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Old November 17, 2019, 14:55   #1
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FN C1A1 rifle - Made in Canada

Hello to all,

Please find below a lot of pictures of my FN C1A1 rifle that I have not presented so far. As per the Canadian Army Supply Manual (C-71-113-000/MX-000) dated April 1963 the unit price for an FN C1A1 with a long stock (NATO Stock Number 1005-21-150-5294) was $193.77.

On the first picture, I place with the C1A1 all the accessories, weapon tech tools, cleaning kit, infrared scope, and Sniper Scope C1. This rifle is an Ex-OPP (Ontario Provincial Police). It was sold to a gun dealer in UK and then brought back to Canada by Collector Sources in Ontario. This is why you can see British proof mark on the barrel and upper receiver.

To see more info on all tools and gauges for FN C1A1 and FN C2A1. please use this link: https://www.falfiles.com/forums/show...ools+Airforce1

To see more info on C1 bayonet: https://www.falfiles.com/forums/show...=airforce1+kit

To see more info on the L12A1 Conversion Kit 22 Inch Calibre: https://www.falfiles.com/forums/show...ighlight=l12a1

To see more info on the Grenade Launcher L1A2 for FN C1A1 and FN C2A1: https://www.falfiles.com/forums/show...force1+grenade

Enjoy the pictures of the best of the "Inch Pattern" rifle ever made.



















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Old November 17, 2019, 15:04   #2
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Again more pictures of my FN C1A1 rifle.



















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Old November 17, 2019, 15:08   #3
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Thanks for the high quality pics, very very nice rifle
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Old November 17, 2019, 15:13   #4
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Again me with more pictures of my FN C1A1 rifle.

















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Great pics. Thanks for posting them.
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Please find below some pictures of the Canadian Sniper Scope C1.





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Old November 17, 2019, 18:13   #8
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Absolutely gorgeous! Thanks for the pics. Keep up the great work.

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Old November 18, 2019, 08:07   #9
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It is my understanding of Canadian gun laws that you will never be able to take it out and shoot it.
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It is my understanding of Canadian gun laws that you will never be able to take it out and shoot it.
As you know, the FAL rifle in Canada is considered as prohibited weapon http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/f...rohibe-eng.htm. It is on the prohibited weapon list means I have my C1A1 as a piece of collection but I cannot go with it at the range.
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Very cool, Airforce.

Canadian rifles- C1, C7- stand out from the rest just enough to make them interesting.
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That's awesome thank you for sharing.
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Gotta love this shit......double sin tax.

"Grandfather" status:

"You need a registration certificate for a firearm to get a firearm and... you needs a licence allowing them to possess that class of firearm."
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Gotta love this shit......double sin tax.

"Grandfather" status:

"You need a registration certificate for a firearm to get a firearm and... you needs a licence allowing them to possess that class of firearm."
Yes you are right, It is hard (I should say impossible) to have grandfather clause without a weapon of one the prohibited classed. Welcome to Canada.
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Yes you are right, It is hard (I should say impossible) to have grandfather clause without a weapon of one the prohibited classed. Welcome to Canada.
In reading the "Grandfather" clause I tried to equate it fairness wise with our NFA law on automatic weapons.
It seems if you haven't previously possessed a prohibited weapon in Canada you can not own one in the future? In the US the manufacture of 1986 NFA Act provision, automatic weapon receivers cannot be made and registered, however you can still own existing NFA weapons.
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Thank you everyone for your good words.
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In reading the "Grandfather" clause I tried to equate it fairness wise with our NFA law on automatic weapons.
It seems if you haven't previously possessed a prohibited weapon in Canada you can not own one in the future? In the US the manufacture of 1986 NFA Act provision, automatic weapon receivers cannot be made and registered, however you can still own existing NFA weapons.
I understand that, as the number of Prohibited licenses continues to shrink due to deaths or license surrenders, some collectors have started buying up these rifles as they become available, just to keep them from being destroyed or welded up.
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Thank you so much for sharing airforce1, that weapon is magnificent. Im collecting parts for mine. Was a quest just to find a rear sight although Im starting way late in the game. But I have a Lithgow, and a BSA, so next rifle being a C1 is the logical choice. Of course mine will just be a clone, as there is no way for me to obtain all of the parts here in the states, at least not without selling a kidney.

However yours will stand as a good example of what it should look like. The accessories are great and awesome of you to display as well. I wont be looking for quite the spread you have but I like to have at least the average soldier’s issue gear with my military clones.

Thanks again
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Absolutely gorgeous rifle and accessories--- thanks for the great pictures!!!

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Absolutely gorgeous rifle and accessories--- thanks for the great pictures!!!

