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Old January 06, 2020, 23:52   #1
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WTB: Imbel Para Folding Stock

Hello all, I am looking for an Imbel Para Folding Stock. The complete assembly. The rest of my 50.62 clone build is Imbel and I'd like the folding stock to be as well. Willing to buy a complete Imbel lower in good condition if need be.
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Old January 07, 2020, 08:49   #2
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You might be waiting forever on that one homey they hardly exist bring your check book too if one does happen to fall out of the sky I suggest using a brand new dsa para stock assembly it's one of the few things they made well and have even improved them over the years super solid and affordable just sayin
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Old January 07, 2020, 09:36   #3
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You'd be as well buying a complete 50.62 (or Imbel/Springfield import) and sell the rest of your parts to put towards the cost.
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Old January 07, 2020, 21:14   #4
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not overly familiar with paras.....what differentiates an Imbel from others?

I might know where one is
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.......tooooooooo late; sold my last complete Imbel conversion kit before Christmas. Don't hold your breath until another comes along; maybe one every year or three...they were never in high availability after Rav's parts sold out almost 20 years back.

AND very expensive. The complete conversion I sold went for $800+.

You are building a "clone"; use the DSA folding block and stock tubes - they are better "pattern" being closer to the Belgian in appearance, not the simplified milling on the Imbel. They are likely the best imitation FAL parts DSA makes other than the odd little thing here and there. You'll save a bunch, and be shooting a lot quicker than waiting around for a real Imbel to appear.

Good luck. Simply my advice, do with it as you choose.
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Old January 08, 2020, 04:31   #6
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You'd be as well buying a complete 50.62 (or Imbel/Springfield import) and sell the rest of your parts to put towards the cost.
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Canít say I am in agreement here. With all due respect Graham
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Old January 08, 2020, 10:29   #7
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Canít say I am in agreement here. With all due respect Graham
I don't know.....what is a 50.62 going for nowadays, if you can find one ?

I snagged a Springfield/Imbel Pre-Ban SAR48 about a year ago from a Member here. I was not interested in it, other than just watching it, as it seemed decently priced but several members were all over the seller about his price and a couple of issues the gun had.

Nothing serious; Seller had put a DSA Extended Top Rail on it and the stock had been replaced with a collapsible Magpul. Good news is, seller still had the original parts, put the original Top Cover on it but was having an issue removing the Retaining Bolt to re-install the original Folding Stock (well known issue).

Anyway, he explained the Stock issue in his post and continued to get beat up about his selling price. Through this, he had dropped the price considerably and one Member said he should also include shipping, which he did. I started to feel sorry for the guy, which kept me interested in his attempted sale.

The shameful part of this is, all the bitchin' & moanin', yet nobody offered to buy it. Then suddenly with the price as low as it was, another Member hit the button and it was gone. Yeah...right...nope, it popped up again, as the sale had hit a snag.

Now I'm interested, simply because of the price....PM'd the seller, made an offer, which he refused and bought it at his latest asking price.....without hesitation, I might add.. He included the DSA Top Cover and (attached) MagPul Stock.

My FFL is a Smith, had him put his Impact Wrench on the Stock Retaining Bolt and re-install the original Folding Stock.

This is a damn fine Para, not a mark on it and to top it off, I sold the DSA Top Rail & MagPul Stock for $200; so taking that off the total cost, I made out like a bandit !!
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Old January 08, 2020, 13:14   #8
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How does one ID an Imbel para stock assembly? I have an imbel para, stock appears to be surplus.
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Old January 08, 2020, 13:30   #9
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How does one ID an Imbel para stock assembly? I have an imbel para, stock appears to be surplus.
Good question......the only thing I can say is, Belgium, Argy & Imbel all appear the same to me, modeled after the original Belgium Folder.

Unlike DSA; the fitment at the folding knuckles are much closer in tolerance/fit than DSA.
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Old January 08, 2020, 16:49   #10
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Hi Apec the stock assembly's like the mags and many other parts made by fn,argy and imbel can be super difficult to truly ID because of a lack of proof marks on those and many other parts!!! Perhaps some senior members can chime in with clues to properly ID such parts without proofs!!! It can be a real pain in the ass because one doesn't really know the country of origin without a proof mark and prices vary say between Belgium argentina and Brazil esp with rare parts such as para complete stock assemblies???? Then there's the whole South African /RA story to contend with as well which in recent times because of inflated values have encouraged the forging of parts with electric pencils and claiming them to be SA/RA original parts when sometimes they are not??? What to do???
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Old January 08, 2020, 17:37   #11
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The Imbel will lack the lightening cuts inside of the buttplate between the tubes and the lightening cuts at the wrist where the tubes meet it in the front. They will usually have the little lever on the underside that has to be activated to fold the stock. That is the best way to quickly identify a possible Imbel Para Stock imported by Rav at The Dealer Warehouse.
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The Imbel will lack the lightening cuts inside of the buttplate between the tubes and the lightening cuts at the wrist where the tubes meet it in the front. They will usually have the little lever on the underside that has to be activated to fold the stock. That is the best way to quickly identify a possible Imbel Para Stock imported by Rav at The Dealer Warehouse.
But don't the Belgy Folders have the same button on the underside too ?
If you have a spare, I'm in need of one, with the center axle for a Belgy I have.
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Old January 08, 2020, 18:13   #13
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But don't the Belgy Folders have the same button on the underside too ?
If you have a spare, I'm in need of one, with the center axle for a Belgy I have.
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Yes, but the Belgians have the lightening cuts and the Imbels typically don't.
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Old January 08, 2020, 18:55   #14
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Yes, but the Belgians have the lightening cuts and the Imbels typically don't.

