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Old January 19, 2014, 14:40   #1
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Polymer FAL Para Stock at SHOT



The Belgian company RDIH was present at SHOT Show with a lightweight polymer stock for the paratrooper variants of the FAL and LAR’s.

While a rifle with the stock installed was not available – we were able to handle the stock itself. The construction appears solid and well constructed. I believe a tube-stock cheek pad would mount securely on this stock, such as the one from ITC.
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Old January 19, 2014, 14:46   #2
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It's always nice to see that people are still interested in making parts for FALs but that's just horrible and is it really any better than what is already available?

As for not having one fitted to a rifle, well, that's just shoddy!
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Old January 20, 2014, 02:05   #3
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Why does it not have the nub on the bottom of the block to keep it from spinning on the lower receiver?

Or is it ment to convert a standard lower to a folder with out modification, keeping the tang?
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Old January 20, 2014, 04:43   #4
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Why does it not have the nub on the bottom of the block to keep it from spinning on the lower receiver?

Or is it ment to convert a standard lower to a folder with out modification, keeping the tang?
The latter. The drawings from the company also show it using a modified standard bolt carrier with a novel spring setup. That's interesting, even if the stock itself isn't much to look at.
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Old November 29, 2019, 13:56   #5
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RDIH made the conversion for me ;

works fine ;
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Old November 29, 2019, 14:32   #6
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Weapon can't be fired while the stock is folded.
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Old November 29, 2019, 15:08   #7
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can be fired, the stock has no internal action ;
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Old November 29, 2019, 16:10   #8
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Seems to be something only for those intruiged by such. Sort of a solution in search of a problem. Jump it if you like. I'll stick with factory parts.

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Old November 29, 2019, 16:21   #9
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Seems to be something only for those intruiged by such. Sort of a solution in search of a problem. Jump it if you like. I'll stick with factory parts.

I dont get it ??
It appears as if you have to mill off most of the top of a standard bolt carrier....
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....and no attachment bolt, only a sturdy plastic nub with, apparently, a screw to force attachment from the inside (or some sort of pop rivet arrangement?). Looks truly jackass to me. I just have no problem with the factory designed parts...even the DSA stuff seems to be quite a bit better; but to each his own. I just don't see this arrangment being "battle ready" anywhere.
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can be fired, the stock has no internal action ;
When folded, looks like the stock is blocking the lower third portion of the ejection port.
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Old November 29, 2019, 17:32   #12
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...and becomes a plastic ejection port buffer.

No, this is definitely something that should stay in Europe where they understand the fine nuances of space age design.
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Old November 30, 2019, 03:01   #13
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1)It appears as if you have to mill off most of the top of a standard bolt carrier;

2) when folded, looks like the stock is blocking the lower third portion of the ejection port.

3) only a sturdy plastic nub with, apparently, a screw to force attachment from the inside

4) I just have no problem with the factory designed parts
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1) Yes, you have to ;

2) yes ; ejection of unfired ammunition works fine
I will test firing it and will tell the result ;

3) right ; the nub goes inside the previous return spring tube wich has been cut. A second little screw is also present at the bottom.
When firing, zero forces are applied on the nub ;

4) Very difficult to find parts at least in Belgium. Plenty of parts forbiden to be sold.

Para models are very rare, even in Liege (Herstal), and I understand it would be better to have both models.
Probably the reason why RDIH started to imagine a conversion.

RDIH owner was engineer in FN Herstal factory, I imagine that he knows what he does.

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Old November 30, 2019, 10:47   #14
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I imagine he (pressed to lack of alternatives) may have something suitable for you folks. It just makes no sense in the U.S. - where it's order the parts, assemble and enjoy. The reproduction stock made here is quite sufficient and going to all that for no benefit just doesn't click in the states. New carriers, accurately reproduced spring sets and workable parts aren't as hard to obtain in our market; thus I question even bothering with the entry at Shot Show.

I realize the hinge and stock are unstressed and somewhat firmly attached. It's the uncontained spring areas and half assed sort of way the recoil system is expected to function that would seem to lend itself to possible misuse in the field. Damaged way more easily as compared the original para mods, and that's weak enough compared the standard model...naw, it's all yours and I understand - enjoy what you can.

Don't see any of that being a big success in the United States.
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Old November 30, 2019, 11:48   #15
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you are right about the 'non market' in the US.

I had no malfunctions with mine in semi-auto (full auto is forbiden here)

I liked to shorten my baby and I'm documenting myself on the spare parts needed to eventually bring it back to original, having two guns in one eventually with a minimum of work to be done ;

New legislation has passed here, which will see FAL owners able to sell their gun but in a restricted way because they were 'full auto' converted.
When children will inherit them, probably they will have to have them destroyed or kept for 'souvenir' with no way to shoot with it, no ammo permited
or to be part of a shooting club where 308 caliber can be used (not a lot of them).

Time will tell...

