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Old February 08, 2020, 09:55   #1
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National Drug Threat Assessment Report - Not Good

The link shitter is back. After Reviewing the national drug report as summarized by the good folks at borderline beat the story is not pretty Unless you’re a pro drug dip shit in which case this report should be very encouraging. There are drugs flooding into Oklahoma so what does our dumbass governor do, he goes after the Indian tribes to try to squeeze a little more money out of them.

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Mexican TCOs: Mexican TCOs remain the greatest criminal drug threat to the United States; no other groups are currently positioned to challenge them. The Sinaloa Cartel maintains the most expansive footprint in the United States, while the Jalisco New Generation Cartel (Cartel Jalisco Nueva Generación or CJNG) has become the second-most dominant domestic presence over the past few years.
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Mexican drug cartels will soon have retail spaces at this rate. I'm sure there are many people here in the US profiting from all of this, that is why it doesn't go away.
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Mexican drug cartels will soon have retail spaces at this rate. I'm sure there are many people here in the US GOVERNMENT profiting from all of this, that is why it doesn't go away.
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Iff you don't want to buy a gun, then don't.

Oops. .I mean If you don't want to buy drugs, then don't.

Where is the problem? It's supply and demand working.

The problem is personal responsibility. We need to stop treating people who OD with taxpayer money. Let them enjoy the consequences of their choices.

The demand will diminish exponentially.
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An alarming trend is the increasing presence of Asian MLOs engaged in the laundering of drug proceeds on behalf of the Mexican TCOs. This trend is a result of the imposition of a cap by the Government of China on foreign exchange transactions ($50,000/year) and overseas withdrawals on Chinese bank issued credit and debit cards ($15,000/year). The demand of Chinese nationals to transfer their wealth outside of China and into the United States has fueled the demand for U.S. dollars.
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Iff you don't want to buy a gun, then don't.

Oops. .I mean If you don't want to buy drugs, then don't.

Where is the problem? It's supply and demand working.

The problem is personal responsibility. We need to stop treating people who OD with taxpayer money. Let them enjoy the consequences of their choices.

The demand will diminish exponentially.
Hard to argue with this. It's Darwinian.


That said, methamphetamine is a chemical weapon as far as I'm concerned. Anyone who makes it or transports it here is committing an act of war. Long ago, the Chinese thought opium fell into that category as well.
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I have presented the latest info. If it doesn’t fit your perspective I cold care less.
So you are link shitting. . . . Again.

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Hard to argue with this. It's Darwinian.


That said, methamphetamine is a chemical weapon as far as I'm concerned. Anyone who makes it or transports it here is committing an act of war. Long ago, the Chinese thought opium fell into that category as well.
An act of war against who?


The problem is not drugs, the problem is sympathy for those who abuse drugs. When we as a society simply let them die, the "problem" becomes self-limiting.

There will always be people looking for an escape from reality. The "problem" is created by government restricting access to a product in demand. With that restriction comes a motivation for black market.

Colonists smuggled tea to avoid the British tax. Even when the crown subsidized BEIC tea, so even with the tax it was cheaper than smuggled tea; many colonists still preferred the slightly more expensive smuggled tea on the principle of rejecting the tax. It's one of the few examples I can think of where ideology tweaked an otherwise economic decision.

With the black market comes a desire to increase profit by decreasing costs - and with no market "branding" or quality standards, the quality of the product decreases.

One should be able to buy cocaine or a machinegun over the counter at Walmart with no regulation, and a reasonable expectation of "as advertised" quality for either inanimate object.

Sure - some people will behave badly with either product. Regulate their public behavior, not the object.
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An act of war against who?


The problem is not drugs, the problem is sympathy for those who abuse drugs. When we as a society simply let them die, the "problem" becomes self-limiting.

There will always be people looking for an escape from reality. The "problem" is created by government restricting access to a product in demand. With that restriction comes a motivation for black market.

Colonists smuggled tea to avoid the British tax. Even when the crown subsidized BEIC tea, so even with the tax it was cheaper than smuggled tea; many colonists still preferred the slightly more expensive smuggled tea on the principle of rejecting the tax. It's one of the few examples I can think of where ideology tweaked an otherwise economic decision.

With the black market comes a desire to increase profit by decreasing costs - and with no market "branding" or quality standards, the quality of the product decreases.

One should be able to buy cocaine or a machinegun over the counter at Walmart with no regulation, and a reasonable expectation of "as advertised" quality for either inanimate object.

