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Old October 06, 2019, 22:35   #1
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Interesting rumors

ttps://twitter.com/freeHKer/status/1180810938548547584

"China banks are running out of cash in HKD and USD. Maximum withdrawal limit drop from USD1300 to USD38. A drop of 34 times. China financial doom day coming. @Jkylebass @GordonGChang @robert_spalding

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Old October 06, 2019, 23:21   #2
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Can’t they just print more like we do?
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Old October 06, 2019, 23:27   #3
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Heck I don't know if it's even true. Keeping cash away from people is pretty good control of them. Imagine if they limited your cash and how much you could spend on your debit.

Our country is making it difficult to use cash, some stores here won't even take $100 dollar bills. Close the cash machines and limit the debit cards and it won't be long until people suffer.
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Old October 07, 2019, 10:37   #4
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So if you read the reply there is good info on China and the USD. Where do you think this leads us?


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Can’t they just print more like we do?
Well, they aren't supposed to print USD. What is most interesting to me about this is it would appear folks ain't liking Yuan notes and seem to want other things, like dollars. The story isn't so much that they're running out as it is folks don't want the domestic stuff.
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No time to read the article right now but it's true, China is running out of US dollars.

China is in dire financial straits with no resolution possible for a number of reasons but the question is, what's next?
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No time to read the article right now but it's true, China is running out of US dollars.

China is in dire financial straits with no resolution possible for a number of reasons but the question is, what's next?
Yep, that IS the question isn't it ??
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The second article by FR had a good summary of China's problem. If I read it right that because China devalues the yuan they end up needing foreign currencies to buy product overseas. Not having the USD hurts their purchasing power.
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Can’t they just print more like we do?
You raise a very important point, to which the answer is no.

The reason why the United States can print money on demand is the fact that the U.S. Dollar is the world reserve currency, as established in the Bretton Woods Agreement in 1944. Although initially the U.S. Dollar was backed by Gold, Nixon took us off the Gold Standard in 1973 when West Germany and Switzerland were hedging their currencies against the U.S. Dollar and buying U.S. Gold at a discount.

Since 1973 the U.S. Dollar was a fiat currency and became the "Petro Dollar" the official currency to deal for oil with OPEC. Anyone who came up with a scheme to get around that, or find some creative way to replace the U.S. Dollar as the World Reserve Currency, was either killed or politically ruined. One exception being China and Russia decided to deal directly with one another to trade fuel directly with each other, but not OPEC.

If the U.S. Dollar looses it's status as the World Reserve Currency, inflation in the USA will be rampant and there will be no way to borrow more money from the private banking consortium, the Federal Reserve Bank, to cover the old debt and the ever growing National Debt. This is something we were warned about in the 1980's, and today Trump has to wrestle this reality whilst Globalist scum are shorting our economy and siding with the Chi Coms for their alternate view of the universe.
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You raise a very important point, to which the answer is no.

The reason why the United States can print money on demand is the fact that the U.S. Dollar is the world reserve currency, as established in the Bretton Woods Agreement in 1944. Although initially the U.S. Dollar was backed by Gold, Nixon took us off the Gold Standard in 1973 when West Germany and Switzerland were hedging their currencies against the U.S. Dollar and buying U.S. Gold at a discount.

Since 1973 the U.S. Dollar was a fiat currency and became the "Petro Dollar" the official currency to deal for oil with OPEC. Anyone who came up with a scheme to get around that, or find some creative way to replace the U.S. Dollar as the World Reserve Currency, was either killed or politically ruined. One exception being China and Russia decided to deal directly with one another to trade fuel directly with each other, but not OPEC.

If the U.S. Dollar looses it's status as the World Reserve Currency, inflation in the USA will be rampant and there will be no way to borrow more money from the private banking consortium, the Federal Reserve Bank, to cover the old debt and the ever growing National Debt. This is something we were warned about in the 1980's, and today Trump has to wrestle this reality whilst Globalist scum are shorting our economy and siding with the Chi Coms for their alternate view of the universe.
The exchange rate for the US dollar was only distantly tied to gold prior to 1973, and even then only for international transactions involving certain select entities approved by (surprise!) the US government itself. FRNs were officially not exchangeable for gold on demand by US citizens after June 5 1933. And in practice they were not exchangeable for many years prior to that, and they very probably never were in practice. This because there was never enough gold to back the dollar at $35 per ounce.

