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Old December 01, 2019, 16:28   #1
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Lest We Forget

This is from Forbes, 2017, and is what Obama did and what Hillary was planning on using on us all.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/adamand.../#25bd21ae64a1

Last year, we released our OpenTheBooks.com Oversight Report: The Militarization of America in an editorial published with former-U.S. Senator Dr. Tom Coburn at The Wall Street Journal. Our report quantified the $1.48 billion spent by 67 non-military federal agencies on guns, ammunition, and military-style equipment from 2006-2014.

This week, our organization at OpenTheBooks.com updated our data to include gun and ammo purchases over fiscal year 2015 and a partial FY2016. Spending on guns and ammo at 58 non-military federal agencies – including 40 regulatory, administrative agencies – amounted to $158 million.

The continued growth of the federal arsenal begs the question: Just whom are the feds planning to battle?

More examples of agencies amassing firepower over the last two years:

Loading the Gun Locker – Federal agencies spent $44 million on guns, including an “urgent” order for 20 M-16 Rifles with extra magazines at the Department of Energy ($49,559); shotguns and Glock pistols at the General Services Administration ($16,568); and a bulk order of pistols, sights, and accessories by the Bureau of Reclamation whose main job is to build dams, power plants, and canals ($697,182).

Buying Bullets in Bulk – The government spent $114 million on ammunition, including bulk purchases by the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) ($66,927); the Smithsonian ($42,687); and the Railroad Retirement Board ($6,941). The Social Security Administration spent $61,129 on bullets including 50,000 rounds of ammunition plus 12-gauge buckshot and slug ammo.

The EPA special agents purchased ammunition for their .357 and 9mm revolvers and buckshot for their shotguns. While Bernie Sanders claimed that the biggest adversary to the United States was climate change, the EPA stood ready to fight in ways we couldn’t have imagined.


Hollow-Point Bullets – Despite being outlawed by the Geneva Convention, federal agencies spent $426,268 on hollow-point bullets, including orders from the Forest Service, National Park Service, Office of Inspector General, Bureau of Fiscal Service, as well as Drug Enforcement Administration, U.S. Marshals, and U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement.

Why does the IRS need guns?

Why does the IRS need guns? OpenTheBooks.com

Here's a closer look at the data by agency, which is posted at OpenTheBooks.com:


Department of Education (DOE) – The DOE is armed and ready with 88 law enforcement officers possessing arrest and firearm authority. They’ve purchased buckshot for their shotguns and 40-caliber ammunition for their Glocks. DOE special agents dress in body armor. Their spending on guns, ammunition and military-style equipment was up 25 percent during the last two years under the Obama Administration. Yet, in 2016, it took a pair of armed U.S. Marshals to arrest a man for his unpaid $1,500 student loan!

Department of the Interior – The agency’s mission is to "manage America's vast natural and cultural resources." However, over the last two years, the agency spent $4.4 million on guns and ammunition. Although the National Park Service is responsible for nearly half of this spending – mostly to arm its park police – six other bureaus and offices under the Department of Interior spent millions of dollars to amass firepower.

The U.S. Geological Survey provides “real-time data and information on current conditions and earth observations.” Yet, the agency loaded up on Winchester Black Shadow shotguns and bulk ammunition. Even the Office of the Inspector General armed up – purchasing G27 Glocks, shotgun slugs, and frangible ammo.

Just who is U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service trying to sneak up on? The agency was created to conserve, protect, and enhance fish, wildlife, plants, and their habitats – but they spent $410,263 on .308 rifles, Glock pistols, and semi-automatic rifles. Then, they modified their Glocks with silencers.
Our OpenTheBooks oversight report on the militarization of the federal agencies was launched in June... [+] 2016 at The Wall Street Journal.

Our OpenTheBooks oversight report on the militarization of the federal agencies was launched in June... [+] OpenTheBooks.com

Department of the Treasury – Treasury exists to “maintain a strong economy and create economic and job opportunities ... and manage the U.S. government's finances and resources effectively.” However, it spent $2.6 million to maintain a strong arsenal.

The Bureau of Engraving and Printing spent nearly $100,000 on a purchase described as “firearms” while the U.S. Mint spent $179,247 on ammunition. The Bureau of Fiscal Services – tasked with promoting the “financial integrity” of the government through accounting, financing, etc. – spent $672,424 on ammunition including hundreds of cases of .223 Rem 62 Grain Service Ammo, .40 caliber ammo, and buckshot. Additionally, they stocked up on Glock pistols, Remington firearms, and handgun magazine clips.

