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Old January 07, 2020, 13:48   #1
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HB 567 Indoor shooting ranges; prohibited in buildings not owned or leased by the Commonwealth.
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SUMMARY AS INTRODUCED:
Indoor shooting ranges; prohibited in buildings not owned or leased by the Commonwealth or federal government; exceptions; civil penalty. Prohibits the operation of an indoor shooting range, defined in the bill, in any building not owned or leased by the Commonwealth or federal government unless (i) fewer than 50 employees work in the building or (ii) (a) at least 90 percent of the users of the indoor shooting range are law-enforcement officers or federal law-enforcement officers, (b) the indoor shooting range maintains a log of each user's name, phone number, address, and the law-enforcement agency where such user is employed, and (c) the indoor shooting range verifies each user's identity and address by requiring all users to present a government-issued photo-identification card. The bill provides that any person that violates the provisions of this section is subject to a civil penalty of not less than $1,000 nor more than $100,000 for the initial violation and $5,000 per day for each day of violation thereafter.


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Old January 07, 2020, 14:23   #2
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The Democrats are trying to provoke and instigate violence by passing unconstitutional, weaponized laws that target conservatives , whom they have decided are the new post 1865 southern, jim crow negro/Dred Scott 2nd. class citizen ,low class farm animal.

They are even prepared to deploy a paramilitary strike force of Marxist killers who will operate out of their safe areas in richmond to bypass local law enforcement who are not down with the unconstitutional program to selectively target and make high profile examples out of gun owners deep in these "red areas".

Perhaps it unfair and premature to criticize Trump for not making a statement or a tweet about supporting Virginia's second amendment rights....However, i believe part of the DNC's agenda here is to expose trump's true colors on the second amendment, and to exploit the fact that the weaponized FBI will be on the ground there to do the typical dirt we have grown to expect from them despite Trump "support" for the second amendment.

I am confident that Virginia patriots instinctively recognize this and that they realize that they are on their own.

I would hope that a movement begins in Virginia to refuse to pay taxes to a gang of Marxists criminals that are using this money to enslave and persecute the very honest citizenry that these laws target.

Lets pretend for a second that the Virginia GOP passed laws that made it illegal for a group of Blacks to gather to dance and listen to rap music in night clubs......The MSM would immediately attack them and accuse them of racism, demand that they resign from office for violating the constitutional rights of blacks and it would be on every national MSM channel all day long until the politicians responsible resigned.....In this case its white people who's specific enumerated second amendment right is being targeted and the national MSM is silent and behind the scenes cheering on the death squads to move in and kill conservatives who resist this insanity.......That is how far down the rabbit hole we are , boys.

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Old January 07, 2020, 14:56   #3
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The Democrats are trying to provoke and instigate violence by passing unconstitutional, weaponized laws that target conservatives , whom they have decided are the new post 1865 southern, jim crow negro/Dred Scott 2nd. class citizen ,low class farm animal.

They are even prepared to deploy a paramilitary strike force of Marxist killers who will operate out of their safe areas in richmond to bypass local law enforcement who are not down with the unconstitutional program to selectively target and make high profile examples out of gun owners deep in these "red areas".

Perhaps it unfair and premature to criticize Trump for not making a statement or a tweet about supporting Virginia's second amendment rights....However, i believe part of the DNC's agenda here is to expose trump's true colors on the second amendment, and to exploit the fact that the weaponized FBI will be on the ground there to do the typical dirt we have grown to expect from them despite Trump "support" for the second amendment.

I am confident that Virginia patriots instinctively recognize this and that they realize that they are on their own.

I would hope that a movement begins in Virginia to refuse to pay taxes to a gang of Marxists criminals that are using this money to enslave and persecute the very honest citizenry that these laws target.

