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Old February 06, 2020, 00:35   #1
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What If???

We have had a rash of home invasions in metro ATL area that is getting almost no press as cops don't want to talk about it. Group of five men that knock on doors of home all dressed in black with black hats and identify themselves as police with warrant please open the door. If occupants do not open door two provide cover while other three pop the door with crow bars. Luckily we have force rated entry doors but a F.D. type hydrualic porta-power unit could pop them as want paramedics to be able to break in with effort if wife falls and has to call 911 and is unable to unlock door for them.

Watched television show tonight about police narcotics units. About 1/3 of the entry's they made used a ram or other devices to bust down door then three to five cops came through door wearing plain cloths, full masks, sunglasses and body armor marked police with guns at ready and were taking shots at occupants anytime they were scared. I can buy body armor marked police or sheriff on eBay weekly.

Your not up to anything illegal, asleep and suddenly you hear front door cave and three to five men in plain cloths, masks, it's dark and yelling police what will you do? I have these signs placed at doors and in Georgia we have a castle law, stand your ground law and law allowing citizen to shoot a cop in self defense.





Have never been in trouble and have not a single illegal item in house. Just a wife with degenerative bone disease. Have had one local shooting where cops executed warrant at wrong address and occupant was deaf so could not hear police commands, just saw men in black armed with flashlights so he raised his gun and they cut him to ribbons. Later they issued an oops, we made a mistake in paper and all involved officers kept jobs. Have at least three other similar stories locally where cops shot innocent home owner(s) over misinformation which they pulled warrant or complaints from neighbors about domestic issue in progress that reported improper directions or address to 911.

Have told head of SWAT team (member of my Bible study group) if ever gets warrant on my house to do as signs say or call as leave station and will have pot of coffee waiting. My door caves in during middle of night and group of men dressed in black with masks pour in have a suppressed AR 10 in 7.62×51 with binary trigger, 50 round drum magazine loaded with M80A1 mixed with full AP. If sitting in recliner it's in reach with at least two 25 round spare mags, if laying on couch it's next to me and take it to bedroom at night. Please heed my signs as they give fair warning.

If want to execute a warrant, give me time to put on pants and call 911 to verify they are cops and will open door peacefully. Execute a no knock and all bets are off and will let jury figure it out. Jury will be told no violations of law were found, no criminal history ever for wife and I more than the odd traffic violation and photos of signs telling what could happen to anyone who forces their way into home. In middle of night, three to five men crash through door or window and start commanding all occupants to immediately go face down on the floor, what do you do? Hope it's cops or assume the worst of home invasion and act appropriately?
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Old February 06, 2020, 17:15   #2
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We have an active case here in Houston involving dirty cops getting warrants based on fake informants. They knocked a door down in a no-knock raid, got gunfire in their direction, and killed the homeowners. They found a few old roaches and certainly not the dealing volume heroin the warrant was for. Now 2 cops and a neighbor are either currently in jail or have bailed out with grand juries pending. Waiting for the murder charges now.

This is the nightmare though. I, like you, will be guns blazing at unannounced folks entering my house in the dead of night. Cops will kill me, and some may die as senselessly as I will, but in the end it's in God's hands. Hopefully my autopsy will show the bullet holes all came from cops, and that I had terminal something or other that would have been painful to experience. Wife gets paid, I'm livin' it up on High, and more dirty cops get dispatched. Win.Win.Win.
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Seriously, I hope you don't stay up at night wondering about this sh!t. If so; stop it, you could use the sleep.

On the other hand, what if you are heading to McDonald's to score a Happy Meal. Not because you want a Happy Meal, but because it reminds you of a simpler time when the Police were the good guys.

You stop at a stop light when out of nowhere a really small car pulls up next to you and a bunch of folks pile out while wearing clown makeup and super big shoes. Then they honk their bulb horns at you while making balloon animals! While you're watching all this go down, you catch out the corner of your eye a really big clown, carrying a bucket of water, chasing a little clown around in circles. Just then the little clown, with that big bastard hot on his heels, heads straight for you!!!! Theres no time, theres just no time.

The little clown reaches you just as the big clown lets fly with the contents of his water bucket. Wholly crap!!!! Thank God its just confetti.

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Put fake doors on your house.

Get a prehung door and nail it to the exterior wall. They can pound a long time and not get in!

use your garage door as your normal in/out. create a 2nd emergency exit hidden behind one of those big rubbermaid tool storage cabinets.
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Seriously, I hope you don't stay up at night wondering about this sh!t. If so; stop it, you could use the sleep.

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new report from the Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS) about violent crimes against people with disabilities has been published, and there are some disturbing findings. It presents estimates of nonfatal violent crime (rape or sexual assault, robbery, aggravated assault, and simple assault) against persons age 12 or older with disabilities. Disabilities are classified by types: hearing, vision, cognitive, ambulatory, self-care, and independent living.

Crime Against Persons with All DisabilitiesThe rate of serious violent crime for persons with disabilities (12.7 per 1,000) was more than three times the rate for persons without disabilities (3.9 per 1,000) in 2010 to 2014.
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Crimes against the elderly are on the rise and statistics revealed today in a Tennessee study could make your jaw drop. The Tennessee Bureau of Investigation released results from the first-ever study of crimes against people 65 years or older.

The intention of this three year study is to give perspective on the ongoing issue of elderly victims of crime. It also meets the requirement set forth by the Tennessee Adult Protection Act under Tennessee law to report adult abuse, neglect, or exploitation by individuals suspecting adult abuse.

