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Old March 26, 2020, 15:05   #51
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Check this AP article out
EIGHTY THOUSAND Americans died during the 2017/18 flu season !

https://www.statnews.com/2018/09/26/...deaths-winter/

scores of Men, wimmins & children Gone
did anyone say boo about it ?
There's a method behind this current madness
you better believe there is
I agree,,,this whole thing is crazy compared to other normal problems we face.

https://www.foxnews.com/health/coron...tate-breakdown

If anyone put together,,,flu deaths to this virus,,state by state,,,this country would reopen tomorrow.

Its a "bad bug",,,,it is killing people,,it is making people sick,,it is filling ER's, ICU's,hospital beds,,so does the flu,,,cancer patients,,elderly folks,,kids getting hurt,,car accidents,shooting victims in Chicago,,Baltimore,,heart attack victims,,drownings,,dog bites,,fires,,etc.

We lost a hot shot crew a few years back,,,,,which is more than double what this virus has killed in AZ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

On the positive side,,,I spent around 5800.00 on all new in front of firewall with my Jeep,,new motor,,etc,,,Congress sends me and wife a check for 2400.00 ,,,,I will help the economy out,,buy a new hardtop,,,redo the brakes,,and paint the hood on it.

Its the American way after all....
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Old March 26, 2020, 15:08   #52
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Serious question

Been wondering for a while, and have tried to discuss with the few people who will even listen.

IF the Beast had won in 2016-

WOULD this current full tilt panic reaction even have occurred.

I'm not doubting some bug got out, and that folks have gotten sick, or even died.

There are some things going on, in multiple states, policy wise, politically, procedurally, that I don't think would be happening- if it were NOT an election cycle, and if DJT wasn't driving the bus.

I don't know how else to say it, but this whole mess, just has a whole lot of wrong, intertwined with it. Multiple people at multiple levels, implementing their own little (il)legal fiats, hoping folks will just obey and not question them.

Just a whole lot of not so funny business going on. And I think we all know, once one of these edicts sticks, damn near impossible to undo it.

From what little I've bothered to watch on the idiot box, it seems that many are damn near cheering for a recession, or to make it seem like DJT doesn't give a damn how many die, or that he just doesn't give a damn at all. They really seem to be banging those drums every chance they can get.

Been wondering what percentage of average people believe them, being bombarded with this stuff 25/8/366.

Wonder if CV, is DJT's Katrina.
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Old March 26, 2020, 15:48   #53
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Respecting your direct involvement with this issue, is still have to admit that the more I read, the confuseder I get about the total ramifications with this virus. Opinions abound from doctors on every corner, who to believe. I hear the method of death is ugly, attacking the lungs like it is purported to do. Cancer is ugly, numerous other last stage ailments are ugly. This is just one more "ugly" added to the list. As an over 60 "student", I am trying to go along to get along with the edicts of our guvnah and the rest of the people apparently in the know.

The link below is just one more that lends question to the term pandemic assigned to this virus.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opin...ter-as-a-dire/

In the three months or so since it started, the new coronavirus and its related COVID-19 disease – which emerged in the Chinese province of Hubei late in 2019 and now numbers more than 110,000 cases around the world – have caused more than 4,000 deaths, mostly in China. As the case numbers grow around the world, including in Canada, where there are now more than 70 cases, people have become concerned that a pandemic is inevitable.

But in the same three months, there have been about three million deaths in China from other causes, and about 14 million deaths worldwide. During the same three-month period, according to Health Canada, there have been almost 10,000 deaths in Canada from tobacco addiction, for instance – and just one from COVID-19.

Is COVID-19 a global crisis? Certainly for people who can’t add.
14 million dead from all causes world wide over 3 months is correct by my research. Think about that. Covid-19 is 0.028% of all deaths? And we are shutting down the worlds economy for that? These numbers are sketchy but shutting down the economy like this will kill more people than the virus.
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Old March 26, 2020, 15:52   #54
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Serious question

Been wondering for a while, and have tried to discuss with the few people who will even listen.

