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Old August 29, 2019, 08:22   #1
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Strange negative feedback from Gunplumber

I found this negative feedback last night after work, stating that I "crawfished" out of a transaction with him. I have asked the moderators to remove it.

http://www.falfiles.com/forums/itrad...=88917&u=64904

I posted an Imbel L1A1 receiver in Marketplace for $550, for that evening only. Discrete PP only.

Mark posted, ""well, I think you're a cnut, but I'll take it for $550 shipped, paid by check, and I'll turn it in a few days for + $150."

I replied that I wouldn't buy or sell to anyone whom I thought was a "cnut."
Mark has repeatedly made direct childish and nasty comments toward me in the past, yet he is willing to send $550 to me for an item? That makes ZERO sense to me.

I also stated that my past two transactions with Mark were not favorable (in fact, I felt that he passive aggressively screwed me over, but I never made a stink about it... I ate it and walked... I should have known better, my bad).

Based upon the above, I clearly replied to Mark in the thread, that I would not sell to him. He obviously read my response, as he noted details in the negative feedback that he left for me.

The moderators have repeatedly reinforced that a seller can refuse sale to anyone, for any reason.

I deleted the thread before going to bed, as I had no other takers (as the receiver was offered for that night only, and what I thought was an awesome offer to post of the files, the thread was heading sideways. If fact, I initially requested that the thread be locked, but decided to delete it and move on, rather than perpetuate drama.

Again, I have asked the moderators to please remove the feedback, as Mark and I had never engaged in a transaction over the item this item... nor will I enter into another transaction with Mark, for any reason.

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Old August 29, 2019, 08:57   #3
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Cnut = King of Denmark and Norway who forced Edmund II to divide England with him; on the death of Edmund II, Canute became king of all England (994-1035).

Why didn't you want to sell to GP because he thought you were royalty?
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Cnut = King of Denmark and Norway who forced Edmund II to divide England with him; on the death of Edmund II, Canute became king of all England (994-1035).

Why didn't you want to sell to GP because he thought you were royalty?


I noted why above (multiple legitimate reasons in my opinion)... which is redundant, as you have reinforced in the past, any seller can refuse a sales to anyone, regardless of the reason.

Mark and I never engaged in a transaction for the receiver. There was no agreement or transaction agreed upon. There are zero grounds for him to leave feedback.

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Old August 29, 2019, 11:28   #5
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I'm sure the moderators can resurrect the post.

If indeed, it says "discreet paypal" (only) then I will retract my post with apologies. I believe you included "check or money order" as a payment option.

Because I am not a liar, cheat, and thief - so I will not conspire with a seller to defraud paypal, by lying about the nature of a transaction that violates PayPal user agreement.

You made an offer, I accepted, you crawfished.

You should be banned from marketplace, if not the FalFiles as a whole.

We don't need dishonest people like you around here.
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I'm sure the moderators can resurrect the post.

If indeed, it says "discreet paypal" (only) then I will retract my post with apologies. I believe you included "check or money order" as a payment option.

Because I am not a liar, cheat, and thief - so I will not conspire with a seller to defraud paypal, by lying about the nature of a transaction that violates PayPal user agreement.

You made an offer, I accepted, you crawfished.

You should be banned from marketplace, if not the FalFiles as a whole.

We don't need dishonest people like you around here.
No, I didn't crawfish. I refused to do business with you. Plain and simple. That sentiment still holds.

…I remembered wrong, apparently I did state check/money order.
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Old August 29, 2019, 11:46   #7
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I'm sure the moderators can resurrect the post.

If indeed, it says "discreet paypal" (only) then I will retract my post with apologies. I believe you included "check or money order" as a payment option.
See underlinded. PayPal, Check/Money Order.


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Thank you for resurrecting the thread.

Yep, I remembered wrong. I did state that I would accept check or money order. I deleted the thread August 19th.

This was also my response to Mark.... I CLEARLY refused to do business with him. I was drumming up cash for a purchase, I recall that I requested Prompt and discrete PP, obviously I was mistaken.