The US dollar has been a fiat currency since we quit using silver rounds in 1923. The famous 'greenbacks' first issued during the civil war were fiat, FRNs are certainly fiat and always were, not to mention Confederate dollars and Continentals. Claims to the contrary are typically made by people who for various reasons cannot or will not accept this, and they wrap this canard about a 'gold-backed' dollar in half truths and outright falsehoods. What is interesting is they can't really tell you why they push this 'gold-backed' myth or what about it is better, other than perhaps they fact that they're personally invested in it. Indeed there is at least as much evidence to support the case that tying your currency to a boat anchor, or gold as it were strangles an economy and drives investment and innovation to other, more welcoming climes.

In any case this has much more to do with the faith and confidence the customers of a currency (i.e., the planetary population) has in the issuers of a particular currency than anything else, Bretton Woods and petrodollars aside. And it would seem that the world prefers dollars to that commie shit the chicoms are hawking. Much to the consternation of some as it would appear.
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Greenbacks were the fiat that got Lincoln shot.

"Fiat" in itself isn't a bad thing: the problem with FRN is that it's being "created" (ha!) with a debt (to the Central Bank) attached - as if they had actually "loaned" us *their* money.

If Congress were printing fiat greenbacks, and there were no Fed, every person in this country would be rich. We'd have colonized the Moon and Mars not out of necessity, but sheer ingenuity and American spirit.

But we're busy paying the Rothschilds for the right to breathe their air. It's that "voluntary" thing the IRS calls income taxes...
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In any case this has much more to do with the faith and confidence the customers of a currency (i.e., the planetary population) has in the issuers of a particular currency than anything else, Bretton Woods and petrodollars aside. And it would seem that the world prefers dollars to that commie shit the chicoms are hawking. Much to the consternation of some as it would appear.
~ 1990-1992, the currency in demand in the fractured USSR was....

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..........U.S. Dollars......and Levi denim jeans.....


“When you can make jeans better than Levi’s, that will be the time to start talking about national pride,” wrote one young, disgruntled reader of Pravda. I( 1984 )
- The New York Times.


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The more 'advanced' (ha!" a society is, the more arcane the "money". If you doubt this, consider BitCoin and other electronic 'hash' codes. The fact that anonymity is important across continents proves this point again: insane speed of transactions, people needing security from state-level spying, transactions for arms, drugs, "services" of various types, etc.

The thought experiment I like to conduct is based on the following questions:

1. Is Maslow's Hierarchy informative?

2. After shelter, food & water, personal (and family/group) security, what else matters besides being able to bring those ^ same things to other people?

3. In a 10/10 grid-down emergency (you DO know something happened, like a giant earthquake or a nuclear bomb somewhere, but you do NOT know the extent of the damage or if/when the lights are coming back on...), what would you take in exchange for food, water, ammo, rifles, or anything on the list in point number 2 above?

If the answer is "Nothing", then there is no "faith" in any system or community, and therefore there is NO money. Which proves that money is 'fiat' not 'value' - it is 'fungible' only in the faith that community members attribute to the community and the "exchangeability" of it. Which is why certain shells work in some communities (and not others), and paper works in some communities (and not others), and giant stone wheels (tdb59's fave example...) work for some communities. It's a faith-based convention - nothing else.

That's the basis of a "What Is Money" question to me, because I think I would take labor-debt only (uh-oh... here comes the money question - so to speak...) if I were handing out foodstuffs in a grid-down deal. I know that some 1-day labor debt is better than others. I'd give a LOT more food for Haney addressing certain problems/opportunities for one day than I would to the local millennial video-gamer douche telling me that he would work in my garden for a day.

Here's where valuation and 'place-holder' for value-extraction / value-contribution come together. If my group were well-fed enough to help lots of people (say, 50 to 500 who had survived for a few weeks via their own preparations....), I'd take primary resources at first: timber, water rights, fuel like gas/oil/diesel/propane (scavenged, I guess...), but we'd still be in 'barter' mode at that point, wouldn't we?

