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Old October 09, 2019, 09:44   #1
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Would you become a Member if Gun Range Requires Background Checks?

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This new range will require members to pass a background check.
I'm not sure if it's every time a members renews....nor if the guests will have to pass it too.

I don't know exactly what type of check they will be asking for...if its NICS or otherwise.

....but who will want to go through this when there are other ranges available in the vicinity that don't require it?


Would you?


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Old October 09, 2019, 09:49   #2
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I would want to know what they are looking for ...
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Old October 09, 2019, 09:53   #3
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I would want to know what they are looking for ...
I sent them an email asking that....not with my primary email but some junk one.....LOL

They probably won't reply, thinking that I'm some kind of criminal or that I'll fail the background check....LOL


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Old October 09, 2019, 10:01   #4
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I doubt they will be in business long.
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Old October 09, 2019, 10:30   #5
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SOP for large ranges with large membership rolls, expensive dues, large treasuries and much to lose.
NICS check, I think and don't know how often they require it.
Not a deal breaker if you want in.
The only 1000 yard range in this area requires BC of members, among several other requirements...NRA membership, sponsorship, work day and business meeting attendance, etc.
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Old October 09, 2019, 10:51   #6
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Nope. I will just use my backyard.
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Old October 09, 2019, 10:57   #7
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The only 1000 yard range in this area requires BC of members, among several other requirements...NRA membership, sponsorship, work day and business meeting attendance, etc.
In this other 1,000 yard range I don't require to provide a membership, identification, background check nor sexual favors.
20 something bucks the entire day and you put your name and caliber in the list. I normally sign it as George Washington or "Mr. Blue Lightning"....LOL

On another range I do have a membership,although not required, and no background check required.
It's a small range with gunsmithing services.

I frequently shoot at this other range as a guest. Driver's license is required.
They keep the "paper" data for a year, then gets destroyed.
I don't like the record keeping but I can shoot a lot of stuff.
Machinegun, rapid fire, all kinds of targets. Small range up to 300 yards.
They also have farm animals walking to the range: cows, horses, pigs, dogs, etc.
As a gun-slinging cowboy I like to see them.


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Old October 09, 2019, 11:10   #8
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It's probably good a range looks at its membership before they join. How long would a range stay open if terrorist were found training on the range. Good character is what they need to look for but a criminal background check would tell everyone that the newb can't have firearms.
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terrorist were found training on the range.
LOL.
Terrorists had already trained in the middle east or in Mexico before
sneaking thru the border.






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Old October 09, 2019, 11:19   #10
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LOL.
Terrorists had already trained in the middle east or in Mexico before
sneaking thru the border.


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Its a good, I guess you don't consider Antifa terrorist so it's my mistake in to use the word terrorist. I will be more careful in my words if I ever post again.

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Old October 09, 2019, 11:30   #11
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Ive been to a couple of ranges where such a requirement would have improved the place
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Old October 09, 2019, 11:31   #12
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I guess you don't consider Antifa terrorist
I just don't see them "terrorizing" me nor our bad-ass FALFILERS here.

They are more Faggotrists than Terrorists.....LOL

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Old October 09, 2019, 12:14   #13
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I just don't see them "terrorizing" me nor our bad-ass FALFILERS here.

They are more Faggotrists than Terrorists.....LOL

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Its probably not wise to let Antifa practice with their guns on an established range. They are just the kind of group to murder folks and useing guns to do it.
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Old October 09, 2019, 12:23   #14
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Depends what the range has to offer I guess.
Here in Idaho? No definitely not.
But down in Phoenix or California it might be nice to go to a range that isn't filled with gangbangers and tweekers.

I get it if its some really nice interior rifle range with mechanical targets, shooting around obstacles, deals on training, no range officers, or other perks it might get my attention.
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Old October 09, 2019, 12:35   #15
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So do you think flight schools are doing background checks for their students? Can't say I'd blame a range for doing something similar, and for the same reasons.

Ultimately though my $$$ says it reduces their liability premiums a bit. I would say though that if you have a CHL/LTC/ whatever the fugg it's called in your neck of the woods there shouldn't be a need.
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Old October 09, 2019, 13:04   #16
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I wanted to start a club where you are required to have 2 members to vouch for you. We do this in my flying club and it has served us well. I've seen some incredibly stupid SH*T going on in two different private ranges.

