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Old January 25, 2020, 00:05   #1
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China overtakes the US As The World's Major Trading Partner

Yet another sign that the Thug Empire is in decline.
Wonder how much of this has to do with moving away from the sanction happy, we run the world or else thug tactics??

In 2018, trade accounted for 59% of global GDP, up nearly 1.5 times since 1980.

Over this timeframe, international trade has transformed significantly - not just in terms of volume and composition, but also in terms of the countries that the rest of the world leans on for their most important trade relationships.

Now, a critical shift is occurring in the landscape, and it may surprise you to learn that China has already usurped the U.S. as the world’s most dominant trading partner.

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitic...rading-partner




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Old January 25, 2020, 00:23   #2
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That's only because they have more people to enslave than we do. We need to allow more illegal immigrants in and up our game.
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Old January 25, 2020, 06:49   #3
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As I see it our head "thug" is in the middle of bitch slapping the Chinese after 30 years of letting them screw the pooch, we being the pooch.
You live too high up in your head jaunni,,, in my opinion.
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Old January 25, 2020, 10:01   #5
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Well, juanni, this will happen every time a communist nation is able to equip itself with the best technology without ever having to spend a dime on research and development. Combine that with unlimited slave labor, lack of any environmental oversight or red tape, accountability for anything, and yes, you can build an incredible economy. It's secret is known as THEFT, all thanks to the klintons. Communists can't innovate anything but misery, once the theft stops they'll be left in the dust again. Think Cuba, Venezuela, etc. They're already sitting in air and water so dirty and disease ridden its killing them.
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Old January 25, 2020, 10:19   #6
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Well, juanni, this will happen every time a communist nation is able to equip itself with the best technology without ever having to spend a dime on research and development. Combine that with unlimited slave labor, lack of any environmental oversight or red tape, accountability for anything, and yes, you can build an incredible economy. It's secret is known as THEFT, all thanks to the klintons. Communists can't innovate anything but misery, once the theft stops they'll be left in the dust again. Think Cuba, Venezuela, etc. They're already sitting in air and water so dirty and disease ridden its killing them.
There is a lot of truth to that, but you left out a lot.

Nixon is the one, along with Henry K that moved toward China to pull it away from the USSR.
That has continued ever since with the exportation of jobs and the tech that goes with it to China, Most Favored Trade status and all the rest.
Both parties supported that.

But don't think for a minute that the Chinese can't develop tech on their own, the same was said about post WWII Japan.
They are cranking out engineers and scientists while we are cranking out graduates with worthless degrees buried under a pile of student loans.





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Old January 25, 2020, 11:28   #8
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There is a lot of truth to that, but you left out a lot.

Nixon is the one, along with Henry K that moved toward China to pull it away from the USSR.
That has continued ever since with the exportation of jobs and the tech that goes with it to China, Most Favored Trade status and all the rest.
Both parties supported that.

But don't think for a minute that the Chinese can't develop tech on their own, the same was said about post WWII Japan.
They are cranking out engineers and scientists while we are cranking out graduates with worthless degrees buried under a pile of student loans.

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Aaaand, how many Asian countries send students over here to study at our universities (mostly STEM fields). How many extend their stays so they can work in our high tech businesses. How many take that education/information home. The culture of innovation and exceptionalism is steeped in our DNA. Not so much in totalitarian cultures.
They can copy, duplicate, replicate and refine but they can't innovate.
Japan vs China is apples and oranges.
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They can copy, duplicate, replicate and refine but they can't innovate.
Japan vs China is apples and oranges.
Keep telling yourself that.
All the way down.....


We used to be the world's largest manufacturer, China is now.
We used to be the world's largest economy, China is now.
We used to be the world's largest trading partner, China is now.
We used to the world's largest creditor, now the world's largest debtor.





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There is a lot of truth to that, but you left out a lot.

Nixon is the one, along with Henry K that moved toward China to pull it away from the USSR.
That has continued ever since with the exportation of jobs and the tech that goes with it to China, Most Favored Trade status and all the rest.
Both parties supported that.

But don't think for a minute that the Chinese can't develop tech on their own, the same was said about post WWII Japan.
They are cranking out engineers and scientists while we are cranking out graduates with worthless degrees buried under a pile of student loans.





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This is true, Nixon wanted new trading turf. Kissinger had his own agenda, but the klintons put the wholesale theft of technology thing into high gear. Yes commies can produce engineers but when all is said and done communists can't innovate anything. They have to steal it first, it's the nature of the beast. Yes they are now the manufacturing giant in the world. Because no private company (or even a government) can compete with slave labor. It really is that simple.
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Keep telling yourself that.
All the way down.....


