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Old May 26, 2020, 16:44   #1
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MSAR is always far lower

Is there a big reason that these AUG's fetch way less money than the new Steyr built ones.
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Old May 26, 2020, 17:37   #2
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Might be the lack of spare parts. My understanding is these were reverse engineered. There are no spare parts available. Steyr parts reportedly do not fit. They had 4 generations in the short production life. Some Microtech rifles would accept and feed from Steyr mags, but that was the exception. The Gen 4 stocked rifles took standard STANAG magazines. M16. They even had problems with the optics. Pete at PJS can elaborate more.
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Old May 26, 2020, 17:44   #3
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Because they are 'AUG' like, and not true AUGs. They are also no longer manufactured, while AUGs are, and there is easy access for spare parts and upgrades.

Although Steyr mags will fit in an MSAR, the MSAR mags require a slight mod to work in an AUG, also parts/components are not interchangeable between the two, I.E. barrels.

If you google search some queries, they can provide more info.

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Old May 28, 2020, 06:50   #4
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I had three Augs in another country and I loved them. I did very well in service matches. I had the special receiver and I mounted an Elcan. Sold them all before I moved to the USA.
I suspected there are something funny about the MSAR. Thanks for the info.
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Old May 28, 2020, 09:14   #5
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My msar stg-556 had a bad factory optic that they would not look at or replace. Something about not being able to work on those anymore...
Final straw was that I noticed the bolt & bolt sleeve was damaging & peening the trunnion. Read on ar15.com that it was a common problem & the factory “fix” was to only just machine/grind the damage off.

Ar15.com bullpup section had a ton of info & posts about tons of problems.
Search “msar aug problems” and majority of posts are from the 2008-2014 timeline.

Stay away. Parts were intentionally redimensioned so they would not be compatible with the scores of AUG parts & was to make you dependent on microtech for everything.
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Old May 28, 2020, 13:23   #6
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I had three Augs in another country and I loved them. I did very well in service matches. I had the special receiver and I mounted an Elcan. Sold them all before I moved to the USA.
I suspected there are something funny about the MSAR. Thanks for the info.
I too left Canada, but by way of Australia, ending up in the US for good 6 yrs back, and ya, now live'n the dream in a pro-gun state. I sold off my ' bad guns' before I left 25 yrs ago, but imported the other 'milsurps' and commercials with sentimental value I had in LTS from Canada. A bit of bureaucratic nightmare, but got it done a few years ago.

I bought an AUG here for nostalgia, as I carried one for 18 yrs in Australia, and a couple other shithole countries in the Middle East they sent me to.

Hope you kept your Elcans
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Old May 28, 2020, 18:17   #7
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It's because they are substandard clones of the AUG. If you want an AUG, you're going to have to buy an AUG... Not an inferior rifle that resembles one!
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My msar stg-556 had a bad factory optic that they would not look at or replace. Something about not being able to work on those anymore...
Final straw was that I noticed the bolt & bolt sleeve was damaging & peening the trunnion. Read on ar15.com that it was a common problem & the factory “fix” was to only just machine/grind the damage off.

Ar15.com bullpup section had a ton of info & posts about tons of problems.
Search “msar aug problems” and majority of posts are from the 2008-2014 timeline.

Stay away. Parts were intentionally redimensioned so they would not be compatible with the scores of AUG parts & was to make you dependent on microtech for everything.
And the plastic mag catch, that bends rather than releasing the mag. Promoted Pawn has a reinforced resin part that I’m going try. Also bought the rail replacement back then, to swap out the jacked up optic, so I can still use functional optic on it. Tony Mariphone (Microtech asshole owner) really screwed over a lot of people. I’m glad he lost his gun business, he should stick to his overpriced, fragile knives that suck balls.
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Old June 05, 2020, 11:31   #9
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FYI I own a MSAR runs fine, never gave me a problem. Guess I got a good one.

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At a time when the Steyr Aug was impossible to find along with the lack of availability of any decent bullpup type rifle, the MSAR was a neat alternative. My biggest complaint was the proprietary 3-pin driver needed to do any armorer level disassembly work on the rifle. MSAR did at one point replace the plastic mag catch that was bending under warranty.

IIRC MSAR had multiple issues unrelated to the gun itself, that caused production delays etc.. I believe this included moving their production facility to another state, after taking business development grant money from the prior state which caused some very serious financial / legal issues for the company.
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At a time when the Steyr Aug was impossible to find along with the lack of availability of any decent bullpup type rifle, the MSAR was a neat alternative. My biggest complaint was the proprietary 3-pin driver needed to do any armorer level disassembly work on the rifle. MSAR did at one point replace the plastic mag catch that was bending under warranty.

IIRC MSAR had multiple issues unrelated to the gun itself, that caused production delays etc.. I believe this included moving their production facility to another state, after taking business development grant money from the prior state which caused some very serious financial / legal issues for the company.
I actually found the 3 pin driver at BladeHQ, along with a resin reinforced mag catch (Promoted Pawn), just need to swap it out. I was really wanting 9mm MCS they were touting, but vaporware. But yeah, Steyr just murdered MSAR when they came back to the US.
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Because one is real and one is a copy.
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I thought there was another US company (Vltor?) which made a receiver and then Steyr liked it and made that the official receiver for the US market.
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I thought there was another US company (Vltor?) which made a receiver and then Steyr liked it and made that the official receiver for the US market.
Thought that Was Saber Industries, who also got into trouble with the ATF because of off the book machine guns?
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It's because they are substandard clones of the AUG. If you want an AUG, you're going to have to buy an AUG... Not an inferior rifle that resembles one!
Yep about eight to ten years ago a local shop sold the MSAR clones and they had lots of issues and many were sent back. If you want an AUG buy a real one.
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Thought that Was Saber Industries, who also got into trouble with the ATF because of off the book machine guns?
https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/.../vltor-aug-a3/

I do like the cons in the article:

1. "Threaded some oddball metric thread." i.e. Not AR
2. "Oddball magazines." i.e. not AR
3. "Can dig into your hand if you are not careful." i.e. Not follow AR manual of arms, therefore, impossible to use.
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A lot of parts are interchangeable but not the important ones like barrel. If you plan to buy a MSAR shoot it first. I got lucky the one I got had all the updates including the metal mag release and a bunch of hard to get parts.. Mine shoots and works great but without a source for barrels I don't shoot it much. I got a real good buy but I will not buy another. If you want AUG buy a AUG unless you just want it to collect Bullpup rifles.
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Old June 27, 2020, 22:40   #18
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I bought a NIB Steyr USR years ago. It's a keeper.
I've read only 1500 were imported. I paid way, way too much for it.
I like that it has the heavy barrel. It's accurate, but I don't have an AUG to compare it to.
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Bought both (Sold two Msars, kept the one Steyr) and Steyr wins every time
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How different are the barrels where it really counts, the locking tabs?
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Old July 03, 2020, 22:06   #21
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I bought a NIB Steyr USR years ago. It's a keeper.
I've read only 1500 were imported. I paid way, way too much for it.
I like that it has the heavy barrel. It's accurate, but I don't have an AUG to compare it to.
I own a USR and it's a great rifle. I also like the Australian heavy barrel.
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