The crimes listed in the study, such as robberies, burglaries, assault, and fraud, were reported by Tennessee law enforcement agencies. The report showed a 7 percent increase in the number of elderly victims of crimes each year from 2009 through 2011. Burglary is the most often reported offense, followed by vandalism and theft. One in every ten burglary victims were 65 years or older.
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The rate of so-called “violent victimization” for those with disabilities is 32.3 per 1,000, compared to 12.7 per 1,000 for those without. For the most serious violent crimes, the disparity is even starker: 12.7 per 1,000 versus 4 per 1,000.
We were told by one of wifes doctors people in wheelchairs were about three times as likley to be victims of a violent crime especialy home invasions thus I started keeping up with stats and listen to local news. Wife is soon to be 63 and either uses a cane around the house or a wheelchair for past year when we leave. She began using a wheelchair about five years ago after suffering falls as a result of her degenerative bone disease. Have been told by cops burglars look for disabled and when notice often mark them for a later crime, especially forced entry of homes. This statistically puts our home at higher risk. Now...

Happened Today:
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A gunfight broke out at a home and a suspect was killed when men posing as sheriff’s deputies attempted a home invasion and got more than they bargained for from the family inside.

The frightening situation occurred in Tulare County, California, around 10 p.m. on Tuesday night when a family was sitting inside their home and heard a loud banging on their front door with several men yelling “sheriff’s office” in an attempt to get the occupants to let them in, according to*ABC News’ Fresno station KFSN.

But when the family didn’t let the men at the door in, the suspects decided to force their way into the home.

"They can hear them yelling 'Sheriff's Office, Sheriff's Office,' says Tulare County Sheriff's Lt. Joe Torres. "The victims thought it was odd that it was late hours, so the suspects then forced their way into the living room area, they busted the front door."

It was at this point the occupants inside the home knew the suspects were not law enforcement since they weren’t wearing uniforms or badges and a gunfight broke out between the homeowner and the home invaders.

One of the suspects was struck in the upper body by the homeowner while his wife, child, and another man ran for safety. The suspect who was shot died at the scene while the other suspects made a run for it after their attempted home invasion.
That is how it will play out at my house with just a tad of luck. As mentioned we have a rash of unsolved similar home invasions in metro Atlanta area with same M.O. dating back over a year with preps still uncaught.

This incident was in December in North Metro ATL area:
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An alarming wake up call occurred for four people near the Mills Creek Court neighborhood in Marietta after four people in a home say men posing as police kicked in their door, tied them up and robbed them in a home invasion.

The incident occurred around 3 a.m. Thursday morning.

Police say the men were dressed in dark clothing and had "police" written on their clothing. They had both long guns and hand guns. They were in the home for only a brief period of time. The people in the home were tied up with duct tape.

Fortunately no one was hurt, but the home invaders got away with cash and cellphones.
Another recent Metro ATL home invasion:
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They posed as Georgia Power workers, but instead the three men forced their way into a Buckhead apartment Wednesday morning and tied up two people, according to Atlanta police.

Investigators were called to an apartment complex in the 700 block of Morosgo Drive, where a resident and a house guest heard knocking on the door around 8 a.m., Officer Kim Jones said.

“They looked through the peep hole and noticed a male wearing a hard hat and a Georgia Power shirt,” police said in an emailed statement. “They opened the door and three suspects, one who had a handgun, forced their way inside.”

The three men tied up the victims’ hands with zip ties and taped their mouths while asking where someone was, according to police.

The three intruders then put the victims’ cellphones and laptop in the kitchen sink and turned on the water before leaving with a Rolex, an Apple watch, $5,000 cash, and a $2,000 money order, according to police.*

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As many as five men dressed as police officers broke into a south Cobb County home, duct-taped the residents and robbed them, police said.*Officers were called to the 1400 block of Mill Creek Court just before 3:15 a.m. Thursday, Cobb police Sgt. Dana Pierce said.

When they arrived, the victims*— all in their 20s and 30s*— told police four or five people kicked in a door at their home, tied up the residents and took an undisclosed amount of cash, jewelry and cellphones. The family had just moved into the home about two weeks ago, Channel 2 Action News reported.

“Once they got into the house, they said,*‘Get down! We are the police,’” one of the victims told Channel 2, asking not to be identified. The men first encountered the woman’s brother-in-law, she told Channel 2.*“He was the first one to have duct tape all over him and a gun to his head, telling him not to move, not to look back,” she said.
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Police said they are searching for the person who shot and killed 36-year-old Brandon McCreary Sunday night at an apartment complex along Waldrop Road near Flat Shoals Parkway. Police said McCreary was visiting an apartment at the time the home invasion took place.

Neighbors told police they saw two men forcing their way into an apartment at the Waldrop Condos and then heard gunshots a few minutes later.

Investigators said the gunmen also threatened a young woman at the same complex, but let her go. SWAT was called because the neighbor who notified police did not see a gunman leave the home, leaving the possibility that the shooter was still inside.
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SOUTH FULTON, Ga. (FOX 5 Atlanta)*-*It started with the sound of breaking glass during a reported home invasion and ended with deadly shots being fired, police in South Fulton said.

It happened around 2:30 a.m. Friday on Valley Brook Lane. South Fulton Police made it sound like a case of self-dense early Friday morning, but FOX 5 News has since seen unusual activity linked to the investigation.

Officers were seen towing the homeowner's cars away, a Porsche and two BMWs, and seizing other property as well. That property included big-screen TVs, furniture such as an ornate end table and a very large coffee table.

Police would only say the investigation is on-going when asked why officers were seizing those items. Investigators said the homeowner confronted a man who he claimed broke the glass downstairs and gained entry to the home. Police said the resident opened fire and killed the intruder. The name of the intruder has not been released.

It was not clear if the intruder also fired a round. Police said they are not searching for anyone else related to the case. The name of the homeowner, who police said suffered minor injuries during the scuffle, has not been released.
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NEWNAN, Ga. (FOX 5 Atlanta)*-*Narcotics officers raid a Newnan apartment on the hunt for a drug suspect. They had a warrant to go in but a young mother who tries to shield her baby tells deputies they broke down the wrong door.