We never engaged in a transaction. A seller can refuse to sell to anyone, is that not correct?

http://www.falfiles.com/forums/showp...13&postcount=9

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well, I think you're a cnut, but I'll take it for $550 shipped, paid by check, and I'll turn it in a few days for + $150.

And I'll even sell to Graham Neal, who can be tedious (10 emails is not better than one!), but his word has been good. Which in the long and short of it, is the ONLY measure of a man. Pureveggie, I dunnno - don't wanna go there. Don't like the vibe.

"I wouldn't give a cent to a person that I think was a "cnut," nor would a accept a cent from one.

But you will.

That speaks volumes.

I'm not interested with dealing with you. I did in the past. I trusted you despite our childish "tit for tat" quips on a stupid internet forum, and you f**ked me over... not once, but twice. Strike one, my fault. Strike two, my fault. Not going to happen again.

Have a nice day.

Receiver is still for sale. "
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Old August 29, 2019, 12:00   #9
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No, I didn't crawfish. I refused to do business with you. Plain and simple. That sentiment still holds.
You listed two people who were ineligible for to accept your offer. I was not one of them.

Changing the terms of your offer after acceptance, is dishonest. It is something that future potential buyers need to be aware of.

My feedback is accurate and should stand. You offered, I accepted your terms, you crawfished.
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A seller can refuse to sell to anyone. This was routinely been enforced by the moderators.

Mark and I never engaged in a transaction. I clearly refused to sell to him, and my reasoning was rational.

Mark has been very vocal about his disdain for me, why would I expect that you would send me $$$ for anything? Hell, even his "I'll take it" was condescending, "well, I think you're a cnut, but I'll take it for $550 shipped, paid by check, and I'll turn it in a few days for + $150."

I cannot crawfish out of a transaction that we never engaged in. The feedback left for me is unwarranted. It should be removed.
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Old August 29, 2019, 12:51   #11
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You listed two people who were ineligible for to accept your offer. I was not one of them.
By excluding the 2 people he included everyone else that could pay by PP, Check & MO.

It'll be interesting to see what everyone else comes up with.
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By excluding the 2 people he included everyone else that could pay by PP, Check & MO.

It'll be interesting to see what everyone else comes up with.
It's been discussed in the past.....

http://www.falfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=413715
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It's been discussed in the past.....

http://www.falfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=413715
I didn't read every single post but a quick scan didn't reveal that GP doesn't have the right to post a negative feedback.
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I didn't read every single post but a quick scan didn't reveal that GP doesn't have the right to post a negative feedback.
What gives him the right to post negative feedback? No transaction took place. Is this a precedent that you want to set for marketplace?
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What gives him the right to post negative feedback? No transaction took place. Is this a precedent that you want to set for marketplace?
You excluded who you didn't want. GP wasn't on the list.
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You excluded who you didn't want. GP wasn't on the list.
Where doesn’t it state that I have to specifically state whom a person chooses not to do business with? It has been clearly discussed that a seller can choose not to business with anyone.

Mark also made made a smart ass comment and called me a “cnut” in the same breath as stating I’ll take it. 99% of our community would have told Mark to piss off under the same circumstances. That shouldn’t warrant negative retaliatory feedback.
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Where doesn’t it state that I have to specifically state whom a person chooses not to do business with? It has been clearly discussed that a seller can choose not to business with anyone.

Mark also made made a smart ass comment and called me a “cnut” in the same breath as stating I’ll take it. 99% of our community would have told Mark to piss off under the same circumstances. That shouldn’t warrant negative retaliatory feedback.

I have to agree with LJ on this one. Calling someone a cnut in an "I'll take it" then getting pissy when they won't sell to you? I call BS.

If GP, or the fuggen Queen of Sheba, or anyone else pulled that on me, I would tell them to piss up a rope as well.