All that being said, it's a private range. Their call, your choice.
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Old October 09, 2019, 13:09   #17
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If I owned a range, I'd want my members to have either a valid CCW or undergo a background check.

There are too many idiots out there and the legal risks are too great these days. I'd also want another member to vouch for you.

If you'd rather shoot in your backyard or somewhere else, I'd have no problem with that. Please have at and come over for matches.
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I get it if its some really nice interior rifle range with mechanical targets, shooting around obstacles, deals on training, no range officers, or other perks it might get my attention.
In this particular one the only thingy that interested me was the 1,000 to 2,000 yards range.
And they will have a sniper tower. Which will be great to practice my angle/mountain shots.

...and if they will ask for Background Check then I have a feeling that to get in that 1,000 + yards I'll
have to do some humiliating things..It ain't gonna be me just walking out there to shoot...
they will probably want me to first qualify at shorter yardages, do SUB 1 moa groups, do cartwheels
and do tactical exercises and shit.....lol


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Old October 09, 2019, 16:02   #20
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Here's the thing
It's not going to be a For Reals "Background Check"

Even if the Range had an FFL it's unlawful to use NICS without a completed 4473
Similarly it's against most State's laws for LE to run a background check for public entities

What then ?
Same kind of Background Check landlords do which really isn't very revealing in so far as who is or not a Prohibited Person under the GCA
In short, it's Feel Good bullshit
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Old October 09, 2019, 16:21   #21
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Who would do the background check? Someone in-house or someone contracted to conduct it?

Seems having a valid CCW would be enough. Last time my driver's license was due for renewal I went ahead and applied for one of the Real ID licenses. Had to present multiple forms of identification, utility bills with my name and address, even my passport just to get into the process, which meant a background check before sending me the license. Should be enough for a gun range!

But then I just ride on down to the creek bottom.
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Generally I question the reputation of any gun club that lets me in the door.
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Who would do the background check? Someone in-house or someone contracted to conduct it?

Seems having a valid CCW would be enough. Last time my driver's license was due for renewal I went ahead and applied for one of the Real ID licenses. Had to present multiple forms of identification, utility bills with my name and address, even my passport just to get into the process, which meant a background check before sending me the license. Should be enough for a gun range!

But then I just ride on down to the creek bottom.
A fair share of this is potential civil liability either real imaginary and gets imposed by the Insurance industry if you expect lower rates

The local club here is an extremely well kept and ran facility
How they run it is anyone can use it however they do appreciate the memberships.

Another flip to all this is even with prohibited persons you have perfectly lawful range users
Great example of that are guys with say a Domestic conviction that are Hunters
they just put up the modern and went Black Powder. Those types are still using ranges

Good share of ranges up here have Archery lanes
So Background Check Bow Hunters too ?

Now one can try and research folks using MyLife but that's a damn poor database to rely on.
There are some better ones that are used by private industry but in general unless a range contracts with a security firm they are spinning their wheels

CCW sounds good, thing is I know a couple real dirtballs with carry permits
Worse yet, those who don't have a permit are unlikely to obtain one just to shoot at some swanky but anal retentive new range
Still plenty of people who only hit a range for the obligatory two or three rounds for Deer season opener. They don't own a handgun and have no interest in them either
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They also want you to Pass a safety course.

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Old October 09, 2019, 19:52   #25
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I get it.

But no.

And I ain't joining the damn NRA to get the blessing of the board either.

Freedom. You can be free to require what ever you want for folks to be deemed worthy to be on your precious range. I'm free to go elsewhere.

Around here the ranges/clubs seem to believe shooters have nothing to do because the list of to-dos and requirements and meetings and shit would take a guy a weeks worth of time to accomplish.
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We have been members of the St. Bernard Pistol and Rifle Range Club since 1967. Since Katrina, new members have to pass a "background check". As one of the other FALaholics stated, they are not "true" background checks but we do not need any trouble. They are done by the sheriff's department. Also, all members have to be NRA members. You have to be "sponsored" at the February and March meetings when they take new members. If a member you sponsor does something stupid and violates the club rules, you can get kicked out too.