Law enforcement released the footage of a raid. Narcotics officers from the Coweta Sheriff's Office entered the home of Shantay Wilkins. Wilkins, who was in her underwear, found herself starring at multiple guns coming through the door. She kept telling the officers they were at the wrong address.

Sheriff's deputies had a search warrant for an apartment across the hall from where Wilkins resides. They had previously done a buy and they say their target was selling marijuana out of the building breezeway.

In less than five minutes, a supervisor realized the mistake. Wilkins said the deputies acknowledged it and apologized. But the whole thing left her baby boy scared.
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Acting on a cellphone ping, Georgia cops entered a home without a warrant and held a man at gunpoint while searching for missing children they believed could be harbored inside.

But the only child inside was Scott Kuhn's 4-year-old grandson whom he was babysitting.

Brookhaven Deputy Police Chief Brandon Gurley told*WSB-TV*his officers acted appropriately but Kuhn is not happy at having the cops enter his home without permission and with guns drawn.

He said the front door of the home was left unlocked so they are required by departmental policy

"We'll make sure that the occupants are ok," he said.

And what better way of ensuring their safety than by pointing a gun at them?

Gurley said his officers were acting on a tip from another law enforcement agency that pinged a cell phone to the house they visited.

Pinging is a way cell network providers use GPS to determine a person's whereabouts. Police are required to obtain a warrant before obtaining this information, the Supreme Court ruled*last year.

But it evidently is not accurate if it sent police to the wrong house where they had to hold an innocent man at gunpoint.

And there is still the issue of the missing kids and why haven't police released their names and photos to ask the public for help in finding them rather than enter private homes with no warrant and with guns drawn?
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DALTON, GA. (AP) — Dalton police rammed down the front door of the wrong house while they were serving a warrant and officials say the department is reviewing the incident.

Police said in a statement that late Tuesday night officers were serving search and arrest warrants after investigators bought marijuana from a man during an undercover investigation. Police say detectives drove by the man’s house, saw his truck in the driveway but waited until later to arrest him.

When police returned they mistakenly approached a nearby house that looks similar to the one the suspect was in and used a ram to break open the door after their knocks went unanswered.

Police say officers apologized to the home’s residents after breaking the door open and repaired damage.
This raid had member of my former church security team involved.
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Here’s a horrible story*out of Atlanta, where a toddler is in critical condition after raiding drug cops tossed a flash grenade into his playpen.

Habersham County Sheriff Joey Terrell now is talking about the high-risk warrant service that resulted in burns to a 2-year-old child early Wednesday.

The child was burned when narcotics agents, assisted by members of the Habersham Special Response Team, used a distraction device as they entered a home at 182 Lakeview Heights Circle outside Cornelia . . .

“According to the confidential informant, there were no children,” Terrell said. “When they made the buy, they didn’t see any children or any evidence of children there, so we proceeded with our standard operation.”

Because of recent history with the individual involved in the alleged drug sales and knowledge of weapons in the residence, the special agent seeking the search warrant requested a “no-knock” warrant, Terrell said.

Mountain Judicial Circuit Narcotics Criminal Investigation and Suppression Team agents obtained a search warrant for the residence, with the no knock entry provision approved by Habersham County Chief Magistrate Judge Jim Butterworth.

Sheriff Terrell says the suspects are dangerous drug dealers who are known to be armed. Hence, the SWAT team, the no-knock raid and the flash grenade. I’ve yet to see any indication that drugs were found, which usually (but not always) means that the police didn’t find any. Frequently in cases where a raid goes wrong, police tend to be quick to point out what they found to justify their actions.
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Cops or Robbers? How Georgia's Defense of Habitation Statute Applies to No-Knock Raids by Police - The Reading Room - Georgia State University

Late in the fall of 2006, the city of Atlanta exploded in outrage when Kathryn Johnston, a ninety-two-year old woman, died in a shoot-out with a police narcotics team.' The police used a "no- knock" search warrant to*...
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A man protecting his daughter from what he thought was a home invasion shot two police officers who mistakenly entered his apartment in District Heights, Maryland, Prince George's County's police chief says.

The officers and their nine-member special operations team went to the complex in the 2700 block of Lorring Drive to serve a warrant about 10:30 p.m. Wednesday.

A confidential informant told police a drug dealer lived there, but the resident was actually a father who didn't know officers were trying to get in his home
Not local and cops got away clean with killing innocent people due to misinformation:
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L E B A N O N, Tenn. -- A 61-year-old man was shot to death by police while his wife was handcuffed in another room during a drug raid on the wrong house.

Police admitted their mistake, saying faulty information from a drug informant contributed to the death of John Adams Wednesday night. They intended to raid the home next door.

The two officers, 25-year-old Kyle Shedran and 24-year-old Greg Day, were placed on administrative leave with pay. “They need to get rid of those men, boys with toys,” said Adams’ 70-year-old widow, Loraine.

John Adams was watching television when his wife heard pounding on the door. Police claim they identified themselves and wore police jackets. Loraine Adams said she had no indication the men were police. “I thought it was a home invasion. I said ‘Baby, get your gun!,” she said, sitting amid friends and relatives gathered at her home to cook and prepare for Sunday’s funeral.

Police say her husband fired first with a sawed-off shotgun and they responded. He was shot at least three times and died later at Vanderbilt University Medical Center in Nashville.

Loraine Adams said she was handcuffed and thrown to her knees in another room when the shooting began. “I said, ‘Y’all have got the wrong person, you’ve got the wrong place. What are you looking for?“‘

“We did the best surveillance we could do, and a mistake was made,” Lebanon Police Chief Billy Weeks said. “It’s a very severe mistake, a costly mistake. It makes us look at our own policies and procedures to make sure this never occurs again.” He said, however, the two policemen were not at fault.
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Police Serve Warrant to Wrong Address, Kill Man Who Lives There. Authorities say they were trying to serve an arrest warrant for a man wanted for assault.