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Old December 02, 2019, 10:19   #16
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No real benfits other than its cheaper to make than the classic version. I do think the original para stock would benefit from a rubber pad on the back instead of just aluminum.
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Old December 02, 2019, 22:54   #17
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Its ugly, and of no use in the US../
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Old December 04, 2019, 09:46   #18
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forget that plastic knub on the fixed hinge. I'll make you all the aluminum bolts you need. I wouldn't mind offering milling of the BC's stateside if anyone interested.

Now I have to ask one question. Does this get along with a regular old top cover? I see the spring wanting to flop around and bind in there without some sort of tube containing it.
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Old December 04, 2019, 11:33   #19
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I cannot give any comments until I see it being tested. There are a lot of assumptions being made based on one single drawing.

For those who think it is fugly, what would you say to those who put AR stocks on a FAL (or anything else that is not an AR)?
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Old December 04, 2019, 12:35   #20
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Looks like it's right out of 1976.
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Old December 04, 2019, 12:52   #21
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I cannot give any comments until I see it being tested. There are a lot of assumptions being made based on one single drawing.

For those who think it is fugly, what would you say to those who put AR stocks on a FAL (or anything else that is not an AR)?
I really think there is something good in the making, with strong potential. Just not as is. He's very close to good idea. The instructions requires too much machining to fit it to a lower. No customer wants to deal with that. I didn't quite understand why mess with the lock for upper/lower, or shave anything off the recoil block in the lower.
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Old December 04, 2019, 14:57   #22
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Does this get along with a regular old top cover? I see the spring wanting to flop around and bind in there without some sort of tube containing it.
The cover guides the spring, no needs for a tube
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Old December 13, 2019, 12:20   #23
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who knows the measures of this (spring tube guide) ??

M14 ?

Thread ?

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I'm very happy to see interest...but stick with an ACE folder. Better construction and worth the extra money.
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I have the RDIH product, that's the reason of my question
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Old December 14, 2019, 18:45   #26
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17/32-36 inch dims
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Old December 15, 2019, 01:27   #27
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Former FN Engineer

How long was this Engineer at FNH? Anybody with a mechanical Engineering degree can fine a Job in the world market.Keeping that job is another matter. Most are only good for 6 month's at 50K USD. I have a few friends that are weapons designers that are world Re-Known. What your friend did was reverse engineer something that wasn't really necessary,But maybe in the EU it was as the amount of FN-FAL Para parts are almost NON existent. If your friend was at the shot show, He's might be desperate as the USA market's are about the only market for innovation for the FN-FAL and DSA pretty much control's that market.
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Old December 15, 2019, 01:44   #28
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I read he was 35 years in the business, I know him as a provider of goods & service. Kind man.

http://www.rdih.be/00-home.html

Reverse engineering : yes but no receiver etc replaced.
All from original 50.00 ;

90 countries bought the FAL, if you suppress 2 (USA-Belgium), 88 potential remains.
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17/32-36 inch dims
Thank you,

Metric values 17/32 inch = 13,49 mm

Tapping Thread is still unknown.

When I measure with a gauje, I found 0,700 metric

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Thank you,

Metric values 17/32 inch = 13,49 mm

Tapping Thread is still unknown.

When I measure with a gauje, I found 0,700 metric
truthfully its a bastard thread best made on a lathe. Me no engineer only experienced and in need of work.
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Old December 20, 2019, 11:26   #31
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who knows the measures of these (spring tube guide) ??

M14 ? Thread ?

M12 ? Thread ?

Thank you

http://img.xooimage.com/files112/0/8...e2-56db7fc.jpg

http://img.xooimage.com/files111/4/6...15-56e0e5d.jpg

I'm still waiting for the technical bible of the FAL :-)

For Infos, I found that

Barrel : Dies 1.00" -16 tpi passend für FN-FAL;
...........Taps 1.00" -16 tpi fits FN-FAL

https://www.brownells-deutschland.de...ELLS-080598151
https://www.brownells.fr/epages/Fran...ObjectID=70497

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Fugly for sure..
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Old January 16, 2020, 02:32   #33
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who knows the measures of these (spring tube guide) ??

M14 ? Thread ?

M12 ? Thread ?

Thank you

http://img.xooimage.com/files112/0/8...e2-56db7fc.jpg

http://img.xooimage.com/files111/4/6...15-56e0e5d.jpg

I'm still waiting for the technical bible of the FAL :-)
Got the bible from Malingue Bruce, great book.

Because of US machine tools, all was done in Inch (*)

9/16 - 36 inch (14,2875 mm - thread 70,55556)

15/32 - 36 inch (11,90625 mm - thread idem)

(*) Metric FAL just means FAL produced in Countries using Metric measures
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yo its 9/16- 32 not 36
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Old January 17, 2020, 02:28   #35
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Guide Pratique FN-FAL by Bruce Malingue (Vol 1)
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Old January 19, 2020, 18:58   #36
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