Lets pretend for a second that the Virginia GOP passed laws that made it illegal for a group of Blacks to gather to dance and listen to rap music in night clubs......The MSM would immediately attack them and accuse them of racism, demand that they resign from office for violating the constitutional rights of blacks and it would be on every national MSM channel all day long until the politicians responsible resigned.....In this case its white people who's specific enumerated second amendment right is being targeted and the national MSM is silent and behind the scenes cheering on the death squads to move in and kill conservatives who resist this insanity.......That is how far down the rabbit hole we are , boys.
If the intent of those 28 new "employees" is to intimidate, harass, victimize, and kill Virginia citizens over the type firearms Virginians own, Coonman will likely run out of them pretty damn fast.
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Old January 07, 2020, 15:09   #4
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The Democrats are trying to provoke and instigate violence by passing unconstitutional, weaponized laws that target conservatives , whom they have decided are the new post 1865 southern, jim crow negro/Dred Scott 2nd. class citizen ,low class farm animal.

They are even prepared to deploy a paramilitary strike force of Marxist killers who will operate out of their safe areas in richmond to bypass local law enforcement who are not down with the unconstitutional program to selectively target and make high profile examples out of gun owners deep in these "red areas".

Perhaps it unfair and premature to criticize Trump for not making a statement or a tweet about supporting Virginia's second amendment rights....However, i believe part of the DNC's agenda here is to expose trump's true colors on the second amendment, and to exploit the fact that the weaponized FBI will be on the ground there to do the typical dirt we have grown to expect from them despite Trump "support" for the second amendment.

I am confident that Virginia patriots instinctively recognize this and that they realize that they are on their own.

I would hope that a movement begins in Virginia to refuse to pay taxes to a gang of Marxists criminals that are using this money to enslave and persecute the very honest citizenry that these laws target.

Lets pretend for a second that the Virginia GOP passed laws that made it illegal for a group of Blacks to gather to dance and listen to rap music in night clubs......The MSM would immediately attack them and accuse them of racism, demand that they resign from office for violating the constitutional rights of blacks and it would be on every national MSM channel all day long until the politicians responsible resigned.....In this case its white people who's specific enumerated second amendment right is being targeted and the national MSM is silent and behind the scenes cheering on the death squads to move in and kill conservatives who resist this insanity.......That is how far down the rabbit hole we are , boys.
Hey. At least we know where we stand then, right?
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Old January 07, 2020, 15:10   #5
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has got nothing to do with DJT.

this is entirely about the bolshies getting revenge on the deplorable irredeemables that have openly defied their collectivist cult.

gun control is the current phase of the "civil movement" social justice conflict.
it only ends with submission to their collective, socialized disarmament.
settling old scores, and making new scores.

the bolshies are serious.
they want what they want
and they do mean to use force to take what they want, by any means necessary.

socializing/cancelling our BOR,
socializing/cancelling the electoral college,
socializing/cancelling due process,

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Old January 07, 2020, 15:10   #6
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If the intent of those 28 new "employees" is to intimidate, harass, victimize, and kill Virginia citizens over the type firearms Virginians own, Coonman will likely run out of them pretty damn fast.
The communist left is the government and their comrades they control in MSM, big business, social media and corporate america are a government sponsored terrorist gang and they have collectively decided to use a program of terror, censorship, weaponized laws and coercion that specifically target their political enemies... They are working in unison, all collectively and their crony fabian socialist stooges in business who the government can threaten, intimidate and reward for their loyalty who will eventually be used to cancel conservatives bank accounts, credit cards, cut off your cell phone, internet and electricity ect ect ect because you are a conservative who supports the second amendment...And your social credit score dictates that you deserve this to happen to you.

Right now they are in the Pavlovian conditioning stage of this campaign...They are getting you to accept the idea that you are a second class citizen deserving of this treatment and my opinion os they have been very successful at this judging by how conservatives react to the things these Marxist criminal tyrants are proposing , implementing and getting away with.

This is your future, Mr. and Mrs Conservative American.
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Old January 07, 2020, 15:39   #7
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Tip Drill is inciting pre-emptive violence.