Ismael Lopez awoke to a commotion outside his front door on July 23rd, shortly before midnight. Moments later, he was dead.

A police officer shot Lopez after he allegedly refused to put down the gun he was holding when he answered the door. Police were looking to serve an arrest warrant for an assault that had occurred earlier that day. Only after Lopez had died did they realize their mistake:*they had gone to the wrong house.
I can post such events not in dozens or hundreds but over 1,000 events where officers served warrants on wrong address and people were shot. Has happened five times in my sleepy town of Mayberry USA that I can remember of. Till 2008 in my neighborhood did not have a single neighbor move since I moved in 27 years ago. Due to drop in value of property post 2008 have had three houses in general area turned into rentals by heirs when last parent died. One house that is just last digit of a three number address is 9 when mine is 6 and have new residents every six months. Whose to say a warrant for that address may get my 6 as final digit instead of their 9 in a typo? Whose to say one of the groups posing as cops won't notice all the loading and unloading I do of wifes wheelchair?
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We were told by one of wifes doctors people in wheelchairs were about three times as likley to be victims of a violent crime especialy home invasions thus I started keeping up with stats and listen to local news. Wife is soon to be 63 and either uses a cane around the house or a wheelchair for past year when we leave. She began using a wheelchair about five years ago after suffering falls as a result of her degenerative bone disease. Have been told by cops burglars look for disabled and when notice often mark them for a later crime, especially forced entry of homes. This statistically puts our home at higher risk. Now...

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That is how it will play out at my house with just a tad of luck. As mentioned we have a rash of unsolved similar home invasions in metro Atlanta area with same M.O. dating back over a year with preps still uncaught.

This incident was in December in North Metro ATL area:


Another recent Metro ATL home invasion:





North Metro ATL:




Now mix in the cops and wrong address:


These cops didn't even have a warrant:




This raid had member of my former church security team involved.




https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...aqeWb2AF-wxnlN

Not local but cops got what they deserved:


Not local and cops got away clean with killing innocent people due to misinformation:




I can post such events not in dozens or hundreds but over 1,000 events where officers served warrants on wrong address and people were shot. Has happened five times in my sleepy town of Mayberry USA that I can remember of. Till 2008 in my neighborhood did not have a single neighbor move since I moved in 27 years ago. Due to drop in value of property post 2008 have had three houses in general area turned into rentals by heirs when last parent died. One house that is just last digit of a three number address is 9 when mine is 6 and have new residents every six months. Whose to say a warrant for that address may get my 6 as final digit instead of their 9 in a typo? Whose to say one of the groups posing as cops won't notice all the loading and unloading I do of wifes wheelchair?
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I am trying to prove point that sometimes a bit of paranoia is something to consider, especially for folks who have disabled family members and unfortunately after living 40 years in same small but now larger towns and buying large number of firearms, art, expensive antiques, collecting coins, bullion, ivory and more have likely been noticed or talked about to someone that may be willing to take a risk.

I didn't begin to worry about cops executing no-knocks on wrong address where homeowners were killed till the second cop I knew was personally involved in such an event and the stress they went through during the internal investigations, criminal trials and civil suits. Then we began having what seemed like weekly reports on ATL news of men dressed as cops or utility workers conning or forcing their way into homes in "home invasion" type events where people were robbed, hurt and killed.

The night I posted this saw on news of just such an event that day and since I posted it have seen three more on national news outlets. Home invasions are one of the fastest growing crimes in our area and nationally with at least half posing as police. Then we have typos, misread addresses on warrants and mailboxes where armed cops all on edge assuming they are coming in on a felon wanted for trafficking with violent rap sheet hitting the wrong address.

They renumbered my road a few years ago and my former address was given to a home a man owns to house his son who is a felon when he is out of prison. Will be no lights for 6 to 18 months then suddenly he is back for two to six months and off he goes again. They renumbering of our road has caused so much confusion twice my wired phone pair has been given to that house following maintenance in a remote terminal. One time I had two FBI officers appear at my door to question the resident of that house.

If Ma Bell and the FBI can mix my address up with that of a known felon who lives nine houses down the street in the city limits with me in the county over 1/2 mile away what are the odds of a warrant for him becoming my issue? How about the rental house across the street and one lot farther out of town?

To not consider the reality of possible scenarios is to me irresponsible so have marked my home in a manner my attorney says I will have much more legal leeway if an incident occurs and in the haze of my front door collapsing while sleeping on my BiPAP machine and immediately go to guns rather than hope it's cops at wrong house that are not going to see guns everywhere and get trigger happy. Friend of mine had cops at his door recently due to a domestic dispute next door and said cops had a mix of guns and tazers in hand when he opened the door and was ordered outside in his boxer shorts.

I am not opening my door till call 911 and verify real cops with warrant for my house. Anyone comes through the door without giving me that option will be treated as hostile and shot, period. Will then let my carry insurance lawyers sort it out in court with a jury having photos of my clearly posted signs asking for time to put on my pants and call 911. If that is done will open up and brew a pot of coffee for the boys as some may be personal aquantinces. Have made it 56 years without shooting anyone and hope to keep it that way.
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What about my fake door idea?

what about having a reinfroced door and frame and some bigass metal bars to keep it shut?

That will slow things down at least and allow time to call the Sheriff at 911 and confirm who is there and then let you take appropriate measures
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You didn't answer my question. The correct answer to my little Clown scenario is kill them all, and let God sort them out. Clowns ain't funny. They're scary.