Only after a piece of normalcy came back could a person take gold (or something else) as a rare, historically valuable 'marker' of debt-labor owed: a 'fungible' labor-value trade. Note that German farmers started selling eggs to the unfortunate city-dwellers who came offering gold jewelry, sterling flatware & candlesticks, etc. AFTER THE WAR WAS OVER, and some sort of awful, poverty-stricken, long-term normalcy was coming back.


If you are in a straight survival system, there is no faith. There is no money. There is only barter.

I'll go back in my corner now, but this ^ question is much more important to me than any sort of money-theory conversations OR my 'Rage Against The Machine' hatred for my Betters who have nailed the current system by buying off politicians - and therefore their Enforcement Class pension-chasers, too. I'm trying to live in two environments: the one that is going out, and the one that is coming in but hasn't arrived yet.
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Right?!?!

That's a total bonus.
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Yeah, well the other side of that equation is that if you need Haney working on your solutions then you have more complex problems than a millennial douche working in your garden will solve.😉
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Dominique Strauss-Kahn

Remember Dominique Strauss-Kahn? He was head of the UN IMF and slated to be the Secretary General of the UN. Khan was a brilliant economist and had a plan to replace the U.S. Dollar, as World Reserve Currency, with a bond market created with a basket of all world fiat currencies, to be traded with OPEC.

That plan never came to fruition after he was arrested and convicted of rape of a maid at the Softitel Hotel in NYC. Research his background and you might still find articles that allege the rape incident at the Softitel was a deep state set up. He is lucky he is still alive.

Here is a list of others that bucked the Federal Reserve System and or tried to circumvent the U.S. Dollar as World Reserve Currency:

JFK (issued U.S. Bank Notes)
Saddam Hussein (sold oil for currencies other than U.S. Dollars)
Omar Quadaffi (Ditto)

I am sure there are others if anyone cares to chime in.,,,,

Saddam had a warehouse full of US Dollars that got seized by US Forces. The American people were never told how much. Fast forward to 2008, the Market Crash prompted the Fed to bail out Banks with sums of cash that were never disclosed. Once again Congress is in the dark, and still can not get an accounting of Gold Reserves at Fort Knox, never mind how much currency the Fed pumped into the banks .Is this a case of money laundering?

The only way to "legally" get gold out of Fort Knox is to mint coin. So how many $50.00 Gold Buffalo "Nickles" were minted? Why do I need a broker to buy them? Since when did the Federal Reserve close it's doors to the public and stop allowing the people to buy T Bonds direct?

American prosperity during the post world war two economy began with Bretton Woods. The Fact that the U.S. Dollar is the World Reserve Currency supports all this crazy uncontrolled libtard spending, and then some. It will not go on forever, but if you can not see this for what it is on face value, there is nothing I can do for you and I am too far away from you to be a good barter trading partner. Good luck wherever you are, and thank you for supporting President Donald J. Trump. He is our last real chance. But I summize here when the going gets tough, the tough get going....

The Chinese economy is quickly dissolving because President Trump reversed a lot of stupid deals that his forebears entered into. It is no mystery why China did so well when America declined. The rip-off ended, and we can not blame the Chinese for taking advantage of us, but only the stupid American politicians that allowed it to happen: those who did not have a basic grasp of economic issues, sound business practice and history. The lack of U.S. Dollars in China is one symptom. The Chinese also created a construction housing bubble, with entire neighborhoods of high rises that generate no rental income because no one lives in them. Hong Kong, the most valuable real estate in the world, is now a place of political social unrest. If manufacturing in China continues to decline with a decline in exports, there will be social unrest throughout China as well. That is a perilous time for the United States because then China may go December 7th on us, in a similar bout of deparation that Japan did over oil embargos in 1941. Get it?

BTW, Silver Certificates were in circulation until 1963, Silver coin minted the same year, and Silver Certificates could be redeemed for silver bullion pellets up until 1968 at the Federal Reserve Bank in Lower Manhattan.