Tip Drill will no where nearby should someone he instigated acts rashly.
Seems to me that the Va Shriffs and Sanctuary Counties are the front lines, but not good enough for Tip Drill............ as HE HAS BEEN ORDERED TO GET THEM SHOOTING NOW.

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Old January 07, 2020, 15:40   #8
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The communist left is the government and their comrades they control in MSM, big business, social media and corporate america are a government sponsored terrorist gang and they have collectively decided to use a program of terror, censorship, weaponized laws and coercion that specifically target their political enemies... They are working in unison, all collectively and their crony fabian socialist stooges in business who the government can threaten, intimidate and reward for their loyalty who will eventually be used to cancel conservatives bank accounts, credit cards, cut off your cell phone, internet and electricity ect ect ect because you are a conservative who supports the second amendment...And your social credit score dictates that you deserve this to happen to you.

Right now they are in the Pavlovian conditioning stage of this campaign...They are getting you to accept the idea that you are a second class citizen deserving of this treatment and my opinion os they have been very successful at this judging by how conservatives react to the things these Marxist criminal tyrants are proposing , implementing and getting away with.

This is your future, Mr. and Mrs Conservative American.
They obviously know nothing about Scoth/Irish/German hillbillies!
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Old January 07, 2020, 15:41   #9
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If the intent of those 28 new "employees" is to intimidate, harass, victimize, and kill Virginia citizens over the type firearms Virginians own, Coonman will likely run out of them pretty damn fast.
We are in uncharted waters, Whydah.

The Marxists have selected Virginia to be the first place they try this insanity for a very specific reason, (As you very well know, a Virginian wrote the second amendment of the United States constitution).

That retarded bastard, closeted racist, drunk shit for brains Governor "coonman" is just a puppet here, carrying out the orders given to him like the obedient prostitute he is.....No doubt he has been promised a home on Martha's Vineyard between Hillary's and Obamas for what he is now doing.

Its how far the puppet masters are willing to go...That is what i am uncertain of.
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Right on the job in your DC Federal Office, eh tip Drill?
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Old January 07, 2020, 15:52   #11
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Right on the job in your DC Federal Office, eh tip Drill?
Hi V guy...Im in AZ. Bro, Im wearing a Puma Hoodie, red basketball shorts, Asics running shoes and a blue pocket t shirt....And im drinking a bang energy drink.

Im glad you acknowledge the special power i have over you, though...I will try not to abuse it ..Or force you to do anything too "illegal"
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If you were not on the Federal payroll, instigating us for the Feds, you would have to be almost so crazy, sociopathic, psychopathic and anti social, as to have been ALREADY locked up for multiple fighting/ assaults, or locked up in a mental institution several times for psychosis.

You would not be a gun owner for sure.


But, you are too well written, and so arrogant and so full of yourself, at your supposed brilliance of tricking rubes,( who you want to see behind bars someday) that it reveals that you are not really that smart at all...only a mid grade "Federal smart", like Stoczk or that stupid gash lawyer Page.

Dumb asses cannot be undercover CIA, or real Donnie Brasco types, because they are just too arrogant, and as a result cannot take the temperature of the water or even of their own faults, due to their attempts to blend in and "profile" themselves as just one of the guys.

You criminal attempts to get persons from Va or elsewhere to begin lone wolf attacks or mass attacks without leaders, smacks of 1988 era "Fed think" and instigation techniques...........kind of like why it took the FBI so long to find the UNIBOMBER....bureaucratic onethink disease cripples your efforts to succeed.

Your plot to be able to go on overtime and arrest all of us, instigated by your craven words, has fallen into the crapper again............ and only your own stink lingers.
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If you were not on the Federal payroll, instigating us for the Feds, you would have to be almost so crazy, sociopathic, psychopathic and anti social, as to have been ALREADY locked up for multiple fighting/ assaults, or locked up in a mental institution several times for psychosis.