That said, Y'all gotta move to a better neighborhood.
I leave the front door open when I go to bed. I also leave donuts and coffee by the front door to keep the cops busy just in case.

With all them coffee and donuts, I can't swing a dead cat around here without hittin' a cop most nights.
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I live in one of the most desirable areas there are and is why the 1996 Olympic Committee chose to hold the 1996 Olympic Rowing Events in my back yard. I was behind the controlled access guard line where roads were closed only to Olympic officials, competitors and residents. They put all the bleachers on floating docks across the water from us and spectators came accessed using a different road.

Its just three houses in a half mile area that have changed the dynamics of our area. When heirs decided to rent them until property values came back it changed. Now after five to ten years of being rentals the heirs have realized are un-sellable unless do a total renovation as tenants don't care for homes usually. Especially when some choose renters poorly.

The house that has my old address is actually 7/10 of a mile away and owner bought it for two reasons, first as future commercial value as as annexed into the city when the new divided four lane was built about a mile from my house. Second he puts his son there when out of prison but hopefully the three time looser law will eventually beat his fathers lawyers and put him away till dies of old age.

Otherwise average time of house anywhere within a mile of the Olympic Rowing venue sells almost immediately when hits the market and does not happen often. Any neighborhood is going to have a few wild cards even gated communities with million dollar plus homes. Local such community a person who was transferred to Europe for two years by his employer rented his home. Power company reported to narcotics unit how much power it was using and a 1.5 million dollar house that was renting for $3,500 per month was being used as a huge indoor marijuana grow facility. Persons tending the crops had unregistered NFA items when it was raided and police got the address right.

Either a fake warrant by home invaders or cops serving wrong address happens in the worst and best communities. If you can show me any residential area with zero crime I would be surprised. BTW, send the clowns, will brew a pot of coffee to see if they are any more fun jacked up on caffeine. Also not building a fake door as its a stupid idea as county and city has photos of every house in tax records. That would be noticed the next time tax assessors showed up and if didn't pull a permit for a "fake door" would likely get fined for not pulling a remodel permit. Our county is big on their permits and re-assessing the value of homes, especially for lake homes.

Its supposed to snow tomorrow should I ignore the weather report and leave the house in short sleeves on a motorcycle or should I wear a coat and drive a four wheel drive truck? Same principal, take the information you see and hear then make a "what if" plan in case it happens to you. like having a spare tire even with new set on your vehicle or going to the doctor for a check-up. May not be sick but if have an issue rather it be treated before I notice symptoms rather than after. I see a trend and its added to my emergency planning.
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Really behind at work and worked past dark four days this week. Decided to check this thread before left work and when made last post. Pulled out of a business with my name in big bold letters of sign, driving a truck registered in my name which matches the name on the business to be swarmed by three cop cars before hit end of the block. Rolled down window and held both hands out window as fish for CCW and drivers license as know cops are much happier if stay in vehicle and can easily see both hands.

Cop comes up to window looks at drivers license and I ask why he pulled me. He said there had been a rash of burglaries of the businesses on this street and they were watching for burglars. At this point three cops had not connected name on registration of my truck, name on drivers license with name on my 5,000 square foot building which has had my name on it for 35 years. I said well I appreciate y'all looking after my business but we are still in range of my cameras which record everything that happens for 1/2 the block including the other businesses they seemed concerned about. If have an issue just stop by and will let them review last thirty days of anything within view of the building on DVR including the current stop in progress which seemed to rattle them bad and they became very polite.

I had been parked in front of the building all day, pulled out using blinker and when they ran my plates still didn't connect name on building matched owners name of truck and on license till I pointed at my sign and told them we were all on camera. They almost ran back to their vehicles as they apologized. I specifically asked for the legal reason they stopped me. Their official reason was looking for burglars, no lights were out on vehicle, wasn't speeding, didn't run a stop sign just turned out of my business and made it about 200 yards before three vehicles swarmed me with one in front, two behind and cop in front never exited his vehicle. I thought a person had to do something wrong to be pulled over.

I am now wondering if our city police officers have the I.Q. of a chimpanzee which worries me even more. Mr Cr@₩&€r pulls out of Cr@₩&€r Signs "Quality Since 1952" in a truck registered to Mr Cr@₩&€r with name of Cr@₩&€r on drivers license and till I told them I was a business owner on street they were protecting businesses from potential burglars and were on "Candid Camera" they never made the connection. Said they had been sitting in their hides all evening watching due to burglaries but apparently had not noticed my truck parked under one of my big security lights the entire time they were watching the businesses on the street which are only three.

Told them they were welcome to watch my business any time as its full of guns and has an indoor shooting range if ever want to burn a few rounds. Also hilarious is handed them my Concealed Carry Permit first and if even half look can see the AR 15 in the lock behind my seat but never asked me if had a gun. It wasn't till I asked for my carry permit and drivers license told them was armed to which seemed to surprise them again. Pulled over a hillbilly wearing body armor, truck doors with NIJ 3a armor panels, SIG double stack 40 on his side, AR 15 in lock and never realized or asked if guns in vehicle. Honestly had it been an IDPA or IPSC drill could have burned the two at my door before they could blink once I had them going defensive over pulling over the business owner leaving one of the businesses they were supposed to be watching, admitting they had no valid reason for the stop, learning I had it all on DVD and then just wait for cop in front to get out or drill him through the glass.

