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Old October 13, 2019, 08:58   #1
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100gr 223 Bullets

Looking for a source for plated or jacketed 100 to 125 gr 223 dia bullets.

Semi flat nose that will cycle in an AR would be ok too.
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Old October 13, 2019, 13:39   #2
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By cycle do you mean just locking the bolt back
after firing? Because no bullet that big will fit in an
AR mag.

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By cycle do you mean just locking the bolt back
after firing? Because no bullet that big will fit in an
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Good luck.
You put the excess bullet in the case......I’m using 220gr 308 bullets in Steel Case 7.62x39 for subsonics and they work fine. Right at standard OAL....the extra bullet takes up some case capacity as well with the reduced load.

So to answer your question it’s more about feeding than locking the bolt back.
I worked out the load for the 7.62x39 and ran it in a FA AK...cycled perfectly.
You cant use round nose anything in an AK.....
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By cycle do you mean just locking the bolt back
after firing? Because no bullet that big will fit in an
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Good luck.
Well....it depends on what one is willing to attempt..

I heard of some guys that developed a very nice load for 9mm pistols using 180 grain bullets...

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I saw those and have known about them for some time...good job finding them.
It would be hard to move these with 45 cent bullets.....I have a client that needs some development help for a suppressor business......Barnes makes a 95 gr bullet.....probably in the same price range though.

Man if Berry’s would listen more often and sooner....everyone’s waiting for these
and maybe even a 125gr....

They are killing it with the 308/300 BO 30 cals in 185, 200 and 220 gr plated spires....
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Two of the mods on Arfcom loaded 100's in a 5.56 a long time ago. I made an aluminum mold for them to pour their ballistic gel into to test that bullet. Don't remember where they got the bullets, but the bullet was seated shallow in the normal fashion, then inverted (base up) to finish seating.
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Two of the mods on Arfcom loaded 100's in a 5.56 a long time ago. I made an aluminum mold for them to pour their ballistic gel into to test that bullet. Don't remember where they got the bullets, but the bullet was seated shallow in the normal fashion, then inverted (base up) to finish seating.
So the deal with this product and 308 subs for this client is that it’s all testing
their suppressors and letting their customers try them out. So function is paramount vs terminal ballistics. The 220 gr plated bullets should work well in the
308 with 5744 powder.....just have to work it out so it cycles the rifle. Bolt guns
are no brainers....
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Looking for a source for plated or jacketed 100 to 125 gr 223 dia bullets.

Semi flat nose that will cycle in an AR would be ok too.

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Corbin can hook you up with the swaging dies to make almost any projectile you may need. They even have a specialized rebated boat tail open tip subsonic design and sell dies in 17, 204, 224, 6mm, 6.5mm, 30 caliber and up to 458 caliber. If have issues with expansion add their jacket serrator die and even the slowest jacketed projectiles will expand nicely. Sometime you just have to make what you need.

http://www.corbins.com/subsonic.htm
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Corbin can hook you up with the swaging dies to make almost any projectile you may need. They even have a specialized rebated boat tail open tip subsonic design and sell dies in 17, 204, 224, 6mm, 6.5mm, 30 caliber and up to 458 caliber. If have issues with expansion add their jacket serrator die and even the slowest jacketed projectiles will expand nicely. Sometime you just have to make what you need.

http://www.corbins.com/subsonic.htm
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Corbin can hook you up with the swaging dies to make almost any projectile you may need. They even have a specialized rebated boat tail open tip subsonic design and sell dies in 17, 204, 224, 6mm, 6.5mm, 30 caliber and up to 458 caliber. If have issues with expansion add their jacket serrator die and even the slowest jacketed projectiles will expand nicely. Sometime you just have to make what you need.

http://www.corbins.com/subsonic.htm
I called and talked to Dave Corbin for a while....I’m going to get a swaging kit ordered tomorrow. Looks like the bullet length will need a 6mm PPC jacket.
But wait....I was poking around and discovered making bullets with powder metal like copper and tungsten...hmmmmm. The only drawback is filling the die.
The lead wire is easier.....
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I called and talked to Dave Corbin for a while....I’m going to get a swaging kit ordered tomorrow. Looks like the bullet length will need a 6mm PPC jacket.
But wait....I was poking around and discovered making bullets with powder metal like copper and tungsten...hmmmmm. The only drawback is filling the die.
The lead wire is easier.....
Lead wire IS easier.