IF the Beast had won in 2016-

Wonder if CV, is DJT's Katrina.
Come oan Brother Oz308. If your aunt had balls , she would be your uncle. Forget about the if. You KNOW ANY sodded up, marxist member of the Democrat party in office would have compounded the problem immensely, beyond our recover.

You have good sense. Start thinking about solutions, REAL solutions to this stupid mess the gummint and the communist Chinese made of things and more importantly; start thinking of ways to PREVENT this kinds of shit from happening in future, other than nuking the Chicoms (which will eventually happen). And think of ways for you, your family and friends to GET READY for the REAL coming shit. I keep telling others that this is like Katrina except with power, water, gas and open stores.

Buy ammo, mags and then; more ammo.

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Old March 26, 2020, 20:23   #55
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This is a big shit sandwich and we are all going to have to take a bite. If we shut it down the death toll will be lower, if we don't shut it down we drive the economy off a cliff and that'll cost some lives too. I sure as hell don't pretend to know the correct answer so I'll just keep on keeping on and hope for the best...This is a hell of a Catch 22
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Old March 26, 2020, 20:32   #56
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Mr's YH + Jarhead

Mr YH-

Thanks for the kind words....what did I win??? Free custom grips for '75 Remmies?? Half price Gennie Rhodie FAL?

Hmm...or, can you train a half busted half blind humanoid to shoot straight?? Either one would be greatly appreciated

Mr Jarhead-

Thanks also for the kind words. Trying to remember, think it was late '06, early '07, first started learning about the whole Odumbo/Klepton/Soros/Alinsky/Ayres/Dohrn/ACORN, et al, cabal. The more I learned, the more I tried to pass on this on to others. And yeah, even about the RINOS on the other side, too. No fan of the 'Shrub' family.

What I'd found out is, even people I'd known my whole life, were pretty much like this, after I'd try to tell them-

"Who?"
"Bullshit"
"Your full of shit"
"Right wing wacko"
"Racist"
"Sexist"
"....phobe"
"Constitution...what the F are you talking about, that old bullshit for, it's outdated, etc."
"F off with your bullshit, don't bring it up again"
"F Faux news, turn off the tv" (not that I was ever really a fan of it)

Also, apparently, only 'the tv bigs' (CNN/HLN/CBS/NBC/MSNBC/ABC) told the truth, other channels were 'bullshit'

TIME, Newsweek, The New Yorker, The Atlantic, NY Times, LA Times were the 'trustworthy' paper sources.

Around '08, picked up first ....holy crap, they all freaked out. They're still freaked out.

Can barely have a conversation with what family/friends remain.

Have told them for a long time, as best as they can manage it, have extra stuff around the house, because things happen-

......'conspiracy nut'.

Told them they might want to think about copper/lead/brass and the 'tooling' for it, just in case things go south-

....'full of shit, you're crazy, that's why we have cops...what the F do you NEED a gun for?'

I've known, and trusted, and loved these few remaining folks my whole life.
They have not done me any wrong. I would not want bad things to happen to them. If I was back home, when things truly went upside down, I would defend them...and I'm nobody, just a guy who wants what's left of family and friends to be safe.

But it's like we are now light years apart almost. They HATE djt, and lament over odumbo...they will probably vote for the helldabeast, should she run.

It's like a damn Twilight Zone episode...or one of those old 'mirror houses' at a circus- you can't tell where the people really are, if that makes any sense.
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But it's like we are now light years apart almost. They HATE djt, and lament over odumbo...they will probably vote for the helldabeast, should she run.
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irreconcilable differences: there is no reasoning with these people, all they can under stand is force/violence.

they are not going to leave you or anyone alone, in peace,
they want what they want,
they want the deplorable irredeemable bitter clinger trad white americans subjugated, as the prelude to being dead.

they want you gone, along with everything that you represent to them.

any mis under standing on that point is entirely on you.
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Old March 26, 2020, 21:26   #58
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Yeah :-(

[any mis under standing on that point is entirely on you.[/QUOTE]



With the few remaining fam/friends, they've never told me 'die, you bastard'.