We used to be the world's largest manufacturer, China is now. Cheap labor copying our manufacturing processes
We used to be the world's largest economy, China is now. Lots of cheap labor. Sending us stuff for our money.
We used to be the world's largest trading partner, China is now. Cheap labor yields cheaper products for the masses
We used to the world's largest creditor, now the world's largest debtor. Politicians for sale to big business(Crony Capitalism). The bottom line is more important than what right for the country.

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They are great at copying and refining, but creativity out of R&D is minimal.
Also, the number of H1B visas and other politically correct hiring practices have driven the salaries of citizen engineers down drastically.
Only a few very talented engineers get the big bucks. The rest of the development teams wages are much lower and most of them are H1Bs.
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My Dad was telling me, my nephew is at U of I Urbana-Champaign and the place is chok full of kids from China !

Also how can we be a leader in trade when we don't make anything anymore?
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Old January 25, 2020, 13:16   #13
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A heretofore economic theory was tried by Nixon, but the devil was in the details and we trusted but did not verify,,, Trump trick phucks folks into making everyone think he will make them rich,,, he only gives them the opportunity.
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Quality of life!

It might also be about exploitation - US population 320Million plus, China 1.4Million plus.
China might be considered a Slave nation, set up by the Banks/cartels of the West!
Ultimately might it really be about standards of living - the quality of life, and sustainability? - I'd rather live in a Country that has higher standards of life, and living, than to be a simple top trader - and that Country for me is America!

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2016/...uality-of-life

But thats all open to interpretation!
I don't know of anyone that wants to move to China - it has been quite obvious how many tho' want to come to the States!

Certainly if the wishes of many - that we closed all our 'bases' overseas, and consolidation the Homeland, all those resources would have to be redirected - away from the MIC, and globalism.
Then much as the drug cartels of Mexico are finding, that the USMC trade deal - has forced them into more legitimate industry(construction, farming etc....).
As, it was also with the US 'mafias' entered legitimate businesses, to stay current - Darwinian?
Then again there is that old 'Business cycle' thing of 'boom and bust'! Life goes on, and you go where you look! Smile, it's all really OK - Trump will win, it's all really fine!
After all isn't true Conservatism based on in part - waste not, want not.
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Old January 25, 2020, 15:49   #15
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Also, the number of H1B visas and other politically correct hiring practices have driven the salaries of citizen engineers down drastically.
Only a few very talented engineers get the big bucks. The rest of the development teams wages are much lower and most of them are H1Bs.
True why go into STEM when the money is not there partially from the importation of cheap H1Bs.

Boeing was using $9 hr Indian software programmers on H1Bs across the street from the Boing plant the 737 DiveMax.

Both parties, and by extension 98% of voters support this.




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As long as you disregard the environment, use slave labor, steal patented material, and have a bunch of consumers that don't care where their stuff comes from (as long as it is cheaper), you can have a stronger economy, temporarily.
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They are cranking out engineers and scientists while we are cranking out graduates with worthless degrees buried under a pile of student loans.
We can and do still turn out good engineers...however the university system has mastered fleecing the stupid as a revenue stream.
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More bullshit and false propaganda, cherry picked from the mosque.

The collapsing economy in China and our Tariffs, have brought China to its knees, and it remains to be seen if they honor the agreements, which they will not.

We are taking mfg back and it will take 10 years to do it.


Short sighted minds, ignoring the Trump economy, does not make truth or facts.

Trump just got started. Obama and Juanni had 8 years to destroy our economy and to insititute Islam here, but they both failed.
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Resources are finite in relation to the number of those using them,,, scourges are a blessing to those who survive them as resources dwindle,,, our most effective population control is our mass of resources, that causes obesity that kills us,,, we are racing toward a tipping point with open borders and unzipped britches .
As my Vietnamese storekeeper friend used to say before he caught cancer "gluck you",,, 1st time I heard him say it I was about grab him up by his stacking swivel and said "what did you say"?
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Shit...we started "engaging" with the Peoples Liberation Army back in the late sixties when we put of a series of listening stations in Mongolia and shared intel with Beijing on the Soviets
Goes back well before Nixon

We have been importing Chinese students since the late 70s, by the 80s we had like a thousand in the University of Minnesota, I lived with these people