When I first started making .224 bullets with reformed .22LR cases for jackets many decades ago (using Corbin stuff, of course), I picked up a lead wire cutter and a four chamber gang mold for casting cores.

With the use of lead wire, you are a captive of the availability of wire of the 'correct' diameter.

With the mold, no such problem exists since you can use most any old scrap lead (realizing that you'll want a pretty soft core, so you have to be somewhat selective in accumulating your scrap lead).

For the ,224 bullets I make with the .22LR case jackets, I use a bullet core that allows me to close (form) the tip of the bullet to a very small OT. With a very small airspace in the tip, this produces a bullet of about 53 grains. These bullets shoot exceptionally well, much better than you'd think.

My point is that the gang mold has adjustable length cavities, so you could produce longer core 'slugs' if you wanted and had access to jackets that were long enough. I'm pretty sure that the one I have (from Corbin) couldn't produce a 'slug' long enough for a 100 gr bullet, but Dave might have something like that.

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Lead wire IS easier.

When I first started making .224 bullets with reformed .22LR cases for jackets many decades ago (using Corbin stuff, of course), I picked up a lead wire cutter and a four chamber gang mold for casting cores.

With the use of lead wire, you are a captive of the availability of wire of the 'correct' diameter.

With the mold, no such problem exists since you can use most any old scrap lead (realizing that you'll want a pretty soft core, so you have to be somewhat selective in accumulating your scrap lead).

For the ,224 bullets I make with the .22LR case jackets, I use a bullet core that allows me to close (form) the tip of the bullet to a very small OT. With a very small airspace in the tip, this produces a bullet of about 53 grains. These bullets shoot exceptionally well, much better than you'd think.

My point is that the gang mold has adjustable length cavities, so you could produce longer core 'slugs' if you wanted and had access to jackets that were long enough. I'm pretty sure that the one I have (from Corbin) couldn't produce a 'slug' long enough for a 100 gr bullet, but Dave might have something like that.

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So I suppose if you get 22 magnum fired cases you could make a longer bullet with them?

Several items that are on the radar are 200-220 grain 308 and a heavy 338 for a subsonic 338 Federal. These represent the needs that are in front of me....

The 308 covers 300 Black Out, 308 Winchester and 7.62x39......everything else is what it is.
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I pour all my cores using a variety of specialized core molds. There is a guy on castboolits.com who sells swain equipment (also on fleabay) under the name of BT Sniper. He has a new design where you cast the bullet you want, powder coat it then run the bullet into a single step swain die which also firmly seats a gas check and then spits out a perfectly true projectile which is hard to do casting long thin heavy bullets. Can drive the powder coat and gas check swaged bullets as slow or fast as want within reason and they are very accurate. Just another option to mention as powder coated cast bullets run through his custom swain dies are becoming very popular and he will make any die you might want.
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What about complete subsonic rounds?

Extreme Shock .223 100 grain ASP Ammunition
https://www.ammoland.com/2010/12/ext...#axzz62SgDJm00
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https://www.ammoland.com/2010/12/ext...#axzz62SgDJm00
That ammo seems to be discontinued/out of stock everywhere, and the company domain name is “for sale”.
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Extreme Shock .223 100 grain ASP Ammunition
https://www.ammoland.com/2010/12/ext...#axzz62SgDJm00
The issue is that my client wants me to produce the ammoooo......