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I have to say, this is quite the Cnundrum...
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Metoo, I cnut either but thats just my 89 cnuts worth!
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Except you are a cnut. Don't get all pissy because I noticed.
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I have to agree with LJ on this one. Calling someone a cnut in an "I'll take it" then getting pissy when they won't sell to you? I call BS.

If GP, or the fuggen Queen of Sheba, or anyone else pulled that on me, I would tell them to piss up a rope as well.

My two cents FWIW.
+1 Pretty sure if the shoe was on the other foot at ARS, the sale would have been refused.
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Is this Imbel still for sale at 550.00??????
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Is this Imbel still for sale at 550.00??????
Depends on lockjaw's mood.
She's been testy lately, happens with menopause.
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Business trumps emotion. Its what built this country. I dont care if you dont like me, if Im selling something and you have money Ill sell it to you.
Worst case I dont like you and I got your money.
Best case we might find some common ground and bury the hatchet.

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Business trumps emotion. Its what built this country. I dont care if you dont like me, if Im selling something and you have money Ill sell it to you.
Worst case I dont like you and I got your money.
Best case we might find some common ground and bury the hatchet.

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I have to say, this is quite the Cnundrum...
The "Cnundrum" only comes in as LJ has made "the list" of many members by trolling the MP himself many times, and in some of his other random posts. Regardless of my opinion of him personally, I don't think he is wrong in this case. He and I actually communicated a few months back and he got off "my list" for a while. Some of his more recent MP posts have put him back on there, but that is unrelated to my opinion of this matter.

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Except you are a cnut. Don't get all pissy because I noticed.
As I stated above, I think you are in the wrong here Mark. Not because I think your opinion of LJ is inaccurate, but because I think it is inappropriate for the marketplace. We have plenty of BS flowing through plenty of forums here, and the MP should not be one. If you want to call him a cnut, go to the basement and have at it. Others will likely pile on with you. If you want to do business with him and buy his stuff however, don't call him a cnut while doing so, or just don't do any business with him if you feel that way.

I suppose I am up to four cents now in this thread. YMMV.
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The demographics here are such that many will get the soup nazi reference. Although I seem to remember him as a street vendor.

Actually, my noticing that Lockjaw is a cnut, comes in large part from his maligning Graham Neal. Graham can be annoying. Sometimes he's like a chipmunk on crack, firing off 10 e-mails where one would do. A second and third e-mail before getting a response to the first. Sometimes I just tag his message to read later.

But I get it, he's passionate and perhaps a bit unrestrained. But in years dealing with him, he's always been a man of his word. And I respect that above all else. And I remember when I was as exuberant as he. If Lockjaw has a conflict with Graham, I'm going to figure it's 'cause Lockjaw s a cnut. Lockjaw seems to always be in a conflict with someone. And I've even sided with him at least once, despite him being a cnut.

So for Lockjaw to malign a solid member, is only inviting others to note his own discrepancies.

His slander of me, only reinforces that my noticing his cnuthood is not without merit.

Because I freely admit that I'm an asshole. But I'm an honest asshole. And Lockjaw clearly is not. Even in this thread, he admits to be a liar, a cheat, and a thief - defrauding paypal through lying about the nature of a prohibited transaction.
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As I stated above, I think you are in the wrong here Mark. Not because I think your opinion of LJ is inaccurate, but because I think it is inappropriate for the marketplace.
Well, I think it would be inappropriate to observe his cnuthood outside of an agreement to his terms and sealing the contract to purchase.

I'd consider a drive-by posting of "but you're a cnut" to be inappropriate, regardless of it's agreed accuracy.

But in this case, I was contracting to buy his advertised item, under the terms he set (and which he crawfished). Not the same thing, IMO.
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Mark, I don't sell to Mr. Graham because I don't want to. It has nothing to do with whether he is honest or not. I spent many hours working with this guy, talking on the phone send sending pix, he bought I sold his a couple exceptional kits, for prices I could have sold to anyone else in a heartbeat. I appreciated his "passion" as well.