And now a Nobel Prize nomination: "Fracking involves a two-phase combustion process: the first phase burns borrowed money to produce oil and gas; the second burns the oil and the gas." Dmitri Orlov ---- Your'e a genius Dmitri, you have discovered perpetual motion!!!!!

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Yes. To all of that.
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The more 'advanced' (ha!" a society is, the more arcane the "money". If you doubt this, consider BitCoin and other electronic 'hash' codes. The fact that anonymity is important across continents proves this point again: insane speed of transactions, people needing security from state-level spying, transactions for arms, drugs, "services" of various types, etc.

The thought experiment I like to conduct is based on the following questions:

1. Is Maslow's Hierarchy informative?

2. After shelter, food & water, personal (and family/group) security, what else matters besides being able to bring those ^ same things to other people?

3. In a 10/10 grid-down emergency (you DO know something happened, like a giant earthquake or a nuclear bomb somewhere, but you do NOT know the extent of the damage or if/when the lights are coming back on...), what would you take in exchange for food, water, ammo, rifles, or anything on the list in point number 2 above?

If the answer is "Nothing", then there is no "faith" in any system or community, and therefore there is NO money. Which proves that money is 'fiat' not 'value' - it is 'fungible' only in the faith that community members attribute to the community and the "exchangeability" of it. Which is why certain shells work in some communities (and not others), and paper works in some communities (and not others), and giant stone wheels (tdb59's fave example...) work for some communities. It's a faith-based convention - nothing else.

That's the basis of a "What Is Money" question to me, because I think I would take labor-debt only (uh-oh... here comes the money question - so to speak...) if I were handing out foodstuffs in a grid-down deal. I know that some 1-day labor debt is better than others. I'd give a LOT more food for Haney addressing certain problems/opportunities for one day than I would to the local millennial video-gamer douche telling me that he would work in my garden for a day.

Here's where valuation and 'place-holder' for value-extraction / value-contribution come together. If my group were well-fed enough to help lots of people (say, 50 to 500 who had survived for a few weeks via their own preparations....), I'd take primary resources at first: timber, water rights, fuel like gas/oil/diesel/propane (scavenged, I guess...), but we'd still be in 'barter' mode at that point, wouldn't we?

Only after a piece of normalcy came back could a person take gold (or something else) as a rare, historically valuable 'marker' of debt-labor owed: a 'fungible' labor-value trade. Note that German farmers started selling eggs to the unfortunate city-dwellers who came offering gold jewelry, sterling flatware & candlesticks, etc. AFTER THE WAR WAS OVER, and some sort of awful, poverty-stricken, long-term normalcy was coming back.


If you are in a straight survival system, there is no faith. There is no money. There is only barter.

I'll go back in my corner now, but this ^ question is much more important to me than any sort of money-theory conversations OR my 'Rage Against The Machine' hatred for my Betters who have nailed the current system by buying off politicians - and therefore their Enforcement Class pension-chasers, too. I'm trying to live in two environments: the one that is going out, and the one that is coming in but hasn't arrived yet.

Yes!

Living in a high desert,,,,gold coins,,,or an extra 500 gallon water tank,,,,yep,,,the extra 500 gallon water tank.

Some local town living folks we know,,were telling me all about their gold coins they'd use in an emergency,,,,so I asked them how much water they got stored,,,cases came the answer,,,as in,,,2 cases of bottled water(12 oz size bottles) for a family of four.

I didn't laugh at them,,,otherwise nice folks,,just clueless.

A 500 gallon tank is going into their place behind the house this week,,,,and I showed them the LDS store on line for grub.

Couple of AR kits were ordered from PSA,,local friend the FFL dealer,,got them some lowers coming in.

We'll teach them to shoot,,,how to buy bulk ammo,,spare parts,,mags,,etc.

A lot of otherwise decent folks see things are not right,,just need some direction on how to prepare.
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This gentleman is an MD,,,wife unit,,,RNP,,,,so its a good thang all the way around for one and all.
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You may find me dead in a ditch one day, on my knees, but I will be up to my waist in spent rifle brass.

It ain't the firearms they are wanting to be rid of, its you!
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