I just bought the Corbin CSP 2 heavy duty press, dies and supplies to make
100 and 125 gr 224 dia bullets with ogive, straight sides and a flat base....
This should get things moving along. Next is 308 then 338......
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The issue is that my client wants me to produce the ammoooo...... .
Alrighty then. This could be further incentive.

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That ammo seems to be discontinued/out of stock everywhere, and the company domain name is “for sale”.

The reviews here might provide some insights for your own efforts.

https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1001995382
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The ASP was designed for an operator to take out a sentry / guard usually head shot, or a light or dog without alerting the enemy. The user wanter the gun to function in semi or full auto mode so they would not be having to work the bolt on each individual shot. Because you have so little energy to work with the only way to make it more effective and function the gun was to make the bullet as heavy as possible. To do that we had to use Tungsten.

The ASP is certainly not a long range round as you are only 975 FPS at the muzzle. We use compressed Tungsten powder as our core material inside a copper jacket. The .20 thou thick copper jacket gives us the malleability to get down the barrel without creating wear. The tungsten core gives us the penetration through dense bone heavy clothing into a vital to take care of business.

Because of the low velocity it makes it very hard to impossible for the small bullet to fragment. But because of the Tungsten core we get really great penetration through clothing and soft tissue or bone. When the weapon is shouldered and fired with a suppressor is on the gun you can actually hear the mechanics of the gun then the round impacting the target.

For the gun to function you MUST have a can on the gun. You will have to fire about 8 to 10 rounds through the barrel to coat it to help slow the bullet down. The coating does not cause any buildup as with molly nor can it be cleaned out. The coating causes no adverse effect when switching back to hi vel ammo. We have coated the barrels by shooting the ASP through the gun then we fired 4270 rounds through the gun in full auto fire. Then we put in a mag of ASP with the barrel hot the first round out the barrel was only 99o fps then 985 970 990. So it takes 10 rounds to coat and then it will be subsonic from there on out.

We do have a gel block shot with the ASP 5.56 filmed at 40k frames a sec that if Robert has a way to post it we will be more than happy to send it to him. Please feel free to contact us at 276 926 6772 to answer any questions you might have.

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I’ll be able to make frangibles with the machine I ordered. The round nose coated
ammo in my opinion is a lot of the problem. I made a batch of 7.62 x 39 subs using 220 gr plated bullets and demilled steel cases and the oem propellant.....
works perfect in an AK full auto short barrel. We tried some 311 round nose bullets and they failed miserably....the 308 220’s are the right stuff..I’m pretty sure the heavy jacketed 223s with an ogive that mimics a std oal round will work.
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When you get these worked out I would be interested in buying some as I do not have the ability to swage 224 projectiles over 90 grains and they are not consistent as I want as at the extreme limit of my available swage dies.
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When you get these worked out I would be interested in buying some as I do not have the ability to swage 224 projectiles over 90 grains and they are not consistent as I want as at the extreme limit of my available swage dies.
So the trick is the jackets....I got a drawing die to resize the jackets from 6mm to
224....the 6mm are a lot longer than the longest 224 jackets. I’m also getting the
heavy duty manual press...The dies fit the hydraulic machine. The small press uses the 7/8 dies these are 1”.
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Wouldn't sub sonic 220 grain in .308 be MUCH easier?
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Wouldn't sub sonic 220 grain in .308 be MUCH easier?
I plan on making a 308 with 220gr buleets.......also 300 black outs and AK food....
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Wouldn't sub sonic 220 grain in .308 be MUCH easier?
Yes but I would bet there are way more people with suppressed 5.56 AR 15's than 7.62 battle rifles. I really like the 355 grain Tubbs Absolute 2 Hole dual projectile subsonic ammo.
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Too bad PRL doesn't make 150gr subsonic anymore.
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Too bad PRL doesn't make 150gr subsonic anymore.
I found some good info on PRL and a couple guys on Arfcom that were making pretty much the same bullet I’m going to make. However the tests were all around 2400 FPS.....no subsonic tests.....it was a devastating round....I can see
some hybrid bullets taking shape.
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