Before Katrina there were over 800 members. Now it hovers around 450. It is the only 200 yard range in the New Orleans area butt here are 600+ yard ranges out in the country or up the river near Baton Rouge.

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And I ain't joining the damn NRA to get the blessing of the board either.
I've never in my life given the NRA any money....ever.

Not even the 2 cents that MidwayUsa keeps asking me to round up my orders to............LOL


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[QUOTE=MOS11C;4793634]I've never in my life given the NRA any money....ever.

Not even the 2 cents that MidwayUsa keeps asking me to round up my orders to............LOL


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To quote Dark Vader; "Impressive, most impressive." Be proud that you let other poor mother fukkahs pick up your load, mah bruthah in Jesus.

Think that you are better than others, if it makes you feel better, but without the NRA, YOU would not have the right to keep your firearms.

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It's alright. I thought you were a better man Brother MOS11C. My bad.

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It's alright. I thought you were a better man Brother MOS11C. My bad.

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The only "better man" that existed was Jesus Christ.
He did not deserved the death and abuse that He got, and we did not deserve what He did for us.

"For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son"
But the "World" that He loved was not the one 2,000 years ago...
.....it was the World that He created. The "World", not "Mankind".
He loved the Creation. The World that existed in Genesis, at the beginning.
He loved His "Creation" that He gave His only son to bring that "World" back.
He did not loved mankind at the time of the Flood either, thus the flood.
And there is a reason why He also destroyed all animals.
He did not loved mankind 2,000 years ago like the Lukewarm preach.
And He does not love mankind now.


We're all bad and horrible people. Disgusting human animals.
We're the fallen, dirty and our few good deeds are like filthy rags...unworthy of God's grace.

We can only pray, ask and hope, till our demise, that our Lord will forgive us, set us free, open His arms to us and show us His Glory.

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This is from the range I belong to. Part of the membership page;

Applicants for membership must meet the following requirements:

Be a citizen of the Unites States
Be at least 18 years old
Present an completed membership application form (download below), including:
A reference from a current ARPC member
You can meet members at one of our regular meetings, which are held on the second Thursday of all even-numbered months at the VFW Hall in Arnold, MO.)
Proof of current NRA Membership
Proof of a background check to prove that they are lawfully able to own and possess firearms. Numerous methods of proof are acceptable in lieu of a commercial background check, including a current CCW permit, recent purchase receipt for a firearm, proof of employment in a job that requires background checks (public school teachers, private security,etc.) and many others. [Please contact our membership officer via e-mail if you have questions regarding this requirement.]
Complete a tour of club facilities
Successfully complete a written examination at the time of application.

We just started our background checks two years ago IIRC, on the advice our club's lawyer. It's more of a proactive step than anything. The area around us is being developed and we have already been sued (we won). My personal opinion is that they started the background check to keep someone from arguing in court that we're just a bunch of inbred hillybillies just out of jail blasting away in them thar hills.
The NRA membership requirement is due to the range insurance we get thru the NRA (substantially cheaper than we can find anywhere else).
I believe the written exam is to show that you know which end of the gun is which along with safety requirements as some of the newer members I'm not too sure they know. Some of them appear to be somewhat irresponsible and our executive board has had to come down on some folks. The CCTV system has been invaluable here. We've caught members using hi-power rifles on pistol targets, shooting at wildlife, target stands, buildings in our cowboy town, the roof of our covered ranges, consuming alcohol on the range while shooting etc. It's a small minority and gets taken care of.
We have vastly upgraded to ranges in the last couple of years, including a CCTV system on all ranges, range marshal program, and we just opened a 100 to 400 yard range at a cost of just under $500k (had to blast out hilltops and fill intervening valley). In the 25 years I've belonged we've built a 100 to 400 yd range, a CAS town, five stand range trap range, blackpowder range, clubhouse, administration building, several storage barns, a maintenance barn and more. So we're trying to keep our facilities in top shape. And vetting the members is paying off (we have around 1500 members). Because no matter what you do some folks will fall through the cracks. These new precautions just catch them quicker and easier than we did before. It also lessens our liability to a great extent.
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This is from the range I belong to. Part of the membership page;

Applicants for membership must meet the following requirements:

Be a citizen of the Unites States
Be at least 18 years old
Present an completed membership application form (download below), including:
A reference from a current ARPC member
You can meet members at one of our regular meetings, which are held on the second Thursday of all even-numbered months at the VFW Hall in Arnold, MO.)
Proof of current NRA Membership
Proof of a background check to prove that they are lawfully able to own and possess firearms. Numerous methods of proof are acceptable in lieu of a commercial background check, including a current CCW permit, recent purchase receipt for a firearm, proof of employment in a job that requires background checks (public school teachers, private security,etc.) and many others. [Please contact our membership officer via e-mail if you have questions regarding this requirement.]
Complete a tour of club facilities
Successfully complete a written examination at the time of application.

We just started our background checks two years ago IIRC, on the advice our club's lawyer. It's more of a proactive step than anything. The area around us is being developed and we have already been sued (we won). My personal opinion is that they started the background check to keep someone from arguing in court that we're just a bunch of inbred hillybillies just out of jail blasting away in them thar hills.
The NRA membership requirement is due to the range insurance we get thru the NRA (substantially cheaper than we can find anywhere else).
I believe the written exam is to show that you know which end of the gun is which along with safety requirements as some of the newer members I'm not too sure they know. Some of them appear to be somewhat irresponsible and our executive board has had to come down on some folks. The CCTV system has been invaluable here. We've caught members using hi-power rifles on pistol targets, shooting at wildlife, target stands, buildings in our cowboy town, the roof of our covered ranges, consuming alcohol on the range while shooting etc. It's a small minority and gets taken care of.
We have vastly upgraded to ranges in the last couple of years, including a CCTV system on all ranges, range marshal program, and we just opened a 100 to 400 yard range at a cost of just under $500k (had to blast out hilltops and fill intervening valley). In the 25 years I've belonged we've built a 100 to 400 yd range, a CAS town, five stand range trap range, blackpowder range, clubhouse, administration building, several storage barns, a maintenance barn and more. So we're trying to keep our facilities in top shape. And vetting the members is paying off (we have around 1500 members). Because no matter what you do some folks will fall through the cracks. These new precautions just catch them quicker and easier than we did before. It also lessens our liability to a great extent.
Just too many Faggots

"on the advice our club's lawyer."

an aside, this is why folks can not salvage at landfills in most places these days
County Lawyers law dogging it over liability

So Billy Joe wants to shoot muzzle loader on your yuppie range, he needs a back ground check even though there is no real regulation ?

If you support any of that you are as bad as Dicks Sporting Goods and are pole suckers extreme, all of you.

Seems you do

that's over the top
I occasionally shoot vintage Tanegshima Japanese match locks
well your dumb ass outfit seems to demand all sorts of just stupid shit
yes you assholes are really doing something...more virtue signaling.

I would not place a cent to your range, another foul place ran by assholes
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I don't perceive any difference between submitting to a BC to purchase a firearm and submitting to a BC to become a member of a shooting range.

The range where I am a member does not require a BC or NRA membership to be enrolled. There is a range much closer to my home that does require NRA membership and being voted in by current members. I am certain that I could get the votes, but I will stop shooting and sell my firearms before I ever become an NRA member again.
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I don't perceive any difference between submitting to a BC to purchase a firearm and submitting to a BC to become a member of a shooting range.

The range where I am a member does not require a BC or NRA membership to be enrolled. There is a range much closer to my home that does require NRA membership and being voted in by current members. I am certain that I could get the votes, but I will stop shooting and sell my firearms before I ever become an NRA member again.
well one is Federal law, the other is NOT

we had this crop up here
several members asked my opinion after some yuppie millennial was advancing it

I was like what's the point ?
Nobody is stationed there as ROs to begin with
just come and go as the public pleases
does the club want to hire a RO ?

nobody wanted to go there
some days nobody shows up, it's pretty isolated in swampland
no faggoty rules
you can blast steel core, tracer, etc
I read crap going on at ranges, my thoughts is it is all due to yuppified semi Urban retards
OMG Steel Core ammo !!!

faggots & lawyers
the core might spark on a stone and burn shit down !!!
they generally support Global Warming trash too
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well one is Federal law, the other is NOT
And both are voluntary.
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This is from the range I belong to. Part of the membership page;