I hope if SWAT Team ever does show up they have more game than those three kids that pulled me over leaving work because it needs to at least be some challenge. Of course it will be county and unless they have wrong address and don't realize it's the Cr@₩&€r home as a member of county SWAT team taught me how to use the BORS System on top of Barrett 50 BMG on their range using their ammo. My guess is they will knock if not serving wrong address as know I am as well equipped and super sensitive about my castle rights under Georgia law. Point of this thread was to make people think of a possibility that could bite them and do they have a plan for such circumstance. After tonight I realize how dumb cops can be and makes me glad I am prepared for even them to make a mistake that could affect my household.
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I Also not building a fake door as its a stupid idea as county and city has photos of every house in tax records. That would be noticed the next time tax assessors showed up and if didn't pull a permit for a "fake door" would likely get fined for not pulling a remodel permit. Our county is big on their permits and re-assessing the value of homes, especially for lake homes.
If they are so g'dam stupid as to go to the wrong address, do you think they are clever enough to know your front door is a fake when they run up at 4:00am?



Okay how about you build a 2nd interior door, one that slides like a barn door, heavy steel on rollers? Easy to move side to side but again anyone trying to ram their way in at 3am won't think to move a door side to side, they'll just keep trying to bash the normal door which won't go very far.
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Now I know where you live Brother hueyville! I'm coming over as soon as I get my Harley. I have several friends in the gigantic Atlanta region, so I'm looking forward to meeting you and visiting them. My Harley will be a mild-mannered one so I won't be frightening all your uppity neighbors. I generally keep a low profile.

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As usual leave it to the Gman to post something that is both entertaining and actually intuitive enough to have me nailed right on the head based on his interpretation of my personality. Actually need to take fresh pictures as the sign that informs officers to please give occupants time to put on pants and call 911 all now have been redone with the Georgia codes on castle law and have become a "wall of text". Some of what's been added.

[QUOTEOfficial Code of Georgia 16-3-23.1 is known as the “use of force in defense of habitation, property, self, or others—no duty to retreat.” This is what it says. A person who uses threats or force in accordance with code section 16-3-21, which is the use of force in defense of self or others, 16-3-23, which is the use of force in defense of habitation, or 16-3-24, which is the use of force in defense of property other than a habitation, has no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground and use force as provided in those code sections, including deadly force.][/QUOTE]

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The*knock-and-announce or*knock-notice rule*requires officers to announce their presence before entering a person’s home. Generally, officers must knock on the door, announce their presence, and give the property owner a chance to open the door before entering. (Wilson v. Arkansas, 514 U.S. 927 (1995).)
Not on signs but part of much research I have done.

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COPS OR ROBBERS? HOW GEORGIA'S DEFENSE OF HABITATION STATUTE APPLIES TO NO-KNOCK RAIDS BY POLICE

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Late in the fall of 2006, the city of Atlanta exploded in outrage when Kathryn Johnston, a ninety-two-year old woman, died in a shoot-out with a police narcotics team. The police used a "no-knock" search warrant to break into Johnston's home unannounced. Unfortunately for everyone involved, Ms Johnston kept an old revolver for self defense, not a bad strategy in a neighborhood with a thriving drug trade and where another elderly woman was recently raped. Probably thinking she was being robbed, Johnston managed to fire once before the police overwhelmed her with a "volley of thirty-nine" shots, five or six of which proved fatal. The raid and its aftermath appalled the nation, especially when a federal investigation exposed the lies and corruption leading to the incident. But buried beneath all the blatant misconduct lies an interesting legal question. Assuming that the no-knock warrant was valid, did Ms Johnston have a right to shoot at the police officers who broke through her door looking for drugs?

Radley Balko, a policy analyst for the Cato Institute, has profiled more than 130 cases of flawed (but not necessarily illegal) police raids that have resulted in serious humiliation, injury, or death to innocent bystanders, non-violent offenders, and officers. Moreover, according to criminologist Peter Kraska, the number of no-knock raids across the country jumped from 3,000 in 1981 to more than 50,000 in 2006. With the deterioration of the "knock-and-announce" requirement, as described below, such no-knock raids are bound to increase. At the same time, many states, including Georgia, have liberalized their self-defense statutes, providing private citizens with broad leeway in using deadly force to repel an attack, especially upon their homes. In 2001, Georgia amended its defense of habitation statute to allow for broader immunity for someone who uses deadly force against a perceived intruder. According to Balko, this trend toward private self-defense is "dangerously at odds with the concept of no-knock search warrants.' As Justice Brennan acknowledged in Kerv. California, police "might be mistaken for prowlers and be shot down by a fearful householder." Though botched police raids, such as Johnston's, are certainly a problem, most officers are law-abiding professionals who would do their best to avoid hurting harmless civilians.
Reading the entire article of 33 pages with over 200 footnotes citing Federal Laws, Georgia Laws plus similar cases; a myriad of legal scholars input by the actual language used in all applicable Georgia laws and legal rulings from State to Fedeal and even the Supreme Court of the United States if a Georgia citizen is not given the time to dress and open the door themselves then law enforcement is highly likely to be held liable as they were in the case of Kathryn Johnston and many others including at least three in recent years locally to me. Realive I have no desire to kill anyone, especially a group of police which would likely include someone I know due to how long I have lived in the community and all the work I have done with different organizations with close ties to law enforcement.

So yes, at each entry to my home is a wall of text indicating my rights from both Federal and State laws with several of the more applicable statutes indicated and quoted along with the response to expect if do not follow the accepted rules of executing a warrant. If the cops can't follow the rules as spelled out in the written law and case law interpretation of them they have no reason to say they didn't expect to stir up a hornets nest of resistance. If they just give me time to put on my pants and verify their real cops not impersonating law enforcement in an attempted home invasion all will be easy for everyone.

If they stop to read the signs before knock my motion based video alerts will already have me up and investigating once they get on patio or porch as audible buzzers with blinking lights will have alerted me to look at the CCTV camera monitor if they somehow missed the exterior seismic and motion sensors. Hopefully I will know they are cops before they realize I know they are even on the property and can be prepared not to shoot them. My concern is the television footage have seen of police serving no-knocks wearing plain cloths and hoods. That would scare me and probably have to assume home invasion if they didn't knock.


