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Old January 05, 2020, 18:09   #1
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Paging Luger Guys

I don't know much about P08s, other than I have always wanted one. This one came to me in my dad's estate and wondered if anyone could shed a little light on what I might have.

Appears to me to be numbers matching. Cal is .30 Luger. Seems clean to me for such an old pistol.

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Old January 05, 2020, 18:18   #2
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Well it’s a DWM. They typically have better machine work and less machine marks then a Erfurt. But that’s about all I know. If you are comfortable with it I would take it apart further and look for more serial numbers as these guns are heavily marked.
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Old January 05, 2020, 18:34   #3
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likely an early Commercial variant

.30s were not widely sold to military
mostly civilians and police
any markings over the chamber on the upper receiver ?
can't make out any from your pix

you know any history where he obtained it ?
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Old January 05, 2020, 19:27   #4
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likely an early Commercial variant

.30s were not widely sold to military
mostly civilians and police
any markings over the chamber on the upper receiver ?
can't make out any from your pix

you know any history where he obtained it ?
Figured it was a commercial pistol,but my P08 knowledge is pretty limited. No markings over the chamber. I'll get some better pics when I get a chance, probably be later this week though, still putting away some of the other stuff I brought home.
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Old January 05, 2020, 19:31   #5
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I also got a P38 that is not bad but not at pretty as the P08, even with both of them being commercial It'll make a cool display with the SS armband that my great uncle brought back from the war...
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Don't know that much about them, but I do know where it's brother is. Another DWM commercial in .30 Luger. Thing shoots like a laser.

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Old January 05, 2020, 22:40   #7
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post Great War a mess were also rebuilt as .30s
9mm was seen as a War round you see
a Great Uncle had one he ordered from Sears in the early 20s, a six inch
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You have a military P08 from the First World War that was rebarreled to .30 in the 20s then proofed for commercial sale. Chamber date is scrubbed and so were the military proofs on the right side of the barrel extension. It retains a military firing proof on the breach block. The military and civilian guns were serial numbered and proofed differently from DWM. Take a look at Andy2205s luger for the commercial scheme. Overall a nice Luger from a very interesting time in luger history.

I will warn anyone wanting to shoot these early (pre 1934 (read as pre-Mauser) guns much, to replace the firing pin with a fluted Mauser or reproduction fluted pin. If a primer is pierced with a non fluted pin, it usually destroys the breach block.
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I will warn anyone wanting to shoot these early (pre 1934 (read as pre-Mauser) guns much, to replace the firing pin with a fluted Mauser or reproduction fluted pin. If a primer is pierced with a non fluted pin, it usually destroys the breach block.
Hey! Thanks much for the info on the Luger! I don't shoot mine much, it's part of a trio of German pistols I own. C96, P08 and P38.
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Old January 06, 2020, 08:24   #11
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You have a military P08 from the First World War that was rebarreled to .30 in the 20s then proofed for commercial sale. Chamber date is scrubbed and so were the military proofs on the right side of the barrel extension. It retains a military firing proof on the breach block. The military and civilian guns were serial numbered and proofed differently from DWM. Take a look at Andy2205s luger for the commercial scheme. Overall a nice Luger from a very interesting time in luger history.

I will warn anyone wanting to shoot these early (pre 1934 (read as pre-Mauser) guns much, to replace the firing pin with a fluted Mauser or reproduction fluted pin. If a primer is pierced with a non fluted pin, it usually destroys the breach block.
Aaaaand THIS is exactly why I love it here. The knowledge base is incredible.

Thank you much for the info Milsurp!

I'll be sure to check the firing pin as I really do want to shoot this.

Any recommendations on a good handload for these?
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Nice looking pistol Andy!
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Aaaaand THIS is exactly why I love it here. The knowledge base is incredible.

Thank you much for the info Milsurp!

I'll be sure to check the firing pin as I really do want to shoot this.

Any recommendations on a good handload for these?
I don’t have a load for .30, I just don’t shoot it enough to load for it. If your pin is original it will be the solid type, an occasional shooter would probably be fine, especially using hard primers, but it only takes one piercing to take out the breach on what is now over a hundred year old pistol. The numrich repops are fluted, as well as the pins from Jack First. All original Mauser pins are fluted as well, but they are getting pricey.
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I had no idea about the firing pins,,thank you.
Ive an american eagle 30 I shoot only on rare occasion,,,but damaging it would be heart breaking..
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Nice pistol. There are two forums that you should check out. The luger forums and the P38 or forums. Lots of useful info and helpful folks.
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Check out SIMPSON'S in Galesburg, IL. They are somewhere on the netweb. He probably has one of the largest Luger collections in the world as well as other military firearms.

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I have a Mauser-made 1940 P-08- from the above info it looks like this would have the "fluted FP". Is this correct? Not that I shoot it much, it's more of a safe-queen for sale down the road.. but still.. thanks, Dun
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Check out SIMPSON'S in Galesburg, IL. They are somewhere on the netweb. He probably has one of the largest Luger collections in the world as well as other military firearms.

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I could spend hours on that site....even more hours than I have already. Raised some questions about a postwar P38 that I got as well....Thanks for the heads-up!
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I have a Mauser-made 1940 P-08- from the above info it looks like this would have the "fluted FP". Is this correct? Not that I shoot it much, it's more of a safe-queen for sale down the road.. but still.. thanks, Dun
Yes. Below is a fluted pin from a 1937 Mauser, and a non fluted from a 1906 DWM AE (same pin as the imperial era P08). What you have to remember is that these pistols were very early in the evolution of automatics. It took reports of primer rupture failures from a massive conflict like WW1 to see and understand that even a small pistol needs a way to deal with escaping gasses from a pierced primer. Since the effects rarely affected to shooter, all they had to do was prevent the pressure from damaging the block, simple flutes implemented when Mauser acquired the production was the simple answer.

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I had no idea about the firing pins,,thank you.
Ive an american eagle 30 I shoot only on rare occasion,,,but damaging it would be heart breaking..
My second cousin ended up with my Grandfathers American Eagle 30.
If you don’t mind me asking, Generally speaking, what is one in 70-80% condition worth nowadays? Hoping $1500, thinking a good bit higher though
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My second cousin ended up with my Grandfathers American Eagle 30.
If you don’t mind me asking, Generally speaking, what is one in 70-80% condition worth nowadays? Hoping $1500, thinking a good bit higher though
Depends entirely on model and condition. The American Eagle .30 can be a model 1900, 1902, 1906, 1908... barrel length, matching numbers, finish, all play a part. Almost impossible to give a value estimate on a luger without a good set of pics. One mismatch part can literally mean all the difference.
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I could spend hours on that site....even more hours than I have already. Raised some questions about a postwar P38 that I got as well....Thanks for the heads-up!
Well, wait until you visit them. They have a gun library/museum in the back. The do not show everyone but since I was a "regular" and had made friends with the guys at the counter, eventually they showed me around. It's amazing.

They have "map shelves/cabinets" that have the pistols in drawers, separated by make, country, years, plus racks of various military rifles; probably one of the largest non-public museum firearm collections in the world, outside of Brother PACO's in Belgium.

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