Department of Agriculture – Even Agriculture spent $1.1 million on guns and ammunition. The Forest Service stocked up on .22 rifles. The National Resources Conservation Service signed a $10,347 contract with Wild West Guns, LLC for “Guns through 30Mm.” The Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service tallied the biggest tab at the Department of Agriculture, spending $22,336 on rifles and pistols plus nearly half a million dollars on ammunition including buckshot, shotgun shells, and rifle ammunition.

In the aftermath of the deadliest mass shooting in U.S. history, many Washington politicians have tried shifting the conversation to the Second Amendment, reinvigorating the call for tighter gun control. President Trump has an opportunity to propose changes concerning gun control, but not in the way his opponents are calling for.

Trump should listen to the advice former U.S. Senator Dr. Tom Coburn memorialized at Forbes last year after the Orland nightclub massacre: the non-military, non-law enforcement – paper pushing administrative federal agencies – are the ones who should be subject to stricter gun control laws, not the general public.

After grabbing legal power, federal bureaucrats are amassing firepower. It’s time to scale back the federal arsenal.


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Old December 01, 2019, 16:31   #2
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You cannot read that list, and realize how close Hillary and the STATE Dept came, along with the FBI, to arresting us all.

Trump has eliminated many regulations and rules, but that ammo locker and arsenal still resides inside those agencies, like the EPA, and Dept of Engraving.

Schiff and Nadler know it, and want those Agencies to act to help depose Trump.

We are still the targets.
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Orwellian - nearly!

The Hob Nailed Boot - augmented, on the basis of terrorists are under every bed - since 911!
Globurist scumbags all, from the dirty little puppet gwb, onwards - adding an extra 'breach of freedoms' at every opportunity that they can muster!?!?!! The Police are just having a blast - until the party's over that is! ..... against the Geneva convention!
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After 9/11, the federal coffers were opened and grant monies flowed like water to local, state, and those federal agencies mentioned. For the feds, having armed personnel with arrest powers became a status symbol. They all wanted it and found reasons, mostly BS, to apply for the upgrades. Having million dollar mobile command posts also became a status symbol many of them went after and received those, too.
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Since Trump was elected the ammo shelves are full again and the prices are lower.
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That is true Bj, tho' it might be noted that once a pattern is set on spending other peoples money, that that trend is not oft' reversed - this is as it is with:- 'Bad Habits' - rarely halted!
I suspect that those monies are really not be used to solve crime - but to exacerbate 'their' role in society - by the facilitation of those that benefit - who might they be - as mentioned, and as never considered - thats who!!
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Enforcing the "Rule of Law" requires firearms,,, we just went through a siege of assumed ownership on long land leased public lands without any announced resolution by the push over apologist government,,, no lease ever matures into a land deed under our law.
The author of this thread wants the right to bear arms,,, how can it be denied to government officers, when they move among a armed community that is willing to use those arms for protection of life and property,,, right or wrong ?
The government does not always have to use force, no one does, and they very often avoid it under certain administrations,,, voting is more deadly in a society willing to vote themselves free stuff for less personal liberty.
Some states and politicized enclaves are in a state of complete insurrection,,, I call that defacto Civil War,,,, that portends a mess of shooting.

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Enforcing the "Rule of Law" requires firearms,,, we just went through a siege of assumed ownership on long land leased public lands without any announced resolution by the push over apologist government,,, no lease ever matures into a land deed under our law.
The author of this thread wants the right to bear arms,,, how can it be denied to government officers, when they move among a armed community that is willing to use those arms for protection of life and property,,, right or wrong ?
The government does not always have to use force, no one does, and they very often avoid it under certain administrations,,, voting is more deadly in a society willing to vote themselves free stuff for less personal liberty.
Some states and politicized enclaves are in a state of complete insurrection,,, I call that defacto Civil War,,,, that portends a mess of shooting.
How you ask? Because the 'owner' of the thread has credibility and has demonstrated that he is trustworthy. FedGov not so much, in fact they routinely demonstrate something quite different.
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How you ask? Because the 'owner' of the thread has credibility and has demonstrated that he is trustworthy. FedGov not so much, in fact they routinely demonstrate something quite different.
What you just posted does not make sense to me,,, maybe my post does not to you ?
We have the right to change our government,,, so we are,,, and I don't like it.