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An excellent example of one of the more desirable and unobtainable FAL/SLR variants. And speaking of unobtainable, just your rifle's accessories make me drool with envy. Thanks for sharing.
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An excellent example of one of the more desirable and unobtainable FAL/SLR variants. And speaking of unobtainable, just your rifle's accessories make me drool with envy. Thanks for sharing.
Thanks and I hope that you did not drool over your computer keyboard.

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I found a muzzle cover (NATO Stock Number 1005-21-103-6488) that fit over the flash eliminator on the FN C1A1 and FN C2A1. It is make from black rubber. As per the Canadian Army Supply Manual dated April 1963 the unit price was .08¢.











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Hello,

I found this YouTube presentation on the FN C1 and FN C1A1 rifles: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nk2ASY1Xj_U
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Hunh, the video even references the OPP sale to England.

I've just started trolling the internet looking for FAL options; Coincidentally, I'm also retired RCAF... living in the US.
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Hunh, the video even references the OPP sale to England.

I've just started trolling the internet looking for FAL options; Coincidentally, I'm also retired RCAF... living in the US.
Hello Retired RCAF. Do you own an Ex-OPP FN C1A1?
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My old 8L was 8L4164, also a former OPP rifle that was BNP proofed for import back into Canada, as these rifles were not to be sold internally. Someone found a loophole to export to the UK, then import back into Canada.

One thing I loved about the 8L's was the use of the C2A1 type front sight ears, which used the arctic trigger-guard screws as retaining screws, and the removable ejector as per the C2A1 rifle. Both features which never appeared on the L1A1 and L2A1 rifles.

As you probably already know, the removable ejector allowed Armourers at unit level to repair the rifle, as opposed to sending the rifle off to the base workshop level of repair, saving time, resources and logistics.
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As you probably already know, the removable ejector allowed Armourers at unit level to repair the rifle, as opposed to sending the rifle off to the base workshop level of repair, saving time, resources and logistics.
The replacement of the fixed ejector was a fourth line job done at 202 Work Shop at Longue Pointe Garrison in Montréal
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The replacement of the fixed ejector was a fourth line job done at 202 Work Shop at Longue Pointe Garrison in Montréal
Yes it was. Workshop level of repair was overhaul, such as replacing locking shoulders, gas blocks, and the fixed ejector block, and or complete FTRs. I can't remember what year Diemaco started being involved in such for the C1 and other small arms, but when FTRd the capital letter D89 (for example Diemaco 1989) was placed on the upper receiver, forward right side.

Removing the magazine catch and HOD to replace an ejector right in the Unit repair shop was so much easier. I remember it well, did many back in the day.

Edits: After I was poached by Australia, I ended up at an FTR Base repair in western Sydney for a period of time before being attached to the RAA as Artificer Sergeant for the L118/L119 105mm Hamel Light Gun. In western Sydney we periodically did FTR action on L1A1 and L2A1 rifles, as they were back then still used in specific rolls, though the F88 rifle and F89 LSW had replaced both rifles and the L4 series 7.62mm Bren
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Yes it was. Workshop level of repair was overhaul, such as replacing locking shoulders, gas blocks, and the fixed ejector block, and or complete FTRs. I can't remember what year Diemaco started being involved in such for the C1 and other small arms, but when FTRd the capital letter D89 (for example Diemaco 1989) was placed on the upper receiver, forward right side.
Diemaco started his operations in 1976 just after the Canadian Arsenals Limited (CAL) was closed by the Canadian Government. See short history of Diemaco/Colt Canada at : http://www.coltcanada.com/company.html I remember when I did my infantry officer course in 1983, we were issued with FN C1A1 FTRd and remember the D81 marking on the right side just under the serial number, We were lucky to have those C1A1 like new.

By the way, I started as a soldier and went officer during my university in the Canadian Army before to change trade in 1990 to be Administration officer and wearing the blue uniform and working in an office.
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Ya still bleed green then.

I did 18yrs with the CF RCEME, and another 18 with Australia's RAEME before retiring to the US here in New Hampshire a totally pro-gun state. I had bought my 8L from a CFSAC (1982) Queen's Medal winner, and sold it when I left for Australia. In Hindsight, I should have kept it, imported it as parts minus the receiver and got an inch receiver here engraved to suit/replicate. I also had a SA FAMAS, sold that too. They are rare down here, the last one on GB going for over $20k US recently.

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I did 9 years in the Canadian Army and 27 years in the Royal Canadian Air Force for a total of 36 years in the Canadian Armed Forces.
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I found one the reprint 1960 of the CAMT 7-51 "Rifle, Bayonet and Automatic Rifle (Provisional)" of the original dated 1959. You can see the Canadian soldier are wearing the old battle dress and WW II steel helmet.





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