This is interesting info.
Did the Argentinians make their own folders?
If so, w/ lightening cuts?
And any way to tell from Imbel or FN?
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Old January 08, 2020, 19:03   #15
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This is interesting info.
Did the Argentinians make their own folders?
If so, w/ lightening cuts?
And any way to tell from Imbel or FN?
It's been a long time since I've seen an Argentine, but as I remember they had the lightening cuts and the folder lock button. I don't know if the Argentines made them or contracted them?
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.......tooooooooo late; sold my last complete Imbel conversion kit before Christmas. Don't hold your breath until another comes along; maybe one every year or three...they were never in high availability after Rav's parts sold out almost 20 years back.

AND very expensive. The complete conversion I sold went for $800+.
You sold it cheap. I paid about that 5 years ago from Lee
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Old January 08, 2020, 20:08   #17
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Here is a link to photo of IMBEL para stock sold in 2004.

https://www.gunauction.com/buy/5440999

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Here is a link to photo of IMBEL para stock sold in 2004.

https://www.gunauction.com/buy/5440999

Circled area is a lightening cut?
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Circled area is a lightening cut?
Circled area is where a lightening cut would be on a non Imbel stock. That is an Imbel and there is no lightening cut present.
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Missing selector
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Petty sure itís Imbel. Semi auto lower for SAR48 para conversion was my understanding when I purchased it. Please correct me if I am wrong?
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Hello all, I am looking for an Imbel Para Folding Stock.
There is a member here named Mad Max (or some variation of that name) selling DSA folders for below DSA retail price, which will be fairly close and a heckuva lot cheaper and faster to acquire than you will find an actual Imbel.

If you want to be a perfectionist with only an Imbel being acceptable, then I definitely understand that logic too. I am that way on some things, but not on others.

If you don't need perfect, or just want a "placeholder" folder until you do find an Imbel, you might want to search out his stuff. You can always sell the "placeholder" DSA stock when you do find the "real McCoy".

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Petty sure it’s Imbel. Semi auto lower for SAR48 para conversion was my understanding when I purchased it. Please correct me if I am wrong?
Def Imbel... man I'd love to know where that kit came from, I'd [nearly] kill for one

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Missing selector
Guessing they intended one to use the lever from the original rifle, when converting?
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I somehow acquired a DSA Folder and the thing I couldn't tolerate was the fit between the front and rear knuckles.

Take a look at the photo above and see how well the knuckles go together.
Argy & Belgy/FN are the same.....like a jigsaw puzzle piece.

Not DSA....still, for the money (as many have said), the DSA is not a bad bang for the buck !!
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Circled area is where a lightening cut would be on a non Imbel stock. That is an Imbel and there is no lightening cut present.
Got it. Thanks.
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Is this what you are looking for?


TDW Imbel conversion kit from the early 90's.....I take it you didnt also buy one of the new, unnumbered para barrels they had available with them too ?
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Lots of good info from my past thread,
https://www.falfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=442261

Great info from the members here
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$800 is a bargain imo.

I still have 3 of those complete excellent condition,

Attached to rifles ive never shot since they were built.. It may be just me but i wouldn't dream of parting with those GEN-U-INE Imbel PARA Parts kits for anything less than $1500 a set,... seems high but i know i will Never See Them Again.


ALSO

IIRC/ As far as i know,

The run of the mill IMBEL *PARA KIT* we all know and love that RAV sold etc never came with *selectors* that ive ever seen, (and i've probly owned 10-15 or so sets over the years)

Anyways, hows it going Womper and D. Lehrman ? still hanging out around these parts ?

The young bloods haven't chased ya guys off yet i take it

Any of the old guard still hang out ? been awhile for me, thought id come in for a check up..
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$800 is a bargain imo.

I still have 3 of those complete excellent condition,

Attached to rifles ive never shot since they were built.. It may be just me but i wouldn't dream of parting with those GEN-U-INE Imbel PARA Parts kits for anything less than $1500 a set,... seems high but i know i will Never See Them Again.


ALSO

IIRC/ As far as i know,

The run of the mill IMBEL *PARA KIT* we all know and love that RAV sold etc never came with *selectors* that ive ever seen, (and i've probly owned 10-15 or so sets over the years)

Anyways, hows it going Womper and D. Lehrman ? still hanging out around these parts ?

The young bloods haven't chased ya guys off yet i take it

Any of the old guard still hang out ? been awhile for me, thought id come in for a check up..
Pics or it didnít happen. So, your part kit rifles would be 6k?
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$1500 WoW

I only paid a little more than that for my Pre-Ban Imbel/Springfield SAR48 Para, just a year ago.

