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Old February 16, 2020, 10:00   #1
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New Bula xm21 on its way

So I the bula xm21 from the mp here is on its way to my ffl.

Gemme a lil learn iní.

What do I need to know, what books should I pick up?

The only thing Iím thinking of changing is putting it in a big red walnut or birch stock. Should I bed it? Iíve never bedded a rifle before, but would like to learn.

It has a a bbl that has be neutered, Iíd like to take it out first and run some handloads through it before contemplating a re barrel.

Itís sitting in a SA tan stock now, so I was thinking of cerakote or paint for that while I wait to for a bit of cash to roll in for the wood stock. (Hence the items in the mp I put up)

Any info would be great. Once it shows up Iíll get her out for a range report.

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Old February 16, 2020, 10:39   #2
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Shoot if for awhile to get familiar with your new rifle. Over time, it will tell you what changes need to be made, if any.
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Old February 16, 2020, 11:51   #3
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Thanks the plan Art.

With the shorter neutered bbl I was told itís loud, accurate but loud. Not sure if I contemplate a rebarrel.
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If by neutered, you mean clipped and a new muzzle crown done, they are not really any louder than any other .308 rifle. Here are a couple of my Version #1 XM21 when they had the removable rail. New ones, the rail is machined as part of the receiver. These have clipped barrels and perform superb.
I actually like USGI fiberglass stocks on some of my rifles.

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Old February 16, 2020, 12:35   #5
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Those are nice looking.

Yes mine is clipped and recrowned at 16 1/8Ē, and yes, the rail is machined into the receiver.

I live in the tight woods, so I thought a scout set up would be perfect. Itís coming with a vortex strike eagle 1x8. But, still toying with the idea of a scout set up.
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I think you will find your rifle quieter than most with muzzle brakes attached. At least from the drivers seat.
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Brother AFeod: Is that the one in the Marketplace that has the barrel cut FLUSH with the gas cylinder? If so, yeah, you are going to have to rebarrel it in future with something longer to get a flash suppressor/muzzle brake on it and make it serviceable.

IIRC, the original owner had it cropped really short to go along with the stupid ass marxist rules in the communist state in which he resides. You should contact BULA and see what they can install for you. If you are gong "a scoutin' " with it, they have the 18 1/2" or 19.25", sumptin' like that.

That rifle was a really good price for a BULA, but it will need a new barrel. DO NOT throw the shortened one away however. It still has other uses as a 308 barrel blank or can be used as bushings for something. NEVER throw away in spec, or even our of spec firearm parts. They can always be used for some other project, if not by you, someone else.

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A-firm, thatís the one.

Iím not dead set on a muzzle device.

Iíd like to take er out in the woods and see how she runs first.

I will call bula and see what they suggest though, just to get my head wrapped around it.

First thing though is to stock up on mags and get rid of the horrible SA fde stock.
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A-firm, thatís the one.

Iím not dead set on a muzzle device.

Iíd like to take er out in the woods and see how she runs first.

I will call bula and see what they suggest though, just to get my head wrapped around it.

First thing though is to stock up on mags and get rid of the horrible SA fde stock.
Keep us posted. I thought the rifle was a good deal, even with needing a new barrel.

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If by neutered, you mean clipped and a new muzzle crown done, they are not really any louder than any other .308 rifle. Here are a couple of my Version #1 XM21 when they had the removable rail. New ones, the rail is machined as part of the receiver. These have clipped barrels and perform superb.
I actually like USGI fiberglass stocks on some of my rifles.

You are spoiling me Brother Art. Is it an optical delusion or are those two barrels of different length? I never had a real desire for the shorter barreled M-14 clones until I started seeing yours and the ones on M-14 Forum. I'm thinking of a 19.25" as first choice and 18.5" as second place winner. Somewhere I read where you have to take the flash suppressor off to clean the gas cylinder. That is not a wise choice if you axe me. I do not remember which length adds that trouble to maintenance.

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Yes, two different lengths. 19.5 and 20.5.

Over the years, I have experimented with barrels from 16. to 20.5 in .5" increments just for the halibut. 22" is still my favorite.
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Old February 26, 2020, 09:03   #12
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Went to my ffl this past weekend to start the paperwork.

I got to handle that new rifle, holy smokes that thing is light, easy to shoulder. It feels “right”.

I got ahold of bula and got some prices for a rebarrel, and a walnut stock.

I’m going to take it out first, mount a vortex 1x8 on ‘er and see how she does before committing to a rebarrel.

If I do go for a new barrel I’m leaning towards the 18.5” nm bbl Bula has.

It’s going to be a woods gun anyway (seeing that’s where I live) so a longer bbl may not be necessary. But walnut is for sure.

Hey Art, do you have any experience with the “BigRed” usgi stocks? Those interest me, as I’ve got big mitts, and a lil more girth might fit well.
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Went to my ffl this past weekend to start the paperwork.

I got to handle that new rifle, holy smokes that thing is light, easy to shoulder. It feels ďrightĒ.

I got ahold of bula and got some prices for a rebarrel, and a walnut stock.

Iím going to take it out first, mount a vortex 1x8 on Ďer and see how she does before committing to a rebarrel.

If I do go for a new barrel Iím leaning towards the 18.5Ē nm bbl Bula has.

Itís going to be a woods gun anyway (seeing thatís where I live) so a longer bbl may not be necessary. But walnut is for sure.

Hey Art, do you have any experience with the ďBigRedĒ usgi stocks? Those interest me, as Iíve got big mitts, and a lil more girth might fit well.