Sure - some people will behave badly with either product. Regulate their public behavior, not the object.
Except methamphetamine doesn't kill you for a long time. It turns you into a psychotic shell with little hope of recovery. It does kill a few, and destroys almost everyone who gets involved though. Some drugs really are worse than others.
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Except methamphetamine doesn't kill you for a long time. It turns you into a psychotic shell with little hope of recovery. It does kill a few, and destroys almost everyone who gets involved though. Some drugs really are worse than others.
I don't think this invalidates any of Marks' observations. If anything, it reinforces them. Any meth head who breaks into my house, or assaults a member of my family or myself, etc, etc, is not going to take a long time to die. I think most here would feel the same.
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Ironic...too much of the bad sort of drugs,while we experience shortages of the variety that benefit our society. I'm no fan of drugs of any sort,but sometimes,they are necessary.
I can't believe how dependant we have become upon china,for our pharma stuff.

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Ironic...too much of the bad sort of drugs,while we experience shortages of the variety that benefit our society. I'm no fan of drugs of any sort,but sometimes,they are necessary.
I can't believe how dependant we have become upon china,for our pharma stuff.

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I dare you to find anything on prescription box or the enclosure that says the country of origin on many drugs. Only the distributor. I found that odd. I do have a bottle of allergy pills that are made in India. Man that's some comforting shit there.
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Here, most people cook their own meth and prescription drugs are a huge problem. You could cut out all the imported stuff and there would still be a big problem with what's domestically available.

And as it's always been, alcohol is still the #1 most abused drug causing most of the problems.
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The link shitter is back. After Reviewing the national drug report as summarized by the good folks at borderline beat the story is not pretty Unless you’re a pro drug dip shit in which case this report should be very encouraging. There are drugs flooding into Oklahoma so what does our dumbass governor(the second Native Governor Oklahoma has had) do, he goes after the Indian tribes to try to squeeze a little more money out of them.

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Mexican TCOs: Mexican TCOs remain the greatest criminal drug threat to the United States; no other groups are currently positioned to challenge them. The Sinaloa Cartel maintains the most expansive footprint in the United States, while the Jalisco New Generation Cartel (Cartel Jalisco Nueva Generación or CJNG) has become the second-most dominant domestic presence over the past few years.

Why do you support the government dictating what men can buy and sell?
I'm startin' to think you were a good fit for New Mexico....Taos is pretty.

GP, as he often does - nails this.
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Oh I don't know but it's just my opinion ya'll are missing the truth but it really doesn't matter I guess because you can't change things. You will live with the problem. The problem is the culture and society drive, entice, lure people to drugs. They create a mindset in weak minded people that tells them they would rather be on drugs than living in this world sober minded.

It's the world created for you and you will blame your neighbor for his weakness rather than blame those who destroy the culture.
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Freedom and responsibility on the individual. Not that complicated.

Smokers get COPD, alcoholics, drug addicts...broken lives.

Darwin wins in the end.
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I've never figured out what possesses someone to want to try hard drugs. Anyone with half a brain whose graduated high school in the last 30 years knows that stuff isn't good for you and it never ends well. Why anyone would think they're smarter than that is beyond me.
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Freedom and responsibility on the individual. Not that complicated.

Smokers get COPD, alcoholics, drug addicts...broken lives.

Darwin wins in the end.
Oh I don't know. Do you think when the culture forces both parents to work and their kid is put under peer pressure to do drugs that it's freedom?

A lot of the kids I went to school with did drugs, it was the popular thing to do, part of the culture created by your peers. When I got out of school and worked construction you didn't work if you didn't drink with the crew. It was the culture in those days.

The results are obvious to the point that the culture is driving people to escape this world. Drug addicts are slow suicides, people who hate the culture they are forced to live in.

It's just my opinion that freedom and responsibilitie isn't being taught in schools and young people really don't have a good chance to avoid the drug scourge and peer pressure. It's by design my cynical nature tells me.

One last point and I will leave you be. Good friend was very healthy and had a good job, great wife and two wonderful kids. He was doing everything right and was sure to be a sucess. Very smart guy and got promoted to run a store. He was driving home after a visit and was killed by freedom loving drunk driving illegals along with his wife.

That wasn't Darwin winning.
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Oh I don't know. Do you think when the culture forces both parents to work and their kid is put under peer pressure to do drugs that it's freedom?

The culture forced...victim mentality

A lot of the kids I went to school with did drugs, it was the popular thing to do, part of the culture created by your peers. When I got out of school and worked construction you didn't work if you didn't drink with the crew. It was the culture in those days.

Not my experience, maybe you picked a poor employer?

The results are obvious to the point that the culture is driving people to escape this world. Drug addicts are slow suicides, people who hate the culture they are forced to live in.

Then why am I sitting here stone-cold sober? You think my life has been roses and sunshine? More victim mentality.

It's just my opinion that freedom and responsibilitie isn't being taught in schools and young people really don't have a good chance to avoid the drug scourge and peer pressure. It's by design my cynical nature tells me.

Seriously "don't have a good chance"? C'mon. Look at the honor students, the successes.

One last point and I will leave you be. Good friend was very healthy and had a good job, great wife and two wonderful kids. He was doing everything right and was sure to be a sucess. Very smart guy and got promoted to run a store. He was driving home after a visit and was killed by freedom loving drunk driving illegals along with his wife.