You would not be a gun owner for sure.


But, you are too well written, and so arrogant and so full of yourself, at your supposed brilliance of tricking rubes,( who you want to see behind bars someday) that it reveals that you are not really that smart at all...only a mid grade "Federal smart", like Stoczk or that stupid gash lawyer Page.

Dumb asses cannot be undercover CIA, or real Donnie Brasco types, because they are just too arrogant, and as a result cannot take the temperature of the water or even of their own faults, due to their attempts to blend in and "profile" themselves as just one of the guys.

You criminal attempts to get persons from Va or elsewhere to begin lone wolf attacks or mass attacks without leaders, smacks of 1988 era "Fed think" and instigation techniques...........kind of like why it took the FBI so long to find the UNIBOMBER....bureaucratic onethink disease cripples your efforts to succeed.

Your plot to be able to go on overtime and arrest all of us, instigated by your craven words, has fallen into the crapper again............ and only your own stink lingers.
I am glad that i have "stimulated" your brain in this fashion and had such a profound effect on you, Bro.

For a while i was having a difficult time discerning if you had tourettes syndrome or you were simply a paranoid alcoholic.....Thank you for clearing that up for me.
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If you were not on the Federal payroll, instigating us for the Feds, you would have to be almost so crazy, sociopathic, psychopathic and anti social, as to have been ALREADY locked up for multiple fighting/ assaults, or locked up in a mental institution several times for psychosis.

You would not be a gun owner for sure.


But, you are too well written, and so arrogant and so full of yourself, at your supposed brilliance of tricking rubes,( who you want to see behind bars someday) that it reveals that you are not really that smart at all...only a mid grade "Federal smart", like Stoczk or that stupid gash lawyer Page.

Dumb asses cannot be undercover CIA, or real Donnie Brasco types, because they are just too arrogant, and as a result cannot take the temperature of the water or even of their own faults, due to their attempts to blend in and "profile" themselves as just one of the guys.

You criminal attempts to get persons from Va or elsewhere to begin lone wolf attacks or mass attacks without leaders, smacks of 1988 era "Fed think" and instigation techniques...........kind of like why it took the FBI so long to find the UNIBOMBER....bureaucratic onethink disease cripples your efforts to succeed.

Your plot to be able to go on overtime and arrest all of us, instigated by your craven words, has fallen into the crapper again............ and only your own stink lingers.
Damn, you’re both sounding a little wacky, and neither of you are here in Virginia...
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He is already red-pilled, he took the anti-kool aid supplement as well - that allows him to think for himself, and not echo that which some find palatable, bland, and easy to digest!
I find nothing inciteful with what he has to say, which I hear only as being alert and engaged - which some perceive as 'unreasoned obtusiveness' - but, sadly from the shallow waters that many paddle in!
Maxine Waters is inciteful - Tipdrill, just makes some think harder! What does he mean by Fabian - some may ponder?
After all he arranges his thoughts as words in sentences, not garbled utterances - as if he'd kicked a stump, and broken a toe - and shouted something!!
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Ready the lawsuits.

This type of law didn't fly even in Chicago.

Plus a suit could claim it's racist and illegally violating civil rights because banning indoor ranges (mostly in city areas) would obviously and disproportionally impact Black citizens who more strongly populate urban/city areas.

Law is racist.
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Ready the lawsuits.

This type of law didn't fly even in Chicago.

Plus a suit could claim it's racist and illegally violating civil rights because banning indoor ranges (mostly in city areas) would obviously and disproportionally impact Black citizens who more strongly populate urban/city areas.

