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Old November 21, 2019, 19:00   #1
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Plugging Muzzle To Clean Copper From Bore?

I'm trying to clean what I think is copper fouling from a .303 Enfield. I finally got the copper solvent from my dealer and it says it is safe to leave in the bore so I plan to plug the muzzle and let it sit for awhile to soften the copper. My problem is just how to plug the muzzle? I understand the solvent stinks like amonia and I really don't want it leaking out and stinking everything up. I do plan on letting the action sit outside on the porch but it will be close to the door and I don't need the smell in the house. I know that they make the silicone plugs but I hate to buy any since the cost of shipping is a killer. Any ideas would be appreciated.
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Old November 21, 2019, 19:10   #2
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Plug the chamber with a good old fashioned test tube/small beaker rubber plug. I would not let it sit long - especially outside. If designed to dissolve copper/cupro-nickel metal alloys , the solvent if left too long will attack the bore itself. Let alone leaving the deal outside in ambient temps if cold slow the process and could gather potential harmful moisture.
Have you ever thought about buying something akin to outer's "foul out" system ?.
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Old November 21, 2019, 19:36   #3
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Pretty much agree with gew98. I would prolly just use a foaming bore cleaner according to the directions. Most of them work pretty well, although they may require multiple applications. Pretty sure there are YT videos on DIY Foul-Out construction.
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Old November 21, 2019, 20:34   #4
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Look for Break-Free bore cleaning foam. I decoppered an old SMLE with that stuff over a winter...just kept applying and reapplying till the patches stopped coming out blue. Took it to the range in the spring, and the results were like night and day.
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Old November 22, 2019, 00:46   #5
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I use Gun Slick Foaming Bore Cleaner. Multiple applications for the heavy stuff and old rifles. Doesn't smell, so I use it inside where it is warm. Just fill up the bore from the breech and lean it up in the corner with the muzzle down on some paper towels stuffed into a soda bottle with the top cut off. Might run a brush and couple of patches through it after every other application just to knock free the big stuff.

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Old November 22, 2019, 10:57   #6
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If the stuff smells "like Ammonia", it probably is and should not be left in the bore more than 10 minutes or so. Check the label on the product.

The fouling in old Brit rifles will try the patience of Job. Expect to spend a few weeks/months doing it up proper.
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Old November 22, 2019, 14:15   #7
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I checked Brownell's, Midway and even Amazon and the Gun Slick has been discontuned. Funny because all the reviews I read about said it was safe, had no harsh chemicals and no smell. The product I ordered from my dealer iis Montana Extreme 50 BMG Copper Remover. I opened it to see just what the smell was like and no ammonia but a very harsh chemical smell that made my eyes water and really lingered in my sinuses. I only opened it and got a wiff as it came out of the bottle. I really wouldn't want to use inside as I think it would kill small pets and maybe larger ones too. It is really bad.I will try to find the brake free today.
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Old November 22, 2019, 14:39   #8
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I just checked Brownell's and the story is the same as with the Gun slick, discontinued. I wonder what goverment agency had a hand in removing products that actually worked?
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I have the standard Montana X-treme, not sure what is different with the 50 cal stuff.
Yup, this stuff stinks enough to drive a Polecat envious. I don't use it in the house for sure.

Contents:
glycol ether
ammonia oil
alcohol
petroleum distillates

Instructions do not warn about leaving the stuff in the bore, but they do say to run dry patches after use and recommend use of a "Bore Conditioner", their brand, of course.

I wouldn't leave this stuff in a bore to soak, but I don't have a lot of experience with it. I've been using Barnes CR-10 for fouling lately. Not as smelly as Montana.
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Do a search.

Some internet people state that never cleaning is best; other are more compulsive, about bore cleaning.

Break in a bbl? Same deal.
Some clean every shot for 50, other just shoot 50 and clean, maybe.

Bore snakes with solvent are great for removing carbon fouling, and are fast, cheap to buy.

Some cleaning is better than no cleaning?????, if so bore snakes are great at the range.


"Shooters choice" and "Butches Bore Shine" are good copper solvents and are still available.

Leaving ammonia in a bore too long, is bad or good, depending upon who you can believe.
Ammonia turns copper to a blue/green colored substance.

Clean first with acetone/lacquer thinner, or bore cleaner, to get rid of carbon fouling, with rod and brush/patches at home, or with bore snakes.

Then an ammonia base solvent with brushes/ patches---"blue stained patches come out??"

Then maybe a bore fill o rjust a wet bore with ammonia solvent or even 2% household ammonia cleaner for a few hours, and then check again with patches until they come out clean and not bluegreen.
Ammonia will not hurt steel, but may remove bluing.

Lapping a bore with bore paste is said to help prevent bore fouling.

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Old November 23, 2019, 19:19   #11
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I just checked at Midway and the Outer's Foul Out Kits are listed as discontinued. The only foaming bore cleaner I could find was from Otis so anyone have an experience useing this for copper fouling? I'd be glad for any imput. I can't figure what the deal is with the foaming bore cleaners, if anyone knows I'd like to find out what the deal is. I was searching online and on an Enfield forum the mentioned Blue Wonder, again any experience with this as far as removing copper fouling?
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I used B12 Chemtool on an Enfield that had blue/green fuzz in the barrel from the Cu fouling...took it all right out. Non chlorinated brake cleaner will work as well. This will chemically strip the gun metal, and will require oiling immediately after cleaning.

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I just checked at Midway and the Outer's Foul Out Kits are listed as discontinued. The only foaming bore cleaner I could find was from Otis so anyone have an experience useing this for copper fouling? I'd be glad for any imput. I can't figure what the deal is with the foaming bore cleaners, if anyone knows I'd like to find out what the deal is. I was searching online and on an Enfield forum the mentioned Blue Wonder, again any experience with this as far as removing copper fouling?
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Believe Hoppe's has a foaming bore cleaner now if you're still interested. Shouldn't be hard to find, maybe Walmart, as I know they carry Hoppe's cleaning gear.
No experience with it nor Blue Wonder.
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Old December 03, 2019, 22:53   #14
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I have had good luck with hoppies Benchrest bore cleaner ,,I keep it in a squeeze bottle and squirt it in the barrel until it runs out then turn the barrel around till I know all is covered inside -leave overnight or a day then scrub with a brush --repeat as necessary

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