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I promise I will not expose your secret that you are actually a committee and not just one man, although you are in charge of that committee. It' s okay. I won't tell. Also, don't worry about taking pictures with me as I do not do any social media trash like facepage and myplace and all that foolishness, so pics of you and me are secure. Besides, I don't know how to post them anyway.
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Another delightful response. Been super busy at work thus little time to monitor the discussion group of late. Just don't make the mistake of riding your Harley down here in July or August, it's miserable till get some altitude which can be above 4,000 feet in about forty minutes. We have three baggers ready to roll anytime as long as the old lady is feeling well and my back is not giving me issues. I forgot I had a Facebook page for over three years till ran into an old friend who had lost my phone number and was upset that over two years of sending me messages on Facebook went unanswered. It took me a couple hours to figure out my user I.D. and password to even find my page a couple days later. FAL Files is about as social networking as I get.

We can even ride the bikes to one of our local shooting ranges and get the ol lady to mule a pile of guns and ammo in a truck so we can burn some caps. The north Georgia mountains are great riding, even better than the Rockies as our pavement is all butter smooth so even if someone rides a hard tail they don't take a brutal beating. With mountain tops from 5,000 feet to 6,000 feet and the gaps the roads go over 3,000 to 4,000 feet the temps can be nice even in summer but get below 2,000 feet and it gets brutal fast.

For those of you so worried about my doors they are all force rated entry and ballistic rated to a point of being ludicrous. All windows have ballistic liners and ballistic rated films on the glass. Cops are probably going to need to get the Fire Department to Crack them open if I don't which I will promptly open when shown a warrant. I will even let most in without a warrant as have nothing to hide. As stated more than once we are having a growing rash of criminals posing as cops to gain entry. Till I see a badge and call dispatch to see if cops are supposed to be at my house am not opening the door.

Before I met my wife a cop pulled her on her Harley for no reason, let her go then showed up at her house that night in his patrol car off duty and when she would not let him in the door he began trying to kick it down. She put three rounds through the door then turned her dogs on him. He was promptly arrested and taken to jail in his uniform. She is much more likely to burn someone trying to come through the door than me.
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Brother hueyville: I will bring or buy my own ammo. Plus, being from the Noo'Awlins area, I am used to suffocating DEADLY heat.

You're right about the Georgian roads. I tell everyone they are the best in the world as they use crushed granite to make the concrete. The next time any of you FALaholics haul-ass through Georgia, note the TRILLIONS of sparkles in the road from the quartz in the crushed granite. Plus, the roads are paved on solid stone base.

If you have one of those super-charged autos or a 200 hp motorcycle, GA is the place to test it out. Just watch out for the Georgia Patrol.

Pro-Tip: If you need help, DO NOT "fire a shot just to flag 'em down". You could wind up in HUGE trouble, just like Andy did. Just ask his sister Vicki.

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While I am somewhat concerned about a no-knock executed on wrong address we also now have what law enforcement calls a "knock & announce with dynamic entry" that means they knock and holler "police" about a second before the door caves in and claim it's not a no-knock. My bigger concern is people pretending to be cops to gain access and why I want time to call 911 and ask if a warrant is being served on my home. Check these links:

https://youtu.be/qpsBa1viI8c

https://youtu.be/ZaHrobbh15o

https://youtu.be/mgp0tq6vk-w

https://youtu.be/Dewv4RcdQpE

https://youtu.be/6S3ezTf3bEc

https://youtu.be/rhOd_lWyI_I

https://youtu.be/AR0etkZTPbE

https://youtu.be/C8a-m9rL6sc

https://youtu.be/to_Wr2oRMSI

There are over 100 of these on uTube if dig around. Mentioned earlier a cop that worked on a church security team I was helping was part of a no-knock where they pitched a flash bang in a babies crib with baby inside. Same SWAT team also did a no-knock on wrong address. Same church one of the church security guards, not authorized to work security anywhere else, was busted for making traffic stops whenever someone pissed him off in traffic. He drove a retired police cruiser and used pieces of uniforms and equipment he got from his two brothers that were actual cops. If not in sight of people who can witness and call 911 or absolutely sure it's a real cop am not pulling over.

I did have blue lights popped on me once and before came to full stop (slowed and got in right lane) called local 911 which said they had no active traffic stop with my tag or truck description. They dispatched and when I pulled over was a local on scene. Turned out to be an out of jurisdiction cop in unmarked car who was on desk duty while under an internal affairs investigation for unnecessary violence during traffic stops. When cops pulled me week before last because of burglaries on street my business happened to be on I stopped as doubted it was three fake cops in middle of town. Counting number of cases of home invasions, traffic stops, even arrests followed by kidnapping and rape by fake cops I think everyone should be paranoid. If start clicking on links above each will link to similar cases and if keep digging will spend a full day watching uTube of fake cops making traffic stops.

Read the news and seems like 1/3 of home invasions began with perps claiming to be cops. My home is well posted that I will comply if cops follow the "rules of the land", state and federal law exercising a warrant. Once I put on my CPAP mask and turn on machine it adds time to get out of mask, pull on pants and comply with a knock & announce and very little time to determine if a no knock is cops or robbers. This new habit of SWAT wearing plain cloths and black hoods will likely get them shot at the Ponderosa. It will all be on video and rather be tried by twelve than abused along with wife before carried by six to a grave. And yes, I have driven in every state except Hawaii and Georgia has the best roads and smooth as glass pavement in the country. It started with Jimmy Carter as governor passing the Rural Paving Act that when he became President got a huge chunk of federal grants and has kept going since with a special tax we call SPLOST which uses a penny of sales tax from every dollar spent on roads and emergency equipment.
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Cop lives on 13th floor, leaves work and gets off elevator on 14th floor and kills occupant of apartment saying thought it was hers. How in the hell does somebody not even recognize wrong floor, door number, wrong furniture then burn down occupant in his own home?