Law is racist.
The "law" (only a proposal at this point) is also anti-private property.
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The "law" (only a proposal at this point) is also anti-private property.
And that is a great angle
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how many indoor gun shooting ranges are there in USA that have "more than 50 people working in the building"? i have never seen one in all of my 55 years. this bill is written to be irrelevant on it's face. it is a non-issue, even if it passes and becomes law.

they might as well add in an addendum to make it illegal to fly on the backs of giant green dragons. everybody knows that giant dragons are all red.
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how many indoor gun shooting ranges are there in USA that have "more than 50 people working in the building"? i have never seen one in all of my 55 years. this bill is written to be irrelevant on it's face. it is a non-issue, even if it passes and becomes law.

they might as well add in an addendum to make it illegal to fly on the backs of giant green dragons. everybody knows that giant dragons are all red.
Maybe you missed this part.... "(b) the indoor shooting range maintains a log of each user's name, phone number, address, and the law-enforcement agency where such user is employed, and (c) the indoor shooting range verifies each user's identity and address by requiring all users to present a government-issued photo-identification card."
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"Agency" and Gov't ID. ?!
That right there sez *only* members of a certain club, approved elites or special enforcers may use the facilities.

But wait......there's more!!!
The latest one regards "no lead" ammunition. Seems someone got stuck on the "cop killer boolit" train back in the 80's.
NY-clad, coated, KTW, anything but lead, in essence, is verboten.
All these recent bills seem to carry 5th and 6th degree felony prices. Wazzat!? Just north of misdemeanor so's they can pull yer ticked and brand you a subversive?

Bloomberg musta made northie one helluva deal to promulgate alla this chit. Maybe a secret bunker somewhere? ;
He just might need it
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"Agency" and Gov't ID. ?!
That right there sez *only* members of a certain club, approved elites or special enforcers may use the facilities.

But wait......there's more!!!
The latest one regards "no lead" ammunition. Seems someone got stuck on the "cop killer boolit" train back in the 80's.
NY-clad, coated, KTW, anything but lead, in essence, is verboten.
All these recent bills seem to carry 5th and 6th degree felony prices. Wazzat!? Just north of misdemeanor so's they can pull yer ticked and brand you a subversive?

Bloomberg musta made northie one helluva deal to promulgate alla this chit. Maybe a secret bunker somewhere? ;
He just might need it
This latest bill seems to be designed by the Marxist "gun experts" that Bloomberg has hired on to protect the 28 masked, hand picked from the ranks of antifa, protected identity ,Marxist killers who will be enforcing these unconstitutional , illegal gun confiscation "laws".

The 28 Marxist killers working to disarm Virginian's will have their high capacity , surefire 60 round magazines loaded with M855A1 , however...to penetrate the plate carriers or body armor of any dirt faced, down low second class citizen, hillbilly white trash gun nut that believes his or her rights come from god and the constitution and not Bloomberg and Coonman and dares to resist......I find it very ironic that the party that sides with illegal alien criminals over and above legitimate US citizens also shares the same morals, ethics and values as the illegal aliens.....Arguably lower ones.

And the same goes for the Virginia courts, judges, bailiffs,District attorneys, stenographers, and government workers that support and lend legitimacy to this tyranny by accepting it and going along with it and using the power and authority of their office to implement it.
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No one is going to be going house to house, without valid warrants, searching for guns., any guns.



Only in Tip Drill's demented Federal mind, does this happen. He wants to be part of such a 28 man team that does not exist, and will not exist.

Courts and injunctions as lawsuits play out, will be the tale of this fiasco, not Beavis/Buttheads continuing attempts to get people shooting at authority figures.

Tip Drill, the faux sovereign citizen, is a Fed named Beavis, and was created out of the same cloth as Stroczk.
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Spoke with a friend today who does 'active shooter' training and holds classes for people to qualify for their CCWs. He told me that he usually gives three CCW classes a week. For the past three weeks the demand is so high he's doing two classes A DAY!

My wife's elderly Uncle went out yesterday and bought a .357mag. He hasn't fired a gun since he was a paratrooper back in the 1950s! (Yes, I am helping enroll both to them in a fundamental firearms course to start.)