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What you just posted does not make sense to me,,, maybe my post does not to you ?
We have the right to change our government,,, so we are,,, and I don't like it.
Answering the question you posed, 'how can it (arms) be denied to government when we the people are armed? Very simple, it's because we (generally) are trustworthy while they are not.
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Answering the question you posed, 'how can it (arms) be denied to government when we the people are armed? Very simple, it's because we (generally) are trustworthy while they are not.
yes, because numbers do not lie--

average blue gang cop is seven hundred per cent (700%) more likely to be convicted of crimes than your average carry permit holder.


no uncertainty or debate left on that point.
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Enforcing the "Rule of Law" requires firearms,,, we just went through a siege of assumed ownership on long land leased public lands without any announced resolution by the push over apologist government,,, no lease ever matures into a land deed under our law.
The author of this thread wants the right to bear arms,,, how can it be denied to government officers, when they move among a armed community that is willing to use those arms for protection of life and property,,, right or wrong ?
The government does not always have to use force, no one does, and they very often avoid it under certain administrations,,, voting is more deadly in a society willing to vote themselves free stuff for less personal liberty.
Some states and politicized enclaves are in a state of complete insurrection,,, I call that defacto Civil War,,,, that portends a mess of shooting.
I don't think the OP wants all government personnel to be unarmed.

But who in the world can justify the Dept. of Education having 'combat shotguns' ?

Pretty much, in my view, only the FBI, the Secret Service, game wardens, and Customs/Border patrol should be armed, among our government agencies.

There's no justification for anyone else to be armed.
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In this day of demonstrators taking over premises and destroying property and records armed security sounds like a reasonable solution,,, which is what the 2nd Amendment allows all of us government included,,, lethal force protection of life and property.
Only some sanctuary states and enclaves deny this right,,, but not where I live.
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yes, because numbers do not lie--

average blue gang cop is seven hundred per cent (700%) more likely to be convicted of crimes than your average carry permit holder.


no uncertainty or debate left on that point.
Add to that the inherent statistical bias, which boils down to the justice system protects it's own while intimidating the rest of us through malicious prosecution and the real situation is quite a bit worse than what simple numbers would suggest.

Where I am is that working for FedGov does not necessarily mean that a person is guilty of conspiracy to perpetrate crimes on the population at large, but they sure as hell forfeit the presumption of innocence in that regard. It is in fact strong circumstantial evidence that something may be amiss somewhere.
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Add to that the inherent statistical bias, which boils down to the justice system protects it's own while intimidating the rest of us through malicious prosecution and the real situation is quite a bit worse than what simple numbers would suggest.

Where I am is that working for FedGov does not necessarily mean that a person is guilty of conspiracy to perpetrate crimes on the population at large, but they sure as hell forfeit the presumption of innocence in that regard. It is in fact strong circumstantial evidence that something may be amiss somewhere.
We have the right to expect exemplary records of behavior from our public servants as a condition of employment,,, most departments demand it.
Presumption of innocence is the foundation of our justice system,,, except when Democrats are in charge.
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In this day of demonstrators taking over premises and destroying property and records armed security sounds like a reasonable solution,,, which is what the 2nd Amendment allows all of us government included,,, lethal force protection of life and property.
Only some sanctuary states and enclaves deny this right,,, but not where I live.
the explicit stated purpose of law enforcement is prosecution, specifically to escalate every encounter to felony charges.


in contrast, the stated purpose of private security is not about prosecution, but crime prevention-- at a slim fraction of the cost of processing prosecutions and charges.


polar opposites.


the smart kids under stand the difference.
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We have the right to expect exemplary records of behavior from our public servants as a condition of employment,,, most departments demand it.
Presumption of innocence is the foundation of our justice system,,, except when Democrats are in charge.
seven to one is the ratio, using their own numbers/accounting.

numbers do not lie,

statists do.
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Add to that the inherent statistical bias, which boils down to the justice system protects it's own while intimidating the rest of us through malicious prosecution and the real situation is quite a bit worse than what simple numbers would suggest.