https://youtu.be/G1GTt65s-HA

Department guilty of long pattern of excessive violence following two cops found guilty of murder:

https://youtu.be/6j4TopkAQVE

Videos speak for themselves:

https://youtu.be/XW99UzVeVHM

https://youtu.be/84tQTq7mCP8

https://youtu.be/M8-g4AMBRVs

https://youtu.be/1B0mHT67Jyw

https://youtu.be/mevVt5sHDNA

https://youtu.be/QfgoWnFnP44

https://youtu.be/jR2nG6Nl-qc

Could just have easily dropped pastors in search bar rather than cops for murder with similar results:

https://youtu.be/yf21YQBaSI4

https://youtu.be/gdU7y8P6Ews

https://youtu.be/5kD0-RNC-sk

https://youtu.be/njg_mk92UBw

https://youtu.be/Vm_n4NtXF9k

Per conversation in other thread a cop is a civilian. Why then in many states is it automatic death sentence for killing a cop but when cop kills innocent person average 15 to 20 year sentence? Murder should be murder and special prosecution laws for killing a subset of society seems prejudiced. Georgia has laws that allow people to protect themselves from police if feel lives are in danger. Our stand our ground, fear for life and castle laws do not afford special protections for people who carry a shiny piece of tin in their pocket. Amazing how many videos are on uTube, can't believe have avoided it for so many years. Now in the day of dash cams, body cams and people with ability to shoot video from phones the playing field is slowly being leveled to a degree.
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That sounds a lot like what happened to Rodger Stone.... A group of heavily armed criminal Marxist thugs with fraudulent warrants beat on his door at 5:00 am and kidnapped him for partisan political purposes...And this “justices “ system all the way up to the President allowed them to get away with that crime as well as thousands more serious ones.

Under these conditions the rule of law comes down to simply who has more thugs with guns... as well as the element of surprise and willingness to initiate violence.
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You really think that those signs or the Constitution are of any concern to the police? They will say that it was an honest mistake and that their procedures will be severely scrutinized and that their officers' training will be upgraded...that is after you are homicided because they raided the wrong address. This same honest mistake on their part would, of course, be at least manslaughter or some level of murder on your part.
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At least their body cams video will be available in court. If I am dead from their mistake then maybe justice will be served. I am actually not worried at all about a wrong address no-knock or dynamic entry knock and announce very much. Having a disabled wife am worried about home invaders trying to leverage her issues as FBI statistics say a home with disabled occupant are 40 to 60% more likely to be targeted by an attempted home invasion. That said I am not going to pause if people flood through my door and risk giving bad guys an upper hand if law enforcement does not give notice of intent.

This is more of a "what if" and have you instituted any plans for a home invasion type attack. Since have had the Fire Marshall in my house with tablet videoing layout of interior; where water, electrical and gas disconnects are outside and inside. Along with fact doors are force rated entry believe if a no-knock is executed on wrong address cops won't be prepared for force rated entry doors and if have warrant for my house will need a plan that increases entry time to enter whIle trying to avoid motion sensors, pressure pads, cameras and seismic sensors.

It would be near impossible to get inside the fence line much less to a door without me already being up and moving. The signs are for a visual warning a sane person might consider and criminal may decide occupant may be crazy and not worth risk of attempting entry. My concerns center around times wife is home alone. She is having a bad day today and having to stay home and help her second day in a row. Took her to doctor Monday and the wheel chair does draw attention most times when using it or loading it in vehicle from many people passing by. Luckily good neighbors try to keep watch when my truck is not home to help out.
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Pretty much.
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The Navajos tend to live in family clusters. These clusters can be from 2 to 15 or 20 houses of people who are closely related. And normally in a fairly remote area. Any stranger who attempts to approach these areas is noted. And usually there is no cell phone or radio communications available. There are usually plenty of dogs around to give warning if anybody approaches at night. This makes it very difficult for Police Or anyone else who is not welcome. Getting caught in Interlocking fields of fire would not be a very nice day. A person alone is pretty much doomed if faced by a trained and organized group of armed people. Going it alone is suicide. A single person is only a single person no matter how muchgear you might have as a single person.
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that's why the Marine Corps uses fire teams.
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The Navajos tend to live in family clusters. These clusters can be from 2 to 15 or 20 houses of people who are closely related. And normally in a fairly remote area. Any stranger who attempts to approach these areas is noted. And usually there is no cell phone or radio communications available. There are usually plenty of dogs around to give warning if anybody approaches at night. This makes it very difficult for Police Or anyone else who is not welcome. Getting caught in Interlocking fields of fire would not be a very nice day. A person alone is pretty much doomed if faced by a trained and organized group of armed people. Going it alone is suicide. A single person is only a single person no matter how muchgear you might have as a single person.
LOL! Yeah, if the clan can stop getting drunk and sexually abusing their women and children long enough to get any kind of training not to mention keep any kind of weapons to hand, they would certainly be a serious threat. However, almost a decade of experience with the tribe says otherwise...
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Put fake doors on your house.

Get a prehung door and nail it to the exterior wall. They can pound a long time and not get in!

use your garage door as your normal in/out. create a 2nd emergency exit hidden behind one of those big rubbermaid tool storage cabinets.

I think that’s funny as heck because I can see it happening.

Huey, Gman has a point. One should be able to make their argument in three short paragraphs.
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If you are worried about your doors

Put a metal bracket on each side of the door
About 18 inches from top and 18 inches up from the bottom

Use long thick screws to secure to studs in walls

Then get a flat metal Bar Togo in each bracket
You can even modify to put a padlock on one side

Most small stores have these in the back room to stop after hour burglaries

These are not easy to defeat when padlocked in place
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