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Old May 25, 2019, 21:29   #1
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Buying C&R guns in New York

I'll be visiting upstate NY in a couple weeks for about 2 weeks. I thought l would maybe pack one copy of my C&R license with me just in case l find something.

Probably very little chance I'll have time to actually hit any gunshops though.

So my question is, does NY have any funky laws that would make this more of a hassle than it should be?

It's my first time visiting there so l have absolutely no first hand experience with their flavor of tyranny.
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Old May 26, 2019, 08:58   #2
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I believe you can purchase long guns legally there but be prepared to be told you can't by the dealer. A few years ago I was in a small shop in upstate NY and asked to see an engraved H&R Sportsman revolver that was in the case. The shop owner asked to see my NYS permit (LTC) and I produced a 01 FFL from NH and he said only NYS permit holders can look at or handle handguns. I told him that it would be shipped to NH and that I would not be taking possession of the revolver in NY but he still refused. There was no arguing with him either and he asked me to leave the store. It seems that the laws are to much trouble to understand for some folks and they would rather remain ignorant and operate in a way that they feel is safe.

I do know that if you are a C&R holder in NYS and want to buy a C&R handgun from out of state (or even in a LGS) that you still have do the 4473 thing with a 01 FFL holder and get the purchase approved by the authorities to have the handgun added to the list on your permit. No having it shipped directly to your residence as stated on the C&R.
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Old May 26, 2019, 10:28   #3
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Thanks Gazz. That's about what l expected. Pretty much a no-go on handguns but probably not to difficult with long guns.
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Old May 27, 2019, 08:24   #4
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I believe you can purchase long guns legally there but be prepared to be told you can't by the dealer. A few years ago I was in a small shop in upstate NY and asked to see an engraved H&R Sportsman revolver that was in the case. The shop owner asked to see my NYS permit (LTC) and I produced a 01 FFL from NH and he said only NYS permit holders can look at or handle handguns. I told him that it would be shipped to NH and that I would not be taking possession of the revolver in NY but he still refused. There was no arguing with him either and he asked me to leave the store. It seems that the laws are to much trouble to understand for some folks and they would rather remain ignorant and operate in a way that they feel is safe.

I do know that if you are a C&R holder in NYS and want to buy a C&R handgun from out of state (or even in a LGS) that you still have do the 4473 thing with a 01 FFL holder and get the purchase approved by the authorities to have the handgun added to the list on your permit. No having it shipped directly to your residence as stated on the C&R.
He wasent ignorant,,he was following the letter of the state law,, which has no exception for your out of state ffl, it holds zero weight in NY for a handgun.
Been that way since well before the 90's when I had a store there.

If some store in NY did let you handle a handgun with just an out of state ffl, it was just by courtesy and against the law.

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Old May 28, 2019, 07:13   #5
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It would have the late 90's when I had to go Cornell University to pack up a million dollar machine that the school had bought but never used. I stopped at a LGS somewhere east of there in NYS and bought two C&R type handguns, one very nice S&W M&P (pre model 10) and a Webley .32 auto pistol. They were both shipped to my home in NH as both were C&R. I guess that dealer did not know or care about NYS laws. Earlier in that decade, I tried to buy an antique Colt revolver, an 1889 DA from a shop in Bergen, NY. Nope, I could not buy it since I did not have NYS permit. I showed him my C&R and still no deal, even if he shipped it to my house. I came back a couple of weeks later with a 01 FFL from a local (NH) shop and the guy handed it over to me! I do believe that NYS looks at any cartridge firing handgun regardless of being antique as something that has to be on a permit.
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Your part about any cartridge handgun is true,,,no such thing as c&r there..even including muzzle loaders or percussion revolvers, IF LOADED or even unloaded IF you possess the means to load them.
Better not get busted shooting your front stuffing colt or remmy,,,IF its not on your permit.
And while an out of state ffl carries zero weight, an.active duty NY police officer may buy and walk out with any handgun anywhere in the state.
At least that was the krazy laws when I was in the trade there in the 90's,,,Im sure its only gotten worse since....
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