. I like the idea!
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You agree with Red Flag laws?
Properly written, with extremely stringent due process and no government abuse of the power, they could actually benefit us.
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There are already executive protection orders already in existence for anyone that is fearful that someone is going to harm them.

But what red flags law add is that anyone can make up anything they want about you with impunity and without anything you can do about it and you don't even get to face your accuser if they're lying.

Just FWIW, my oldest son got red flagged year before last by his ex wife because her lawyer said it would give her leverage in court concerning the custody of my granddaughter.

While the judge saw through this almost a month later when he had to appear in court, it was most unpleasant to say the least.

And to make matters worse, my son wasn't even living in the same state as his ex wife at the time either. So not only did he nearly lose his job, he was out of money for legal, travel expenses, missed work and was still showing on his record at least as of 8 months ago even though the judge was supposed to have dismissed it.

So, I have seen how this is abused first hand, and anyone that supports it can write the wording of the law verbatim on a big saw blade and stick it up their ass.
So the answer is, in the real world, no.
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Old November 07, 2019, 06:15   #14
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Old November 08, 2019, 09:27   #15
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Someone said "An armed society is a polite society."

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So true, Jarhead. In days past, when nearly everyone was armed, things were much different. You didn't disrespect another man. You didn't mess with another man's wife or his family. Nor did you kick another's dog or attempt to take his horse. The price to pay for such transgressions was severe. Simple rules for living where respect for others and their belongings were paramount. Sadly our modern world no longer subscribes to that system. The blueprint for modern times seem to be something drawn up from one of those old Bizzaro Superman comics where in the Bizzaro world everything is upside down and backward logically.
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Someone said "An armed society is a polite society."

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It sure makes walking down the public street less stressful.

At least,,,,for some of us.
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Looks like Indian reservations might be last “free” places in the estados unidos soon. That is some funny stuff now. Kansas has 4 reservations & they are cool places, 👍🏿👍🏿
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Looks like Indian reservations might be last “free” places in the estados unidos soon. That is some funny stuff now. Kansas has 4 reservations & they are cool places, 👍🏿👍🏿
A bit of poetic justice there
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