So - #1, illegals shouldn't be driving, #2 - drunk driving itself is illegal. Your anecdote has zero to do with the subject at hand.

That wasn't Darwin winning.
Equating an illegal alien breaking a couple laws has exactly what to do with importation of drugs?

If any point is to be made, you illustrated that even though laws are on the books, DUI roadblocks, all kinds of government sanctioned BS to prevent drunk driving - a tragedy still occurred.
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Equating an illegal alien breaking a couple laws has exactly what to do with importation of drugs?

Are you on drugs when you wrote that? Come on Ted really?

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If any point is to be made, you illustrated that even though laws are on the books, DUI roadblocks, all kinds of government sanctioned BS to prevent drunk driving - a tragedy still occurred.
What I have pointed out is how easy it is to get and do drugs and alcohol. Folks want the freedom and I am all for freedom too but if you harm anyone with your freedom then you should pay the same price you put them through. If you killed someone while you drove drunk then you should die. If you harmed someone then you should pay for the rest of your life until restitution is made.

However we know those things won't happen or it may stop some of the drug trade. If user knew there was going to be a big penalty then the smart ones wouldn't take chances with the lives of others.

Do you drive drunk Ted? Do you risk it after you get drunk?
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There is no freedom in this culture created for us by criminals. The mess is someone's making and I don't believe people want to live in this mess. However it won't change in our lifetime so we will learn to live with it.
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What I have pointed out is how easy it is to get and use assault weapons. Folks want the freedom and I am all for freedom too but if you harm anyone with your freedom then you should pay the same price you put them through. If you killed someone while shooting then you should die. If you harmed someone then you should pay for the rest of your life until restitution is made.

However we know those things won't happen or it may stop some of the gun trade. If user knew there was going to be a big penalty then the smart ones wouldn't take chances with the lives of others.

Do you drive drunk Ted? Do you risk it after you get drunk?
I don't drink, do drugs, gamble or watch football.

As most here know, my oldest son killed himself in 2017. He was an opiate addict. Brought up in a Christian home - absolutely no nonsense, middle-class with married parents.

I hate it with every particle of my being. My fking eyes hurt most days because I still cry like a baby over it, often.

No law prevented it. The sellers of his preferred drug are licensed and protected by the United States government. It was his choice to start, it was his choice to die rather than live sober.

At least he was free, and made his own choices.
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I don't drink, do drugs, gamble or watch football.

As most here know, my oldest son killed himself in 2017. He was an opiate addict. Brought up in a Christian home - absolutely no nonsense, middle-class with married parents.

I hate it with every particle of my being. My fking eyes hurt most days because I still cry like a baby over it, often.

No law prevented it. The sellers of his preferred drug are licensed and protected by the United States government. It was his choice to start, it was his choice to die rather than live sober.

At least he was free, and made his own choices.
Sorry for your loss but addiction isn't freedom, it's a slavery only death takes away. My oldest brother was 12 years older than me and died at 36 from drug addiction. My wife of over 40 years died of tobacco addiction. My best friend for many years died from alcohol.

Everyone gets started down the path for one reason or another but by their friends. Who else could talk you into doing stupid things. It's the culture and we won't change it because we can't but it should change. Too many good people are lost to us.
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Sorry for your loss but addiction isn't freedom, it's a slavery only death takes away. My oldest brother was 12 years older than me and died at 36 from drug addiction. My wife of over 40 years died of tobacco addiction. My best friend for many years died from alcohol.

Everyone gets started down the path for one reason or another but by their friends. Who else could talk you into doing stupid things. It's the culture and we won't change it because we can't but it should change. Too many good people are lost to us.
Humans make bad choices, that's just life.

Getting the government to intervene only makes things worse.
Addiction isn't freedom, that is 100% correct. One forges his own fetters.
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Getting the government to intervene only makes things worse.
Addiction isn't freedom, that is 100% correct. One forges his own fetters.
Government will intervene but only to take over sales to the addicts. Just like booze the government will get their share of the action. They are the cause of our failing culture.
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Drugs have been trying to fight for many years and someone is leading this fight and has a lot of income from it.
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People need to learn how to think with their own heads and make decisions. Now many people know about the dangers of smoking.

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People need to learn how to think with their own heads and make decisions. Now many people know about the dangers of smoking.
I'm not sure I understand why people take up smoking nowadays, either. It's fairly widely known that it's addictive and isn't good for you.
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Cartels are involved in slavery, loan sharking, murder, drugs, identity theft, prostitution, stolen cars, blackmail, kidnapping, poaching, and lots of other stuff. Time to declare them terrorist organizations. Hooking more kids on drugs is good biz practice. For cartels. For kids its hell. And their families.
But it looks like utah will legalize polygamy. More perversion.
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