(yeah, I know....stole it !!).
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Imbel para lowers

The Imbel para Lowers were stripped of internal parts,But DID include the selector lever. The butt plate was of the later model that was solid no curvature on either side.
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Here is the original ad from the Shotgun News. No selector included, but available separately.
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img923/2125/xJkEIR.jpg

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[/IMG]Here is the original ad from the Shotgun News. No selector included, but available separately.
[IMG=https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/150x100q90/923/xJkEIR.jpg][/IMG]
Absolute Post of the year. Hell of a pull.
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Absolute Post of the year. Hell of a pull.
Check out the para barrel price.
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Yep,

I can affirm they DID NOT come with the selector. I remember because I ordered a large amount of parts from RAV when those Imbel Folder kits came out. Basically two NOS rifles worth of parts with the exception of the lower internals and bolt.

My wife was quite unhappy with that months credit card bill.

I don't regret it a bit though.

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Shotgun News, That's like back when we had pay phones and such....
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Does this get at it?
Any other distinguishing attributes?

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Does this get at it?
Any other distinguishing attributes?

I'm not too sure that I agree with the Argy not having lightening cuts, but hey, it's a chart and you can't argue with a chart. I seem to remember the Argies that I've handled in the past having them, but my memory isn't what it used to be.
Quite a few here with lightening cuts:https://www.google.com/search?q=arge...=1578608048878
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The Argentines used the Belgian pattern on the folding hinge and a somewhat simplified buttplate minus the extra attachment hole the commercial 50.63s and issue M3s used. (What's that hole for anyhow?)

They are in some points cruder manufacturing as compared the Belgians. Rougher castings, but in almost all points about as good as these get. They used the full lightening cuts at the hinge block and the latching button to "prevent" accidental closure of the stock. Don't care a lot for their cast para lowers, but that's correct as well. All but the very earliest of the Argies weren't the folded steel lower.







Pics are my own but I didn't have time to do more than drag it under some light.

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I'm not too sure that I agree with the Argy not having lightening cuts, but hey, it's a chart and you can't argue with a chart. I seem to remember the Argies that I've handled in the past having them, but my memory isn't what it used to be.
Quite a few here with lightening cuts:https://www.google.com/search?q=arge...=1578608048878
Actually I'm hoping that folks do just that, argue with the chart. Good feedback between you and Mr Lehrman. Will change chart.
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Pics are getting better.....how long have you owned that Argy & where did you snag it from ?
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I prefer the lighting cuts, but want a SAR 48. I guess I'll chase an Argy too someday.

Great pics everyone!
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Im sure glad I only bought one of those Imbel para kits and new barrels back then....
When thinking that same money could have bought like 8 beat up Imbel parts kits.
which almost 30yrs later would be worth what today,,,,8 x 500-600 each...?
Hindsight says you can call these a really bad buy....
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Old January 11, 2020, 21:25   #47
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Gosh, apologies, i thought i would get notified via email if anyone replied here. Lots of great conversation going on here!

I have what i believe to be a DSA folder - no button. It does have decent lockup. If Imbel para stocks are that rare and pricey then perhaps my humble build is not worthy...

Regarding a genuine 50.62, i believe that is in the ballpark of 4x what i am in on the parts i have amassed. $4000+ no?

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Indeed it is! I take it from yovinny's reply and other posts it's highly desirable and expensive
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Old January 14, 2020, 02:52   #48
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I have yet another interesting para stock ..Adam 762 and I came to the offhand conclusion that it was a *one off* --experimental-- proto type Belgian PARA stock.. Adam found this stock in a 50 gallon drum of FAL parts 10-15 years ago at Knob Creek.

interesting thing is..

Since i own Israeli Galil stocks, Imbel stocks and Belgian Hindo stocks.

I gave it the serious once over (from my limited knowledge and parts and 20 YEARS of collecting

NOW what?? 30 years? jeesh !! )


Guess what ? it doesn't conform to any of the above we simply cant put our finger on it..Interesting.

Ive had it for a Decade at least at this point. its on my most prized FAL clone a true Belgian all new parts PARA built on an LMT DSA.. (Took me 5 YEARS to collect the parts btw)

I think ill hit up Mark or Uncle Lee and send it to one or the other OR BOTH and see WTF they say,

I respect both of them on the subject and i consider both friends as well. (Even if times have changed along with their opinions of "each other" their combined knowledge on the subject of FN and SLRs is not to be ignored IMO. )


Hey ADAM 762...remember that stock ?

And yes i know everyone wants pics but im not in a position to do that right now..

Ask around, old school members (if they are still around) can probly vouch for old Barbie, on owning some rare and interesting stuff.
Either way i myself would like to get to the bottom of this odd stock some day..

AND the mods by now know this is a *NOT FOR SALE* post..

(btw, fucks sake ,,,,hows it hanging WEG ?
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Old January 19, 2020, 01:53   #49
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Smile Imbel Folding Lower Complete

The IMBEL PARA Bolt carriers have a longer lug on Left side,rt side when turned over. Yes I am a Old timer, been into Fals for 42 years.
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