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Old December 08, 2019, 14:33   #1
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another way of dealing with the demographic impact of abortion

instead of importing low productivity aliens we could subsidize child-bearing:

https://www.newsmax.com/john-gizzi/h...nt=&gdpr=false

Less than a month before Hungary begins its policy of exempting all families who have four children from taxes for the rest of their lives, the official in charge of it spoke to Newsmax about the controversial approach to the problem of an aging and diminishing population.

"It's family-friendly and the early signs are positive," Katalin Novak, Hungary's Minister of Family and Youth, told Newsmax on Wednesday. She specifically cited as a hopeful sign the fact that in 2019, the number of marriages in Hungary is at a 40-year high.

Novak spoke to us during a break at the Second Annual Conference on the Family in Washington D.C. She also pointed out that in the last three years, divorces in Hungary have decreased 20% and the number of abortions has decreased 25%.

Assuming many families begin bearing the "magic four" and are exempted from taxes, we asked, might that cause a drop in revenues in Hungary?

"The fact is, we need to have children and the long-term responsibility of a nation lies in its children — children born to responsible mothers, she replied.

Simply put, Novak added, "If we are going to maintain our economy, we need to have more children."

As hopeful as it is about the "4 Children-No Taxes" policy, the government of Prime Minister Viktor Orban is also laying out other measures in its "Family Protection Action Plan." Among them are making every young married couple eligible for an interest-free loan of $35,000 and increasing nursery places to provide day care to nursery-aged children if their parents wish to return to work.

Novak also noted that she has had meetings with officials in Poland and the Czech Republic. Czech Prime Minister Andrej Babis, she said, "is an economist who built several successful businesses and someone who understands the importance of the population to the economy. He's been very supportive."

The Vatican has also been supportive, Novak told us. Although she has not yet discussed Hungary's new policy on children and taxes with Pope Francis, the minister did say that she was met "with some representatives of the Vatican and they were positive about our policy."

As for the United States, she said, "it's actually very inspiring to see how well issues like this are received in the U.S. The [Trump administration] has embraced pro-family issues and it was a pleasure to spend time at the Conference on the Family with various officials discussing the national battles we face in our respective countries."

Among others participating in the conference were White House Domestic Policy Council Director Joe Grogan, and Republican Rep. Vickie Hartzler, Mo., and Valerie Huber, senior policy advisor at the office of Global Affairs at the Department of Health and Human Services.

At 42 and already a mother of three, we asked Novak, would she and her husband, celebrity chef Istvan Veres, consider having a fourth child to meet the hoped-for goal of the government policy she helped to sculpt?

"Our youngest is 11 and I think my time [for having children] has passed," she told us. "But I feel strongly that the best thing [Hungarian families] can do is to have more children. Parenting the Number 1 career one can have."
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Old December 08, 2019, 15:29   #2
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We're already doing that, except our taxpayers are being forced to subsidize the illegal immigrant replacement population. Generations of people on welfare become the majority and they think there is going to be a country left to govern? LOL.
When you say "We're doing that, except our taxpayers are being forced to subsidize the illegal immigrant replacement population.", I wonder if you read what the OP actually wrote - because he said we should do this (his article) INSTEAD of that (subsidize illegal alien replacement).


And when you say "We're already doing that", you missed the point entirely. Because we (the United States) are NOT saying that nuclear families with four children will never pay taxes again. We (the United States) are NOT saying that responsible mothers are the most important thing for the society and the economy - and that is exactly what the Hungarians are doing and saying.
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When you say "We're doing that, except our taxpayers are being forced to subsidize the illegal immigrant replacement population.", I wonder if you read what the OP actually wrote - because he said we should do this (his article) INSTEAD of that (subsidize illegal alien replacement).


And when you say "We're already doing that", you missed the point entirely. Because we (the United States) are NOT saying that nuclear families with four children will never pay taxes again. We (the United States) are NOT saying that responsible mothers are the most important thing for the society and the economy - and that is exactly what the Hungarians are doing and saying.
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Old December 08, 2019, 16:23   #4
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The vatican always supports anything that brings it income, and overpopulation misery in the long run. More people go to church when miserable.
Too late to catch up in this country anyway. 2035 and Murica is gone as we know it, it not sooner.
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Old December 08, 2019, 22:06   #5
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Methinks Hungary, Czech Rep., Poland, and any other nations who are swinging to Right-Populist anti-Muzzie gov'ts will soon find themselves the beneficiaries of not just stronger native nuclear families, but immigration of high-value individuals from surrounding countries (Germany, Italy, France, etc.) bent on suicide, who are sick of their nation's insane policies!
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Actually,,,, we have kind of been doing that for years.
Not with tax relief,,,since you need to actually pay taxes to need relief from them.
But welfare extends an additional 5yrs and pays more,,for each new offspring.
Those are the only people I see today with 4,5,6 or more kids...but I dont get out much...
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Old December 09, 2019, 07:49   #7
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I have heard of something like this before....it was a good idea then, and is a good idea now. *for traditional families with intact mother and father*.

As for the "baby factory" mothers that churn out one little parasite after another, I'd let'em all go hungry.
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Old December 09, 2019, 09:25   #8
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Kids..... Hungary went on it's pro native/anti immigration path and bucking Europe and Soros by supporting and electing a newly founded, then splintered, then remade CONSERVATIVE political party.

NOT by voting for the same old shit, and getting the same old shit!
And calling doing so "heavy lifting" and pretending it is winning.


Speaking of the same old R/D shit, here is some family friendly for you.
Schumer: Fed workers to get 12 weeks of paid parental leave
The Senate’s top Democrat said Sunday that congressional leaders have reached a “real breakthrough” deal to give 12 weeks of paid parental leave to millions of federal workers as part of the annual defense policy bill.

Sen. Charles Schumer said the agreement over the National Defense Authorization Act was reached late Friday night and a vote is expected later this week. The establishment of President Donald Trump’s proposed Space Force is also included in the bill.

https://news.yahoo.com/schumer-fed-w...230910811.html

Great, more bennies for our bloated federal workforce. We will just heap on the debt pile and let the grandkiddies worry about it.
Now that is heavy lifting and winning!!!





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Seems a lot of the countries in Eastern Europe are figuring things out for themselves by watching the mistakes of Western Europe.
My take is a lot of the countries in eastern europe were more preoccupied with the realities of physical survival instead of being obsessed with smelling their own farts. Looks to me like several generations of western europeans have no experience with living in the real world. Living on other people's largesse will do that to ya I suppose.
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My take is a lot of the countries in eastern europe were more preoccupied with the realities of physical survival instead of being obsessed with smelling their own farts. Looks to me like several generations of western europeans have no experience with living in the real world. Living on other people's largesse will do that to ya I suppose.
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