Truth be told, China is no longer a Communist system
the Soviets never were

I really tire of this blather of "slave" labor
Shit, America does the same damn' thing
look into UNICORP
that's straight convict labor to fulfill private sector military contracts
who the hell you think actually makes BDUs for the DoD
Patriot missile wiring harnesses were assembled with convict labor
plenty of DRML scrapping is ran through American corrections

I'm not judging either
frankly Convicts need an income and to develop a work ethic rather than just three hots & a cot

The PRC has well over a billion people, today very few are Convict slave labor out of that number
The Cultural Revolution is gone with Mao decades ago
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Makes you wonder? The US has some 800 overseas bases, some 200,000 military service members overseas in over 100 country's (these number vary depending on source). China maintains no overseas military presence. Could it be that China has become the world's major trading partner because they export business rather than gunboats and invasion?
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China has military presence in Africa and other places.

But yeah, they're currently a "threat" rather than "hot" to their trading partners.
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Main difference between China and the US is to them short term is 5 years, while American companies only care about next quarter earnings, their employees and customers be damned. And many American politicians just care about looking good during elections.

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Nixon is the one, along with Henry K that moved toward China to pull it away from the USSR.
Er, wasn't that after the Chinese and Soviets has a Schism and who has to Real Communism and then went to a border war against each other?
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Er, wasn't that after the Chinese and Soviets has a Schism and who has to Real Communism and then went to a border war against each other?
Yes a little border spat resulting in 200 or so deaths.

Nixon and Kissinger exploited the rift between China and Russia to pull China into Western influence by opening trade and eventually through successive R & D govts exporting millions of good US jobs, ending US manufacturing dominance and building the Chinese economic powerhouse.


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I am hopeful that the chinese students/spies go back home and destroy the system from within.

Chinese Red Army thugs are here one for ten, watching the students and visitors.
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Tin foil alert and probably completely right.

Why do you think they released the coronavirus they stole from the Canadian lab? The exact scenario, Event 201 through John Hopkins Institute these globalists played out in Nov 2019 was exactly what we are seeing now happening before us. A coronavirus going global and eventually destroying their competitors economies world wide. They estimated eighteen months before the virus burned itself out but by then China would have already endured the first wave and would be into the recovery stage. Why? Because they have the population numbers that they can take a hit and would be poised to take up manufacturing leading the world economically. At that point the US would no longer be in position to impose sanctions as our markets would have already tanked.


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I personally think that the Chinese let this coronavirus out of one of their bio weapons labs on purpose as an economic / strategic gambit. Partially because Trump was getting the upper hand with them. They have too many people anyway so if 300,000,000 of them die its no big deal. If 50,000,000 Americans are wiped out it will devastate us politically, socially, and economically. I believe they would do anything to prevent Trump from winning the 2020 election.
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Tin foil alert and probably completely right.

Why do you think they released the coronavirus they stole from the Canadian lab? The exact scenario, Event 201 through John Hopkins Institute these globalists played out in Nov 2019 was exactly what we are seeing now happening before us. A coronavirus going global and eventually destroying their competitors economies world wide. They estimated eighteen months before the virus burned itself out but by then China would have already endured the first wave and would be into the recovery stage. Why? Because they have the population numbers that they can take a hit and would be poised to take up manufacturing leading the world economically. At that point the US would no longer be in position to impose sanctions as our markets would have already tanked.


https://hub.jhu.edu/2019/11/06/event...alth-security/
Yeah, I wouldn't take any bets at all against that one.
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There must be a vaccine to cure or prevent death from exposure to this corona virus for the Plan 201 to have been executed deliberately by the Chicoms or any sane group.

Why would they release it knowing that they themselves would die and not be around to rule afterwards?

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Why would they release it knowing that they themselves would die and not be around to rule afterwards?
Oh sure, bring logic into the discussion.




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Why would they release it knowing that they themselves would die and not be around to rule afterwards?

Because bio weapons engineers know with a fair degree of accuracy and projection models how much of a population will be culled by a targeted release of a virus?

These weapons arent meant to wipe out the human race or even the entire enemys population. They are designed to paralyse and cripple their ability to do anything like wage war...be it economic or military.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jackkel.../#79be62813991
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Chinks and Germans like wally shit too. Chinks are out of facemasks for now. Germans are out of options as well
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Resources are finite in relation to the number of those using them,,, scourges are a blessing to those who survive them as resources dwindle,,, our most effective population control is our mass of resources, that causes obesity that kills us,,, we are racing toward a tipping point with open borders and unzipped britches .
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