Where I am is that working for FedGov does not necessarily mean that a person is guilty of conspiracy to perpetrate crimes on the population at large, but they sure as hell forfeit the presumption of innocence in that regard. It is in fact strong circumstantial evidence that something may be amiss somewhere.
yes.

that being said, pragmatic observation reveals that there are plenty of situations that the state is simply not equipped to deal with, requiring other means to resolve sticky situations.

end results are usually not pretty, but that is real life.
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yes, because numbers do not lie--

average blue gang cop is seven hundred per cent (700%) more likely to be convicted of crimes than your average carry permit holder.


no uncertainty or debate left on that point.
can you please post your source for this statistic? I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with it's accuracy, just curious about it.
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can you please post your source for this statistic? I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with it's accuracy, just curious about it.
headlines.
most recently el chapo junior, the siege of culiacán capitol city of the sinaloa, scores of bodies along the border.
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most recently el chapo junior, the siege of culiacán capitol city of the sinaloa, scores of bodies along the border.
This ^ doesn't answer the question posed.
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We have the right to expect exemplary records of behavior from our public servants as a condition of employment,,, most departments demand it.
Presumption of innocence is the foundation of our justice system,,, except when Democrats are in charge.
We have a right, yes that's the point. But it's not the lack of 'exemplary' behavior that is the issue, it's that their behavior is unacceptable. A far lower bar than 'exemplary'. And by their own actions they demonstrate that they have no intention of abiding by the agreements made back in the day loaning them them their powers for the purpose of safeguarding our liberties. As such it is foolhardy and irresponsible to expect that this situation can be turned around without erasing the toxic culture which this generation of 'civil servants' has created.

And step one must be getting rid of them all, permanently and forever. As to whether the thing in fact can be turned around, well I would not be betting anything important on that.
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most recently el chapo junior, the siege of culiacán capitol city of the sinaloa, scores of bodies along the border.
"Headlines" are your source? That's the honest answer to my question? Seriously, what is your source?
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Theoretically a Democracy such as ours creates it's own governing "Rule of Law" within Constitutional confines ,,, "Rule of Law" is being violated in certain parts of our nation with impunity as we speak here,,, when this has happened in our past history Martial Law was the remedy, armed intervention,,, the Civil Rights we all enjoy regardless of race required armed intervention to enforce,,, special interest groups seek to expand that mandate with civil disobedience that over rides the Rule of Law,,, some here would use the same methods for their own purposes,,, I contend the wrong interpretation of or the right one for the wrong reason will lead to the suicide of our nation,,, having availed my self of all the freedoms of this nation has afforded me I would hate to see that event come to pass,,, be careful what you wish for lest you get it,,, like California and New York and a few other places.
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I guess this is a good place to start.

https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/fu...eral-agencies/


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"Headlines" are your source? That's the honest answer to my question? Seriously, what is your source?
source is reality.

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Here is one of the boys in blue showing to all his brothers what it means to be a good cop.

"A former Chicago police commander once considered a rising star in the department was spared federal prison Tuesday for pocketing more than $360,000 in Social Security payments intended for his mother that he continued to collect for nearly 25 years after her death."

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3798117/posts

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Obama damaged this country and it has been unable to be repair till this moment. He is truly a Demon from Hell.
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Here is one of the boys in blue showing to all his brothers what it means to be a good cop.

"A former Chicago police commander once considered a rising star in the department was spared federal prison Tuesday for pocketing more than $360,000 in Social Security payments intended for his mother that he continued to collect for nearly 25 years after her death."

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3798117/posts

They don't need guns to rob the tax payers.
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https://www.heritage.org/crime-and-j...ment-swat-team

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https://www.everycrsreport.com/reports/R44179.html
More examples of armed Fed teams, awaiting the next Democratic POTUS to strike the deplorables.
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It's an interesting topic you have going but we either have to play twenty questions or give each other our opinions right away. I take a lot of time to read and think. I put events into a big picture in order to see where we are headed. It's just opinion and like everyone here we all have them and really if I go to the effort to post one then what's it worth? Not a fugging thing

It may give folks a different take but frankly my givashitter about what folks glean from my opinions is broke.
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Old December 04, 2019, 19:36   #32
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This "report" seems to be under the heading of "Chicken Little" aka "much ado about nothing". The $ figures are not out of line. As I noticed on my own, 3 decades ago, EVERY cabinet-level Dept of The FedGod is going to have some gun-toters. I mean, what's the use of rising to the level of HUD Sec'y if you can't have a limo and some "muscle"?


PS: For those who wonder why the Dept. of Energy tops the list, it could be due to their purview, which includes a little thing called stewardship and security of the nation's NUCLEAR WEAPONS ARSENAL... and that includes "components" and "spares" and production facilities.

... in fact the DoE SWAT Teams used to be called "Snake Eaters", and on those rare occasions (Reagan Admin, IIRC?) they were allowed to compete in IPSC and 3-Gun matches, they cleaned house!

I'm glad those guarding the NUKES practice their weps and tactics. I'm just pissed I don't have a free suppressed MP-5-10mm, and a limitless supply of free ammo... but I'll get over it.
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