Long story short, Graham threatened that I wouldn't be one of his "privileged" sellers after I made a light stab at him on a thread unrelated to marketplace. He threatened not to buy from me as a result. I am holding him to it. He isn't worth my time (he is worth your time because he pays for your time... and yes, he pays like an ATM).

Sooo… I'm a liar, a chat and a thief because I use PP? That is irrational babble.
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You called me a **** in the same breath as stating”I’ll take,” I refused to sell to you because you were a prick, and then you left retaliatory negative feedback for a transaction that never occurred.... your integrity is shit as far as I am concerned. Save your psychobabble for someone else. You know the feedback was vindictive and has zero merit. Any rational person with any level of intelligence would recognize that.

The most disappointing aspect of this BS is that you lack the integrity to recognize that your knee jerk reaction was wrong and fix it. I might be an asshole and/or rub some people wrong on an Internet forum ( ), but st least I have enough the integrity to take responsibility for my actions, and admit when I am wrong.
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Old August 30, 2019, 15:12   #36
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but st least I have enough the integrity to take responsibility for my actions, and admit when I am wrong.
I call bs. You lied in your retaliatory negative feedback on me, all because you were having a hot flash or whatever it is that winds up old biddies.

You don't take responsibility for anything. Not even checking your mailbox.
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st least I have enough the integrity to take responsibility for my actions, and admit when I am wrong.
Hahahhahaha! If only this were true, then I'd not have been so impolite as to note you are cnut.

And a crawfish seller.
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I call bs. You lied in your retaliatory negative feedback on me, all because you were having a hot flash or whatever it is that winds up old biddies.

You don't take responsibility for anything. Not even checking your mailbox.
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Shit...

I'm going to dive in this because like GP, I'm a recognized asshole on this board

First off, everyone Grow the Fook Up

Invictus is correct
let me illustrate why:

couple years ago Vicky staged an Auction here
I was like the 1st one to post a bid, Vicky ****ed out and went near ballistic stating he would NEVER EVER sell to me
I was humored, but like Okay cool
Understand I'd still sell to him but I'm totally Okay if he hates me

Warred with a couple here
Paul and I go round and round, been in epic drama with TDW
I do business with both
in either case when before I posted an I'll take it I PM'd them checking to see where they stood.
Both were Men, it was all about the Jacksons regardless of our disputes in the past.

Victoria has always been a sissy, probably that alkali water she drinks
stunts mental growth me thinks

Mark, you post an I'll take it like you did to Lockbrain I'll tell you to screw off too. Lockjaw isn't my buddy but if you are a dick buyer well then I reserve the right to ignore your response
moral...
don't be a dick if you want to suck the prick

Lets take this further GP
did you ever date much friend ?
So how did you go about it, I mean if you actually did do anything else than pay for pussy ?

Gunplumber slides up next to blonde at bar outside of Bragg

"Hi Honey, I'm Mark. I think your a slutty whore so let's go screw in the back of the box of my buddies pickup"

that's pretty much what you did to Locknut Mark
it was shitty and uncalled for in the marketplace
as nasty as I am I have NEVER done a thing nearly close to that to anyone here
I pretty much did a major eye roll when you did it, waaaay over the top brother. I mean what the hell were you even thinking ?
Then you go all pissy filing negative feedback ?

Look, I had the same right to do that on Victoria
never ever even considered doing that to her
even after that chubby whore had started multiple threads on me mostly over my debates with Paul

Both you two need to grow the fook up, particularly you
this is some of the most inane juvenile crap that's been posted here in decades funky bastard

damn' bad when I have to become the voice of reason on the files
shit I keep this up it's gonna ruin my rep with the sissies
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blah blah blah
cool story, now go make me a sammich.
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Well seems you really wanted to get on that prick but just HAD to leave a jab as a major Dick

Okay, let's change tact
say Jimbo is all over the webs posting dirty shit about you
then one day that poster contacts you wanting work done

me' I'd tell him to go to hell
you saying you will accept his project

I'll support you telling him, no way or ignoring him
I support Victoria telling me exactly the same thing
while she's a fat little bitch, it's her choice
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"Hi Honey, I'm Mark. I think your a slutty whore so let's go screw in the back of the box of my buddies pickup"
Are you suggesting you've tried this approach and it didn't work?