Applicants for membership must meet the following requirements:

Be a citizen of the Unites States
Be at least 18 years old
Present an completed membership application form (download below), including:
A reference from a current ARPC member
You can meet members at one of our regular meetings, which are held on the second Thursday of all even-numbered months at the VFW Hall in Arnold, MO.)
Proof of current NRA Membership
Proof of a background check to prove that they are lawfully able to own and possess firearms. Numerous methods of proof are acceptable in lieu of a commercial background check, including a current CCW permit, recent purchase receipt for a firearm, proof of employment in a job that requires background checks (public school teachers, private security,etc.) and many others. [Please contact our membership officer via e-mail if you have questions regarding this requirement.]
Complete a tour of club facilities
Successfully complete a written examination at the time of application.

We just started our background checks two years ago IIRC, on the advice our club's lawyer. It's more of a proactive step than anything. The area around us is being developed and we have already been sued (we won). My personal opinion is that they started the background check to keep someone from arguing in court that we're just a bunch of inbred hillybillies just out of jail blasting away in them thar hills.
The NRA membership requirement is due to the range insurance we get thru the NRA (substantially cheaper than we can find anywhere else).
I believe the written exam is to show that you know which end of the gun is which along with safety requirements as some of the newer members I'm not too sure they know. Some of them appear to be somewhat irresponsible and our executive board has had to come down on some folks. The CCTV system has been invaluable here. We've caught members using hi-power rifles on pistol targets, shooting at wildlife, target stands, buildings in our cowboy town, the roof of our covered ranges, consuming alcohol on the range while shooting etc. It's a small minority and gets taken care of.
We have vastly upgraded to ranges in the last couple of years, including a CCTV system on all ranges, range marshal program, and we just opened a 100 to 400 yard range at a cost of just under $500k (had to blast out hilltops and fill intervening valley). In the 25 years I've belonged we've built a 100 to 400 yd range, a CAS town, five stand range trap range, blackpowder range, clubhouse, administration building, several storage barns, a maintenance barn and more. So we're trying to keep our facilities in top shape. And vetting the members is paying off (we have around 1500 members). Because no matter what you do some folks will fall through the cracks. These new precautions just catch them quicker and easier than we did before. It also lessens our liability to a great extent.
Good grief. Got facial/eye recognition too?
Screw all that.

We've managed to keep a first-class range without that, and without Fudd ROs telling folks how many seconds they must wait between shots....
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Good grief. Got facial/eye recognition too?
Screw all that.

We've managed to keep a first-class range without that, and without Fudd ROs telling folks how many seconds they must wait between shots....
Trust me Ted, there are a mess of members here who want any range highly exclusive

same assholes quietly supporting universal checks on any transfer

their idiocy is uncontainable.
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I wanted to start a club where you are required to have 2 members to vouch for you. We do this in my flying club and it has served us well. I've seen some incredibly stupid SH*T going on in two different private ranges.

All that being said, it's a private range. Their call, your choice.
Ours does, and your right it works out beautifully. There is a waiting list, new members are only taken in the spring at the same time non paying renewals are bumped. No background checks are conducted in the sense that no NCIC or state police background like is done if you want to work in a school but they will call references if you don't have two good standing members sponsor you.
Also active competitors, ie, Highpower, f class, smallbore are given preference in the years that we are at capacity and even years we are not, there have been spots left unfilled rather than take in members known to be a pain in the ass.
The shooting community is a small one, if you cause problems one place word will spread.
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I wanted to start a club where you are required to have 2 members to vouch for you. We do this in my flying club and it has served us well. I've seen some incredibly stupid SH*T going on in two different private ranges.

All that being said, it's a private range. Their call, your choice.
Those are the rules of the club I belong to.
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Just too many Faggots

"on the advice our club's lawyer."

an aside, this is why folks can not salvage at landfills in most places these days
County Lawyers law dogging it over liability

So Billy Joe wants to shoot muzzle loader on your yuppie range, he needs a back ground check even though there is no real regulation ?

If you support any of that you are as bad as Dicks Sporting Goods and are pole suckers extreme, all of you.

Seems you do

that's over the top
I occasionally shoot vintage Tanegshima Japanese match locks
well your dumb ass outfit seems to demand all sorts of just stupid shit
yes you assholes are really doing something...more virtue signaling.