Point is, Virginians are taking this intended tyranny seriously.
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SB 12, 22, 35, 69, 70, 240, 450, 505, 543, 615 are all gun-control bills that affect Virginia's law-abiding gun owners, NOT criminals. Virginia's gun owners are tired of being the target of gun control when they aren't the problem.

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Glad I have a non-resident Utah CCW permit!

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Old January 11, 2020, 19:25   #27
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Glad I have a non-resident Utah CCW permit!

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hijacking reciprocity is now and will remain a priority of the democommie push to cancel our bill of rights.

technically speaking, reciprocity is a purely diplomatic courtesy arrangement,
sourced from an agreement by two governors of two states to recognize each others' carry permits as legally fungible.

its' just an understanding of like minds, but its' not law.
as distinct from our bill of rights, which is the law of the land.



you are virginians,
so it is now time once again for you to act like it.--


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Old January 12, 2020, 07:06   #28
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Its more than just an agreement. Herring attempted to do this same thing several years ago. A deal was struck with Republicans. In a quid pro quo agreement Herring dropped the effort. Now, after getting what they wanted years earlier he is reneging on the deal. His word is worthless.

At the time, once other states began hearing about Virginia dropping reciprocity with them, they, in a tit for tat, threatened to no longer recognize Virgina CCWs.
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Old January 12, 2020, 10:11   #29
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in any building not owned or leased by the Commonwealth or federal government unless (i) fewer than 50 employees work in the building or (ii)

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Maybe you missed this part.... "(b) the indoor shooting range maintains a log of each user's name, phone number, address, and the law-enforcement agency where such user is employed, and (c) the indoor shooting range verifies each user's identity and address by requiring all users to present a government-issued photo-identification card."
I've never seen an indoor range that had more than 4 or 5 employees. How big of a place must it be to have 50? Just based on that sentence alone, I don't see how this would actually affect a range. Yes, I know it is an abhorrent law, but it appears to not do anything. Then again, I've spent 5 minutes in law school and that was looking for a bathroom and a vending machine....

Whydah - There is an or in the clause - if employee count less than 50 OR they keep all these logs, etc. and most are LE etc and so forth

49 employees or less, and no logging, etc. and no issue.
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Old January 12, 2020, 15:08   #31
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Elections do indeed have consequences.

Failing to vote has consequences also.
yes virginians are realizing that; coming soon to your statehouse.

corollary: no one is coming to save you.
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I've never seen an indoor range that had more than 4 or 5 employees. How big of a place must it be to have 50? Just based on that sentence alone, I don't see how this would actually affect a range. Yes, I know it is an abhorrent law, but it appears to not do anything. Then again, I've spent 5 minutes in law school and that was looking for a bathroom and a vending machine....

Whydah - There is an or in the clause - if employee count less than 50 OR they keep all these logs, etc. and most are LE etc and so forth

49 employees or less, and no logging, etc. and no issue.
Yep, I've read and re-read that thing a dozen times. I honestly can't determine for certain what impact it will have!
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Yep, I've read and re-read that thing a dozen times. I honestly can't determine for certain what impact it will have!
it's focused on the NRA range
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it's focused on the NRA range
for now, it will then be expanded to declare all ranges gun free zones.

the democommies will keep pushing until they meet steel.
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Accepting it on the premise that virtually no ranges meet the 50-employee thing is silly.

Reminds me of the old story of professor who asks female student if she'd bang a dude for $1M. "Yes, I believe I would", she replies. So he asks if she'll bang the dude for $50. "Heck no, do you take me for a prostitute?" He responds "we've already established that, now we're simply dickering over price."

50 employees today, 5 employees tomorrow when someone discovers the "49 employee loophole"
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Once enacted this law can be changed by the 'stroke of a pen' to eliminate all ranges, both public and private.

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This is not going to end well... there will be blood.