You are on the right track for sure.
Yep, the Big Reds are wonderful. I used to use them exclusively on builds when Fred's had them available.
Since then I haven't been so picky and use anything I can find.
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Try TreelineM14.com for a wood stock. Believe they bought out Fred's inventory at closing. Multiple grades to choose from. Should be able to find a Big Red to your liking up to and including collector grade.
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Went to my ffl this past weekend to start the paperwork.

I got to handle that new rifle, holy smokes that thing is light, easy to shoulder. It feels ďrightĒ.
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That quote seems so wrong on a hundred different levels. If Georgia ever becomes a state where I can't walk out the door with it in my lifetime I will be surprised. I thought Nevada was an instant background check but Google just told me up to three days for an approval. Sir, I know you own over 50, 100, whatever number of firearms, have a carry permit, NFA items and purchased your first store bought rifle on 18th birthday and face to face before then but we are going to have to hold this till we decide if you can have another.... I have been to Tahoe, nothing special enough there to tolerate it even when has fresh powder to ski.

Used to visit Nevada to climb at Red Rocks every year and would swing down into Southern California to climb at Joshua Tree plus the obligatory trips to Yosemite but never will I step foot in either since a Georgia carry permit is not recognized. I wont even fly out for the SHOT show anymore and know others with same opinion. Why can't Georgia and Nevada get on the same page, gave up on Cali but would like to visit Nevada a few more times. Any state that does not recognize my carry permit has lost me from visiting and had been to 49 of 50 states with Hawaii only one missing as they have super retarded laws, a CCW is only valid in County issued??? Can't cross a county line with a firearm? I generally cross half dozen county lines per day.

Back to the new smoke pole, congrats and enjoy. Shoot it and do the mods that speak to you afterwards.
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prepare for a thread drift... kinda

Huey, I've heard this all before...

I am not in a position to move. I have a great career that provides amazing benefits to me and my family, along with a retirement plan that is second to none. And, I love what I do... I can walk or ride my bike to my duty station. The school system here is top in the nation, with great teachers, programs, and small classroom sizes. On top of my gov job, I own a successful (albeit small scale) tree business. Our house is damn near paid off. I have skiing (xc & BC), rock climbing, mountain biking, hiking, hunting, boating, fishing, paddle boarding literally out my door. I'm a ten minute walk to public lands one way and ten minute walk to one of North America's largest alpine lakes the other way.

So, yeah... hoops to jump through for sure. Weighing the pros and cons, I'm happy where I am.

I moved around so much (17 different schools before joining the military) as a kid that it's not funny. I would like to give my son the foundation of living in the same home with the same friends, something I never had...

So that's that
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The rifles home! Can’t wait to take ‘er out and shoot.

Mounted a 1x8 with Lowe rings, I’m gonna need a cheek riser for sure.

Hey Art, are you using Bradley risers on your build of tac pro? Any favorites?
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And why are those McMillan Camo stocks so darn expensive...
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stock

With hydro-dip on a USGI fiberglass, you can make the stock anything you want (including the woodland cammo).
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The rifles home! Can’t wait to take ‘er out and shoot.

Mounted a 1x8 with Lowe rings, I’m gonna need a cheek riser for sure.

Hey Art, are you using Bradley risers on your build of tac pro? Any favorites?

All mine are TAC-PRO.

Hydo dipping can make a nice looking stock. This is one of my Bula Defense Systems XM21s in 6.5 Creedmoor sitting in a hydrodipped USGI fiberglass. Love it. Notice my fancy shooting bench in the background.

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That does look nice. Did you get a diy for the dip, or send it off?
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I bought it already done from a member on another forum. It was listed for a few months and nobody showed any interest. Not being a fan of camo, I hesitated myself. When I finally received it I fell in love. It was done by an outfit in Ohio.
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Art, where did you get the strap-on cheek riser thingie?
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Art, where did you get the strap-on cheek riser thingie?[/QUOTE]


Tac-Pro Canada. I have a bunch of them. I even use one on my 03A4.
Not cheap, but very effective and stable.
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Had an eBay battle for a nice DAS big red birch tiger striped stock. Down to the last minute. Missed it...

Hey Art you got any spare wood hanging around?
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Bradley adjustable will offer another option for your riser. Have several and pleased with all. Multiple color options and can do custom fit for standard vs “bishop” weight stocks. Member over at the M14 forum can even do custom DuraCoat option for the riser if you do something you wanna match to stock.

Like Art, I enjoy my USGI fiberglass stocks. Have even painted a few myself which I find therapeutic.
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Had an eBay battle for a nice DAS big red birch tiger striped stock. Down to the last minute. Missed it...

Hey Art you got any spare wood hanging around?

Nope, take a look at Treeline.
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+1 on Treeline. Email Randy and tell him what you are looking for in a stock. I almost ordered a big red, but selected a grade, requested birch with some "character", ~$140 shipped. Here's my stock after refinishing (still have tape on metal):

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That does look awfully nice. Tree line is where Iíve been looking, I just stumbled onto the eBay find. Iíll end up picking one up from there, just not sure how my refinishing skill are. Guess Iíll find out.
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Opinions?

So, Iíve got a Leupold scout scope on its way. The plan all along is to set it up scout style for shooting in the dense woods around the homestead. Whether i rebarrel or not or when I get a usgi stock, Iíd like to try it out set up in scout configuration.

Hereís my question for yíall:

Whatís the best scout/forward mounted rail for this application?

Iíve seen small and large rail sections that attach to the bbl, Iíve seen ones that just replace the entire hand guard. Etc...

They range in price, so Iím assuming that there are shite ones that are expensive and good ones that are reasonable.

Any personal experience shared would be appreciated.
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