But, I have ZERO doubts, many others back in the old home state, some might just pull a trigger as look in my direction.

Believe me, I know. In the past (80's/90's) we had the Crips, Bloods, and some crew called the 'Folkes'...they'd go out of the way to introduce you to their 'hospitality', if you found yourself in the wrong neighborhood.

Now, we've got antifuks and BLM's and militant rainbow riding unicorn herders back home. They seem to be getting more vocal by the week.
They'll walk right up, get in your face, and try to see what will make an average person 'trip'.

While their buddies are at the ready in the crowd, with their phones, to PROVE 'you' made the first move.

They know what they are doing. It will not end well.

And have no doubts, when they insta-gram it, or whatever they call it, you to the local reporters they have on speed dial, and their political buddies, guess who gets the 9-1-1 hammer fall first.

Really hate this garbage. I do not see a peaceful end to this.

Even if 'divorce papers' could be drafted, they would never be honored.

They simply want it all. Nothing is ever enough. And pretty sure they're willing to do anything to get it.
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Old March 26, 2020, 21:27   #59
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The answers/choices lie with this man.. His interview 2 weeks ago in pandemic thread may still be up. The Donald need to pay him heed.

crossposted.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...wn-is-no-cure/
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Really hate this garbage. I do not see a peaceful end to this.

Even if 'divorce papers' could be drafted, they would never be honored.

They simply want it all. Nothing is ever enough. And pretty sure they're willing to do anything to get it.

yes.

yes.

and yes.

separation is going to happen one way, or another way.

rule, or else be ruled over.
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Why can't people in the media get this through their heads? Yes, 80% of the population could get infected.. that does not in any way mean that 1.5% of those people are going to die. Right now we are only testing people that are showing symptoms and are high risk patients. The current death rate is based on those numbers only and has nothing to do with the actual number of people that are currently walking around and have already had the virus and have shown no symptoms or had symptoms but wrote it off as a bad cold. We have absolutely no idea of how many people currently have the virus or had it and recovered. For all we know 80% of the population right now could be walking around with it. Without testing random samples of the population we can't deduce a real death rate, it's all a guess.

Right now all we can truly say is that of X number people that have tested positive, Y number of people died.

Using the numbers the way that they are currently being used based on the information that is being collected you would say that the swine flu had a 5.1% death rate as 240,000 people were diagnosed and hospitalized and 12,400 died, the CDC later determined that it is likely that 50 million people in the US had it which moves the death rate to .02%. Using the same numbers based on the 2018-2019 flu season the death rate was 6.9% based on 490k diagnosed and hospitalized and 34,200 deaths.. but the estimate of the actual number of people that likely had it is 35 million which moves the death rate to .09%.
This. I absolutely agree with this math. I tried to explain this to my libtard sister tonight and she declared right wing conspiracy. She will continue to isolate in her home for the next ten years, terrified, and pining for the socialist utopian Cuba doctors to needed to save her life.
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Of every 100 people who get the virus.

12 will go to the hospital and MAY require hospitalization.
2 will die.

Who will/may die?

Over 70 with any of the following:
Emphysema,
Geriatric depression
Dementia
Alzheimers
COPD,
Heart Disease
Wheelchair ridden
ASTHMA
Other respiratory problems
Diabetes
HIV
Compromised immune systems

JUST LIKE WHO THE FLU KILLS right now.

2500 a day die in the USA anyway. This flu has only killed 1000 in USA as of today, over a month. Some young ( rare) will die, just like every day.

Less than a million world wide have had it; 24,000 dead so far world wide.

Frantic/crazy broads/People getting tested: of 50,000 tested, only 15,000 tested positive in NY and were told to go home; illness in 15% that goes bad may require Hospitalization & will get you the Hydrocholoquin treatment.