Because it looks more like you're rambling on than speaking from relevant experience.
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Are you suggesting you've tried this approach and it didn't work?

Because it looks more like you're rambling on than speaking from relevant experience.
Well I was once the wingman for a douche that often used that approach at clubs.
I was amazed at how often he achieved goal

Saying that more often than not Mike was backhanded, kicked in the sack or had a drink in the face. It was all good savage fun to him and I often was able to feast on those scraps as the decent guy.

Guess that's kind of what I'm stating here
There's a place for being a jackass and the marketplace really shouldn't devolve to that
Make no mistake, I'm no buddy of Locknut's but I have to stand on the principle of basic MP civility

I really like GP
we regularly spar, disagree with no hurt feelings & we get nasty
I still respect him and would never shit up any market thread of his just being a dick.
This was just wrong in my opinion but that's just perverse me mkay'
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I feel like Im in the twilight zone.
I actually agree with EVERYTHING thats been said...

Im just wondering why LJ brought this up in the contributors only section ?
His usual SOP is to air his gripes about others in Reviews,,,,for everyone to take note of....
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I have truly enjoyed all the dung flinging by the chirrens in the forum, but haven't figgered out WTF a Cnut is yet. That's a new one for me. Guess I haven't been around long enough, and don't know all the fal lingo.
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I feel like Im in the twilight zone.
I actually agree with EVERYTHING thats been said...

Im just wondering why LJ brought this up in the contributors only section ?
His usual SOP is to air his gripes about others in Reviews,,,,for everyone to take note of....
Because my intention was to resolve this issue constructively, within the contributing community. Is this not the most productive way of dealing with this type of situation?

I haven't left retaliatory feedback. If I did, it would be hypocritical. A transaction never took place. I cannot leave feedback back over a personal pissing content, regarding a transaction that never took place. Mark did. Yet, he is questioning my integrity?

My intention is to be a productive member here. I am content that I have contributed quite a bit to many members here, and also learned a great deal as well. I may have conducting myself in a way that ruffled many people's fathers in the past, and if someone thinks I am a "cnut" or any other explanative, I can accept that.... if I earned it, so be it. I am learning from it, and adjusting accordingly. That said, I will firmly state with confidence that I am not a liar, cheat, or thief, as Mark stated in my feedback.

Mark and I have our differences no doubt, but the negative feedback makes zero sense. If Mark is such a stickler for rules and integrity, he wouldn't have posted the negative feedback, or he can man up and request that the feedback was a mistake and request that the feedback be removed... which is common place around here, no harm, no foul, lets move on.

Or, a moderator resolve this by removing the feedback, this thread can be deleted, and we can move on.

Is that unreasonable?
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Correct me if Im wrong,,,but didnt you leave negetive feedback and start a bash thread in reviews for pureveggie.
Over a sale that went through and all were satisfied,,,,but you thought he was 'sketchy', IIRC.

Two wrongs dont make a right,,but this seems kind of like poetic justice,,,or maybe karma,,,
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Correct me if Im wrong,,,but didnt you leave negetive feedback and start a bash thread in reviews for pureveggie.
Over a sale that went through and all were satisfied,,,,but you thought he was 'sketchy', IIRC.

Two wrongs dont make a right,,but this seems kind of like poetic justice,,,or maybe karma,,,
Good memory yovinny!

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Correct me if Im wrong,,,but didnt you leave negetive feedback and start a bash thread in reviews for pureveggie.
Over a sale that went through and all were satisfied,,,,but you thought he was 'sketchy', IIRC.

Two wrongs dont make a right,,but this seems kind of like poetic justice,,,or maybe karma,,,
Not to mention lying in negative feedback to me.

Here's the original thread.
http://www.falfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=437506

All I did was leave accurate nuetral feedback after being abused and doing everything I could to calm her down.
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