I would not place a cent to your range, another foul place ran by assholes
It all depends where the range is.

So Billy Joe wants to shoot muzzle loader on your yuppie range, he needs a back ground check even though there is no real regulation ?

Yeah, because if he's a fuk up and starts lobbing lead at the nearby subdivisions which in a lot of once rural areas are now encroaching upon and surrounding some ranges, guess who gets sued and eventually run out of business? The people who own and run the range, that's who.

Sorry - taking precautions doesn't put them on par with Dick's Sporting goods who wants nobody to have guns. These ranges don't want to get sued out of existence.
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Ours does, and your right it works out beautifully. There is a waiting list, new members are only taken in the spring at the same time non paying renewals are bumped. No background checks are conducted in the sense that no NCIC or state police background like is done if you want to work in a school but they will call references if you don't have two good standing members sponsor you.
Also active competitors, ie, Highpower, f class, smallbore are given preference in the years that we are at capacity and even years we are not, there have been spots left unfilled rather than take in members known to be a pain in the ass.
The shooting community is a small one, if you cause problems one place word will spread.
That works
understand having two stand up though is just more dumbassery
Joe vouches for Johnny, then gets buddy Jeb to sign off too
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I believe that ranges built and open where one bullet over the berm
will make them close are a terribly poor business decision.
They should not even be open.


It's too much stress on the owner and on the customers.
Not worth it. And does not make enough money when customers are panicked to death and feel bad.
Folks don't come back even when they did nothing wrong.

I had an owner, of one of my ranges that I'v been going for the past 20+ years, ask me to do him a favor and place my targets LOW when I'm shooting handguns from a Rollover Prone position. He said because the range was one
bullet away from closing.

I told him that I've been doing this for more than 20 years, that he can see
I'm engaging my targets very LOW, even lower than the knuckleheads shooting standing up or on the bench. And this was at 35 yards where the berm is huge.

I told him I was going to lower them but showed him my target and the
holes in its lower end.

He should have looked at the target and where I was hitting it before
panicking and getting his panties in a wad.

After all, I'm a FALFILER elite with extensive small arms training.
Not one of these competition or civilian course BS trainee.

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After all, I'm a FALFILER elite with extensive small arms training.
Not one of these competition or civilian course BS trainee.


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I believe that ranges built and open where one bullet over the berm
will make them close are a terribly poor business decision.
They should not even be open.


It's too much stress on the owner and on the customers.
Not worth it. And does not make enough money when customers are panicked to death and feel bad.
Folks don't come back even when they did nothing wrong.

I had an owner, of one of my ranges that I'v been going for the past 20+ years, ask me to do him a favor and place my targets LOW when I'm shooting handguns from a Rollover Prone position. He said because the range was one
bullet away from closing.

I told him that I've been doing this for more than 20 years, that he can see
I'm engaging my targets very LOW, even lower than the knuckleheads shooting standing up or on the bench. And this was at 35 yards where the berm is huge.

I told him I was going to lower them but showed him my target and the
holes in its lower end.

He should have looked at the target and where I was hitting it before
panicking and getting his panties in a wad.

After all, I'm a FALFILER elite with extensive small arms training.
Not one of these competition or civilian course BS trainee.

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Addendum: One day in the same range I saw this IPSC lady shooting with stop watch, RMR and all kind of fancy shit hitting 1 foot shy from the top of the berm.

Yet no one seemed to give a shit.

BTW, she was sloooooooow as shit. But the folks that monitor the range were impressed.
All of this range procedures and BS are subjective and enforced depending on what
direction the rso dicks are swinging that day.


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The club/range that I belong to requires either background check or ccw. I donít see a problem. When I joined the club in Ď96 they didnít require it, I think they started it around 2010 or so?
Their property, their rules.
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Range here, you skate a round over the berm after a mile or two it sails another four or more into Canadian marshlands

https://wlrsc.net/

https://www.shooting.org/Ranges/Minn...rtsmen_Complex

yeah muzzle loader, archery and air rifle too
yet suburban yuppie types on the Files want to restrict all that
gotta have some permit or kiss a ring...
Great show you fuds
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They also want you to Pass a safety course.

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