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Old February 16, 2020, 12:31   #1
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DSA Vs PSA barrel quality?

I have a DSA nitride barrel one 1/9
Been thinking of shooting much heavier bullets in this thing.
Is there really any quality difference on pSA in 1/7 nitride from DSA?

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Old February 16, 2020, 13:03   #2
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If Iím understanding your question correctly in that you are comparing DSA barrels against PSA barrels and not the twist rates.

I would say it depends on the barrel from PSA and what you are trying to do with it. It your plan is to shoot tiny groups at long range I would say look at other barrel makers/suppliers. PSA has a variety of options in barrels some are better than others. However, they arenít generally considered top shelf or high end barrels. They are probably more mid to low end barrels.

DSA has had their ups and downs with their FAL builds. However, I havenít heard of any real issues with their AR 15 builds or parts. I personally donít own or know someone who has a DSA AR15 , so I canít really say where they are as far as quality. If I had to place them somewhere I would put them in the middle of the pack.

If you are wanting to bang steel targets at distance and arenít to concerned with group size I think either a DSA or quality PSA barrel would work for you. Now if you want small groups at long range I would look at White Oak or AR Performance barrels. Iím sure Huey will be along to recommend some other brands as well.
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Old February 16, 2020, 13:13   #3
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Barrel twist is more important that the treatment type for barrels. The heavier bullets requires fast twist that light bullets due.
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Old February 16, 2020, 14:17   #4
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Both are nitride and the same profile.
I assume both are buttons rifled.
That just means the difference is twist and perhaps quality

Since I want to sling heavier projectiles reasonably accurately into objects up to 250yds and am not trying to necessarily set records, it’s logical to me that Using a psa barrel will be no worse for me overall if I run into one reasonably priced.
The thought is that I just don’t see needing to drop another $100-150 over the price of a psa if the psa will sling 69-77gr 223 projectiles into a golf ball at 50yds

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Old February 16, 2020, 15:20   #5
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AR15perfomance barrels run around $180 and are Wylde chambered with 1/8 twist. I have a AR15Per barrel and it's solid as a rock.
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Old February 16, 2020, 18:50   #6
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Ballistic Advantage makes some accurate barrels for the money.

Can get them at a good price at http://graniteridgeoutfitters.com
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Ballistic Advantage makes some accurate barrels for the money.

Can get them at a good price at http://graniteridgeoutfitters.com
I concur. Excellent barrels, regardless of price!
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Old February 17, 2020, 09:50   #8
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Is it true that Ballistic Advantage makes the barrels for Aero Precision?

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Both are nitride and the same profile.
I assume both are buttons rifled.
That just means the difference is twist and perhaps quality

Since I want to sling heavier projectiles reasonably accurately into objects up to 250yds and am not trying to necessarily set records, itís logical to me that Using a psa barrel will be no worse for me overall if I run into one reasonably priced.
The thought is that I just donít see needing to drop another $100-150 over the price of a psa if the psa will sling 69-77gr 223 projectiles into a golf ball at 50yds
Have you TRIED 69 grn bullets in your 1-9"? 77 grainers is likely a stretch, but my 1-9 handles up to 70 grains quite well. I haven't tried heavier than that, normally shoot 55 to 65 grain bullets in 1-8 and 1-9 barrels.
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Is it true that Ballistic Advantage makes the barrels for Aero Precision?

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They are in cahoots, having formed some kind of partnership, got an email from them 'bout 6 months ago informing of that.
End of last year, got an AERO M5 Receiver set and Handguards with Ballistic Advantage barrel as a package deal from AERO.
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Old February 17, 2020, 17:57   #11
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Are those Ballistic Advantage barrels comparable to Wilson Combat ?
I dont know how much their discount is, but they seem comparably priced otherwise.
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Old February 17, 2020, 22:59   #12
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The average 16 inch 1 in 9 twist will stabilize 69 grain bullets, but barely. The 60 VMax will be a lot more accurate. The DSA or PSA uppers shoot ok, I have both, but nothing to write home about. I have a Black Hole Weaponry (now called Columbia River Arms) upper that will almost put them in one hole at 100 yards. Once you shoot a real accurate upper, you will find the run of the mill ones lacking.
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Old February 18, 2020, 05:43   #13
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Comparing quality of DSA and PSA is like comparing difference between a KIA and a Hyundai. Yes some models are better than others but bottom line is both are budget Johnny-come-latelies. Now if you want a premium barrel you could buy White Oak Armament, Noveske and Compass Lake Engineering for your AR along with others and get a tube that's top line.

Then there are a plethora of mid quality and cheap cap barrels of which there are so many players it's hard to keep up with who is who. When you mention Ballistic Advantage barrels are you talking their entry line or their BA Hansen tunes which are totally different animals? I would not buy their Ballistic Advantage line but will buy their BA Hansen line. At one time it was easier to discover who made what bareel for Palmetto bUT not so much these days.

As Meltdown mentioned ARP aka AR Performance likely makes the best $175 to $215 barrels consistently of any maker I have tied. Have at least fifteen ARP barrels that shoot 1 MOA and under. Have a 20" 22 Nosler 3R barrel from ARP that is an easy coyote rifle out to 500-600 yards as well as TAC 6 and 270 AR tunes that will ruin a varmints day out to 500-600 yard range and a human size critter to 800 yards. I purchased an 18" 6.8 spc II barrel from them expecting it to be a 1 MOA rifle out to maybe 200 yards and minute of man out to 400-500 yards.

That 18" 6.8 barrel now has over a dozen cold bore first round kills on coyote and ground hogs in the 380 to 420 yard range and only reason not more and out to longer ranges is I tend to carry a 22 Nosler when know I am going to be in long open terrain and want an AR 15 rather than a bolt action. The 18" 6.8 will put twenty out of twenty rounds into a silhouette target at 800 yards if have a good read on distance, wind and no mirage or parallax issues.

To answer your initial question if wanting to shoot heavy bullets out of a 5.56 a 1:7 should do it and a 1:9 should struggle but that is if barrels are of comparable quality. In 5.56 I have more 1:8 tubes than 1:7 or 1:9. I don't shoot many 77 grain or heavier and my varmint tubes in 5.56 are usually 22" to 26" 1:12. I really like a 1:8 twist as it seems to love the 62 to 69 grain weights I prefer. I can make a 69 grain SMK shoot like magic in a good 1:8 but two of my better shooting rifles now aready 1:7.7. The question is projectile, weight, distance and wind potential when choosing a barrel then buy the best you can. Odds are your getting a Lothar-Walther barrel if buy a Wilson. YMMV
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Odds are your getting a Lothar-Walther barrel if buy a Wilson. YMMV
I'll take that,,,,

Btw,,,if anyone is looking for a SS 16" heavy varmint 223 1:9 carbine barrel, Lothar-Walther themselves has some on close out dirt cheap....like $140.
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Then there are a plethora of mid quality and cheap cap barrels of which there are so many players it's hard to keep up with who is who. When you mention Ballistic Advantage barrels are you talking their entry line or their BA Hansen tunes which are totally different animals? I would not buy their Ballistic Advantage line but will buy their BA Hansen line. At one time it was easier to discover who made what bareel for Palmetto bUT not so much these days.
I've been buying the Ballistic Advantage Hanson line barrels
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I've been buying the Ballistic Advantage Hanson line barrels
Same here... awesome little barrels. Gas ports are perfectly sized for most applications. The supplied pinned gas block also aids in a painless home build.
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