They say 85% or more will get it; 98% will survive like a flu bout; 2% will die, ventilators or not.

We are being had.

Have a beer.

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Trump realizes what America already knows and doesn't want to say. Older people should be retired by age 60 and sitting safely at home already. If they want to go outside, go to the store, or go to work- then that's on them. Otherwise, they can sit home, collect retirement, and free up those jobs for younger Americans. Basically, if you are older, you shouldn't be out but the rest of us don't have that choice and we need to go to work.
I think the solution is somewhere in between. We should restart the economy, and seniors and those with immune deficiencies or cardio vascular conditions should be given a little help financially to stay at home from their jobs for a couple months. $2 trillion is like $16000 per household!
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No one can really predict things but it is a safe bet if any democommie had won the white house instead of Trump we wouldn't be in the mess we have now. Sure, a virus may have come in from China but no one would know it because media would bury it. Media's sole function is glorifying the democommies. People would just get sick for a while and either get well or die of complications. My point here is this thing was engineered,not happenstance. The democraps have long said they would go nuclear and destroy the economy if need be to get rid of Trump. The timing is just too coincidental to be anything else.
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Much of this is little different than how the media abuses statistics to further their usual anti Freedom agendas in other venues such as Gun Control

Recently, a whole new lexicon has been adopted
Started maybe two years ago with "Shelter In Place"
1st it applied to mass shooter events at schools
since then it's slowly been expanded

Newest phrase is "Social Distancing"

I feel for kids in Senior High
No Prom, No Graduations
these are important events particularly for young Ladies
over what ?
a Flu that really don't seem to even target their age group
Thanks a lot Boomers !

yeah' that's who is pushing the envelope on all this shit
If I was a Senior in HS I'd be just pissed as hell and rightfully so.

There was a great article about the 1st guy to contract COVID in GA
line cook at a waffle house
He recovered, he's pretty loud about the level of over reaction
see...he recovers and returns to no job, none available really either
won't be any likely for weeks, maybe months at this rate of panic

There is a rather bright light at the end of the tunnel providing you have financial means:
The pending collapse of small businesses means you will be able to buy them dimes on the dollar
wanna' have your own bar ?
how about a diner
a strip club...
maybe a Salon

Speaking of which Salons largely just rent space to individual hair dressers
they function on the model of an Antique Mall and most of those will likely end up in closure as well

you will likely be able to pick and choose your workers
better yet the stimulis packages have not even started folks

Before all this started I was pointing out to locals a couple of businesses in our small community
Two used a bit shops & another that sells used video games
none of them take in even enough to cover storefront rental
So what be going on ?

Well see it's like this:
City fathers realize vacant stores kill business districts so all three stores pay zero rent, in fact they get most utilities covered by the City !
Going to be a lot more of that in the aftermath of the made up COVID panic
before all this I was being courted to open an Antique store, same terms
When this settles down Congress will likely pass law making wages paid Tax deductible for small business as well particularly for newly displaced workers

yeah I'm seriously thinking on all this shit now

Some Real Estate will likely get hammered, might be a time to buy as folks abandon investment properties...thats already going down up here
yeah, this could end up being a basic restructuring of America even at the rural level

Count on an expansion of SBA pattern programs as well

bunch of shit coming down the pike
it's going to make FDR's programs small & shallow
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I think the solution is somewhere in between. We should restart the economy, and seniors and those with immune deficiencies or cardio vascular conditions should be given a little help financially to stay at home from their jobs for a couple months. $2 trillion is like $16000 per household!
Agreed overall
My late 80s Father is seriously rolling his eyes
He's getting the full monte deal, $2400 and he wonders why him ?
Oh' he won't turn it down but like I have stated, it should go to those living hand to mouth every month, not retirees who have great Government pension plans, etc and have a surplus of $$$s every month

in short it should have been Needs Based

now here is a crazy angle to all this
if you don't have some form of direct deposit from a previous tax return and they need to mail a physical check word is that may not happen until this coming Fall
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