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Old March 25, 2020, 06:56   #1
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Russian small rifle primers

Going through my stash from the last go around and found some Russian primers in the 223 size, are they good for reloading? Reliable ignition?

What are primers selling for today, I went to grafs and they are sold out?
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Old March 25, 2020, 08:08   #2
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If they are the Wolf SR .223 standard primers, I have some from the 0bama era and use them without any trouble. They are the copper colored ones. I use BL-C2, 55 grain bullets and follow the chart in Modern Reloading.

That's just me though. I'm sure the double-atomic guys would get pierced primers, etc. They haven't been available for a while now, and I don't know what what they are worth in the current panic.
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Old March 25, 2020, 08:17   #3
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I have 5,000 Russian primers I got in a deal in the bummer years, never tried them out. Thinking of taking them to the local gun store or out to the range pro shop and selling them.
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Old March 25, 2020, 08:23   #4
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There are different varieties; Wolf, Tula, Murom, and they can be standard, magnum etc.
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Old March 25, 2020, 08:42   #5
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I have the Wolf 223 standard primers in the red boxes.
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Good primers I hear, although I have only used Tula and liked them.
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Old March 25, 2020, 09:27   #7
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Good to know in case I sell them. I really like the gunsmith at the LGS, he has helped me on many projects and always treated me with respect. He has to be hurting for product to sell so I will either offer him a really good deal or take it to my gun clubs pro shop for other members.

I bought back in the bummer years thinking we might never get ammo again. Ammo will come back under Trump so I may as well help other shooters with a fair price.
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Out of curiosity, and ignoring the recent panic, what happened to them? I have not heard of anyone selling them last year. I've never tried them so I do not know much about them besides they existed once.
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Old March 25, 2020, 10:20   #9
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Out of curiosity, and ignoring the recent panic, what happened to them? I have not heard of anyone selling them last year. I've never tried them so I do not know much about them besides they existed once.
I did a bing search and read that obummer wouldn't allow the primers in after Russia invaded the Crimea.
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Out of curiosity, and ignoring the recent panic, what happened to them? I have not heard of anyone selling them last year. I've never tried them so I do not know much about them besides they existed once.
I think they were the victim of trade sanctions because of something or another...but it cut off Tula and Wolf primers
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Old March 25, 2020, 10:33   #11
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Shopping around and it looks like plenty of powder but primers are getting hard to find.
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Old March 25, 2020, 11:04   #12
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The Wolf Russian Murom came in at least two varieties, one 'advertised' as .223 and the other as 5.56mm with the 5.56mm having a slightly 'tougher' cup (whether thickness or hardening I'm not sure). Both are non-corrosive and excellent primers.

I have used the 5.56mm ones with complete satisfaction. Most sources recommend using the 5.56mm ones for 5.56mm ammo, with reports of punctures of the .223 ones at the pressures that heavier bullet loads operate at for 'long-range' AR competition (something that has also been reported with CCI 400 standard SR primers in such loads).

In my experience (and I load quite a bit of 5.56x45mm ammo), I have never had such problems (with CCI 400) with M193 spec ammo, but then I load to the M193 velocity spec and don't try to turn .223 Rem into a .22-250 or .220 Swift.

Although I do have a couple of cases of the Wolf (Murom) .223 primers., I have only used the 5.56 ones to date. I suspect that the .223 ones would work just fine with the loads I use in 5.56x45mm...

Probably hagar or Gary (or some others) could comment in a more meaningful way than I can on all this...

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By the way, I think that the ban on importation of the Russian primers came before the Russian Crimea takeover...

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I believe Wolf got caught in the obummer years of depleted ammo and components. Once the comeback started folks wanted American made by what it looks like.
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Wolf and Tula small rifle magnum primers are great, but I was shooting next to a guy on the highpower line that had a slamfire with a Wolf small rifle primer in his AR..
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At one point during a time of plenty, I thought about selling mine, but I like the way they fit in primer pockets and they work just fine, so I will use them until they are gone or until I can't sh00t any more.
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Use them all the time,,,bought a ton of them,,way back when.

You want to sell them,,,sell them here,,,,,
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The problem selling primers or powder is the cost of shipping. I am trying to talk myself out of driving 5 hours for 10K primers....that would be excess to my needs but they are priced for a song!
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after Russia invaded the Crimea.
Russia didn't invade Crimea.
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Russia didn't invade Crimea.
Ok then I guess they are just there for a visit.

nd until Tuesday 18 March, when a group of pro-Russian gunmen attacked a small Ukrainian army base in Simferopol, killing one officer and injuring another, it was entirely bloodless.

For much of February, thousands of extra soldiers were quietly sent in to the bases which Russia was permitted by treaty to own in Crimea. Civilian "volunteers" moved in too. The plan was carried out secretly and with complete success.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26644082
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Ok then I guess they are just there for a visit.

nd until Tuesday 18 March, when a group of pro-Russian gunmen attacked a small Ukrainian army base in Simferopol, killing one officer and injuring another, it was entirely bloodless.

For much of February, thousands of extra soldiers were quietly sent in to the bases which Russia was permitted by treaty to own in Crimea. Civilian "volunteers" moved in too. The plan was carried out secretly and with complete success.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26644082
Well, there was a popular vote too, but I guess we don't have to mention that...

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There was a popular vote here for Al G0re and Hitl3ry. ijs
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Well, there was a popular vote too, but I guess we don't have to mention that...

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Looks like they used bullets for ballots.
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The sanctions involved companies the Russian government had a stake in.
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