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Old May 08, 2020, 22:27   #1
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New carry handle - how movable should it be??

Question for Andy the Aussie, Kevin Adams, and any others that have handled new-old-stock L1A1s...how freely should a new carry handle on a new rifle move about?

A nice new Aussie wood carry handle, on an ex-NZ war reserve rifle build, all mint and not fired beyond any tests, looks spectacular...but the carry handle flops about freely. Was that normal on new rifles, or does the loop need tightening up to be in spec?
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Old May 09, 2020, 09:45   #2
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I was on the shooting team both in service and as a civilian and from my experience they should be firm and not move about freely on their own with out using man power. I had 3 direct from the factory, as in only handled by 2 or 3 people before they were handed to me and lots of used used and all of them were firm. I never encountered a floppy handle.
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Old May 11, 2020, 10:14   #3
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They should not rattle up and down as you run - I had one that did, and it was changed by the armourer.
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Old May 11, 2020, 12:21   #4
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The end of the carry handle wire loop needs to be moved outward or inward to tighten the carry handle in the receiver cut to your satisfaction.

This can easily be done by placing the edge of the round end of the loop in a vise and moving the open end with a large screwdriver or grips. A hammer will also work.
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Old May 11, 2020, 13:25   #5
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What Dakto says is true, BUT be forewarned, bending a little too much may break it. Go slow and try it until you like the movement/tightness. It don't really take much of a bend.


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For what it's worth, the L1A1 open end of loop is bent away from the stem. The FAL is bent toward the stem.

I clamp the wire at the base of the loop in a vise, and use a steel rod through the loop.
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For what it's worth, the L1A1 open end of loop is bent away from the stem. The FAL is bent toward the stem.
Now that is an interesting bit of trivia even the most prolific hobby builder would be unlikely to have noticed. Thanks GP.
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What others have said. Tweak it so that it does not move under it's own weight.
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Old May 13, 2020, 07:44   #9
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I have a folder marked 'tricks of the trade'.
Every time I see something like what GP posted, I print and throw it in the folder.

I've been battling an Argy Carry Handle for ever...wire in place but for the life of can't get the damn washers on. I've done the 1/4' socket thing but it's not quite deep enough to get the last washer in place.

Also, I have 2 different size washers.....is that correct ?

I have another CH with handle in place...If I remove the gas block, can I remove the gas tube from that end and just put the other handle on ?
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I've been battling an Argy Carry Handle for ever...wire in place but for the life of can't get the damn washers on. I've done the 1/4' socket thing but it's not quite deep enough to get the last washer in place.

Also, I have 2 different size washers.....is that correct ?
Argy "deep" carry handle only uses one washer and one C clip

TTBOMK there is only one washer size. But the new C clips that came with the SARCO kits are impossible to get on, without first using a tapered punch to expand them a bit.

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I have another CH with handle in place...If I remove the gas block, can I remove the gas tube from that end and just put the other handle on ?
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Huh?
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Argy "deep" carry handle only uses one washer and one C clip

TTBOMK there is only one washer size. But the new C clips that came with the SARCO kits are impossible to get on, without first using a tapered punch to expand them a bit.



Huh?
Let me rephrase....how can I remove the gas tube without removing the receiver....if I remove the Gas Plug, can I extract the Gas Tube from that end, in order to pull the existing CH handle out and replace it with another which already has the handle installed ?
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Let me rephrase....how can I remove the gas tube without removing the receiver....if I remove the Gas Plug, can I extract the Gas Tube from that end, in order to pull the existing CH handle out and replace it with another which already has the handle installed ?
Your rephrasing is even more confusing. You remove the carry handle by removing the plug, piston, spring; and then unscrewing the carry handle nut (gas tube support) from the receiver. Slide it forward on the gas tube, remove carry handle, install new, screw the nut back in.
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Your rephrasing is even more confusing. You remove the carry handle by removing the plug, piston, spring; and then unscrewing the carry handle nut (gas tube support) from the receiver. Slide it forward on the gas tube, remove carry handle, install new, screw the nut back in.
Mark...you figured it out, which was my thinking.
Just wanted reassuring it could be done that way.
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Mark...you figured it out, which was my thinking.
Just wanted reassuring it could be done that way.
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In your tricks of the trade book do you have a diagram showing which end of the screwdriver to hold?
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On the rotating plastic carry handle you will notice the wire is just a little longer than the rubber type carry handle. Therefore you will need 2 washers on each side of the plastic carry handle, one being the C ring or clip to hold the assembly together.

On the rubber type carry handle I insert a larger washer before the retainer C ring to prevent the rubber from rubbing against the C clip.
You can also use an open C clip versus the original expandable C ring if necessary. A spot of Gorilla Glue will prevent the C clip from moving.
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Old May 14, 2020, 21:03   #16
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Mark...you figured it out, which was my thinking.
Just wanted reassuring it could be done that way.
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I just changed out my furniture on my L1A1 for the black is beautiful Marynl set, and that's the 'only' way you can do it. Mark is spot on, the end loop on the black carry handle I put on is bent away from the carry handle proper so as to have tension. My Stg is exactly opposite.
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