They pull this crap and severely piss people off could you imagine trying to be a state cop in a rural county, you and your cruiser would be a bullet magnet. hell you would be afraid to put gas in the cruiser or go to a call for fear of being setup in a ambush.

I'm not advocating violence but this could easily happen, I could see troopers refusing to patrol certain areas or some even resigning.

What these simpletons don't realise is a group of 20-25 men could bring a large city to a standstill within a 1/2 hour and I have no doubt there are some set to do so.
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This is not going to end well... there will be blood.

They pull this crap and severely piss people off could you imagine trying to be a state cop in a rural county, you and your cruiser would be a bullet magnet. hell you would be afraid to put gas in the cruiser or go to a call for fear of being setup in a ambush.

I'm not advocating violence but this could easily happen, I could see troopers refusing to patrol certain areas or some even resigning.

What these simpletons don't realise is a group of 20-25 men could bring a large city to a standstill within a 1/2 hour and I have no doubt there are some set to do so.
the bolshies know that, counting on it.

democommies want blue gang jack boots and gunnies killing each other--
win-win for the democommie agenda, at no cost to themselves.

the whole point of jacking the system and turning our bill of rights on its' head is chaos, destabilization, then exploitation.

and of course, RINO enablers are doing their part as the controlled opposition.
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These DNC state government prostitutes in Richmond are simply carrying out the agenda of Soros, Bloomberg and the DNC.......They all have been promised payment to be deposited in their offshore bank accounts by the above puppetmasters for each unconstitutional, illegal, immoral and unjust "law" they pass.

How else can you explain a state government representative's willingness to blatantly violate the US and Virginia constitutions, and for all intents and purposes declare an old west style dead or alive bounty on the heads of law abiding Virginia citizen taxpayers who happen to own firearms?

This is going to cause an caustic atmosphere of fear , distrust and paranoia among the VA citizenry toward law enforcement..And create an insurgency and insurrection movement..An atmosphere that will result in violence....And this is exactly the goal of this weaponized legislation.

The bigger agenda here is to deliberately instigate this violence in VA. so the DNC and their MSM prostitutes can blame gun owners,use the violence as an excuse to implement "Red flag laws" ,label gun owners domestic terrorists and tie them all politically to Trump.....and create a nationwide movement to eliminate you and i with these same tactics....State by state.

The real crime here is these scum bag , Marxist democrats in VA , in the MSM and elsewhere are willing to do this to the citizens of this country for 30 pieces of silver.

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many of these left wing fools have no idea the hornets nest there stirring up and the ones that do.... Would scream just as loud when dragged to the rope.
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This is not going to end well... there will be blood.

They pull this crap and severely piss people off could you imagine trying to be a state cop in a rural county, you and your cruiser would be a bullet magnet. hell you would be afraid to put gas in the cruiser or go to a call for fear of being setup in a ambush.

I'm not advocating violence but this could easily happen, I could see troopers refusing to patrol certain areas or some even resigning.

What these simpletons don't realise is a group of 20-25 men could bring a large city to a standstill within a 1/2 hour and I have no doubt there are some set to do so.
20-25 men and 3-5 of them are government plants.

This scenario of men shutting down a large city, it's not going to happen - they'd all have to be kinfolk who don't use any form of electronic communications, ever, and have never so much as mentioned a rebellious thought online or on a phone.
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The NRA is handing out 1,000 free 30 round magazines at the rally





Courtesy of magpul.

They should air drop 10,000 over the state with little parachutes !
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Its already been covered in the thread, but this is a blatant power move by the left. One, to punish and troll the Deplorables, and two, to try an provoke an big response so they can paint the entire 2nd Amendment as nothing more than a quaint 3/5ths clause of a bygone era. Communists always seek to destabilize and create chaos, the goal being to drive frightened people into their arms. They did it with healthcare, they did it with the cost of college, they did it with Social Security funding. This is just another front in that war. Nothing would play into their hands better than random acts of violence.
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