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Old March 27, 2007, 02:00   #1
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Anesthetic

Would anyone know of a effective anesthetic that is readily available over the internet ?
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Old March 27, 2007, 08:14   #2
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Old March 27, 2007, 20:30   #3
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One of my family-members is an anaesthesiologist - I'll ask him tonight and report back.
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An oral in my stash is Laphroiag. Tastes like iodine first sip, that should be ok for a local to get rid of germs at least. Cells outside the body get drunk too, don't they?

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An oral in my stash is Laphroiag. Tastes like iodine first sip, that should be ok for a local to get rid of germs at least. Cells outside the body get drunk too, don't they?

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An oral anesthetic would be benzocaine, cocaine or novacaine (Lidocaine). Anesthetics numb nerves, eliminating or reducing pain during procedures such as suturing.
Cocaine was also used for repairing broken noses etc.

An antiseptic kills germs. Betadine is excellent as long as it has time to dry.

Most injectable anesthetics are regulated.

Lidocaine, in 1% or 2% concentrations is an acceptable injectable local anesthetic but can cause problems in cases of sensitivity or over use as it is also a cardiac drug. It is also available mixed with epinephrine for use in suturing (for example) of more vascular areas. Epi constricts the blood vessels and, incidentally, is also a cardiac drug. In doing so it reduces blood loss when used in minor procedures.

Either should be used with caution, both from a standpoint of sensitivity, that of cardiac implications and that of precautions against blood borne pathogens. Neither is readily available. There may be a form of Lido available from a veterinary supply house without prescription. One can obtain some antibiotics from veterinary supply houses without prescription. Tetracycline comes to mind.

Probably, if absolutely necessary, a general in the form of a fifth of bourbon or maybe ether (starting fluid) properly administered would serve you better.
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Veterinarian meds! Mail order. Hopefully you know how to use parental anesthetics and when.

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Now we're getting into a whole other thing. Besides the how and when you need to understand life support and be ready to continue that for hours after your procedure is over. This topic was about locals.

Hint: The welding supply houses sell you pretty much the same oxygen as the hospitals use.

But now we're talking cholecystectomies and beyond.

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"eliminating or reducing pain during procedures such as suturing"

The above is what I am trying to achieve. I have built up a good medical kit, but its the "local anesthetic" for the above proceedures that I am trying to obtain.
This is only for use when no hospitals are available.
I am thinking that maybe some strong "drink" is safer than guessing. I had hoped for some kind of externally applied ..maybe sprayed..magic pain block.....
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An oral in my stash is Laphroiag. Tastes like iodine first sip, that should be ok for a local to get rid of germs at least. Cells outside the body get drunk too, don't they?
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All the effective local anesthetics are DEA regulated items.

You do NOT want to get caught with any such thing if you do not have a DEA license.

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Old March 29, 2007, 09:48   #12
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One of my family-members is an anaesthesiologist - I'll ask him tonight and report back.
Sorry, he was working last night, so haven't got a hold of him yet - I'll try again later today once he's woken-up.
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If you use xylocaine (lidocaine) with epi, remember -- No toes, nose, fingers, or weiners......
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Get epi in any of the above, and you will be missing said appendage forthwith.
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OK.....what is epi?

ya gonna make go look it up?
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Most anesthetics are DEA regulated and cannot be obtained or used by lay persons. I would strongly advise against it anyway as they can be dangerous and even deadly if misused.

Local anesthetics that can be obtained over the counter are topically applied, usually to the teeth, gums, and throat. Things like orajel work very well for gums and teeth. Also, I believe clove oil may be available over the counter and makes a good temporary dental packing.

If you are sick or injured, DO NOT TRY TO PRACTICE MEDICINE AT HOME. SEEK PROFESSIONAL HELP OR ADVICE. PAIN IS AN INDICATION THAT SOMETHING IS WRONG WITH YOU AND NEEDS ATTENTION.

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I've always been partial to Lydocaine ; but in a pinch....
How's about oil of clove? Works pretty well in tooth ache juice!

Alcohol as the vehicle and a few drops(?) of clove oil. UNless you're doing (against all better judgement and medical advice!) internal, vascular or inter-muscular surgery; It oughta work for topical, surface dermal sutures. Better yet..just cowboy up and do the deed!
I've done 'em on meownself when needed ; but I prefer sugi-strips and butterflys...less chance of complications

ANy recommendations against that one, armed1? Complications arising from the oil or the (?) active ingredients/chems in same?

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I'm talking survival scenarios here...
Currently, I just drive to the doctors or the hospital, what I am talking about is a requirement if there are no medical facilities. what you call a shtf environment. At this time I would care less what is legal, but what is necessary for survival. !
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I'm talking survival scenarios here...
Currently, I just drive to the doctors or the hospital, what I am talking about is a requirement if there are no medical facilities. what you call a shtf environment. At this time I would care less what is legal, but what is necessary for survival. !
Clove oil has been used for thousands of years as a natural antiseptic and oral pain killer.

As far as suturing goes I'd use Super Glue for an out of the way emergency situation. Painless and it works.

You also might try getting your hands on 1 of those medical staplers. They are quick with minimal pain.
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Just so you have a source, the vet supply house that has shipped to me without any issues is here: http://www.shopmedvet.com/

They're actually having a sale on staple kits. Check 'em out.

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That goes understood, miles

If it's THAT bad that I gotta worry about sutures/other than superficial; I'd be mo worried about dieing from blood loss, losing a limb or peritonitis!
If yer able to effect repairs in *those* scenarios; yer better off hiring out as a surgeon than a gunslinger

AFA battle field wounds...slap a Carlyle bandage on it and holler "Corpsman!" Barring that; you're SOL
If it's run-of-the-mill Bug-out boo-boos; deal w/it from yer FA case. ANything that needs serious home-surgury is best left for the Medicos or SF-Med-trained Troopies!

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I have sutured a cut before, took three stiches. The reason I sutured it was that it was pretty deep. My topical anesthetic was ice. Might not be available in a SHTF scenerio, but I had it and made it work.

Now, why did I suture instead of go to ER or armed1?? I wanted the experience os stiching up a real wound, and I was the only volunteer!!

I had the site checked later by an ER Doc I knew, he suggested I add another overhand knot to my routine and called it a pretty damn good job! It healed great, and the Doc donated some extra suture kits to my stash!!

I could tell you some storys of very a lightly trained "Doc" having to perform emergency procedures in some bad conditions during the Bosnian war, but we will save them for another time.
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OK.....what is epi?

ya gonna make go look it up?
"Epi" is ephinephrine - a.k.a. adrenaline.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epinephrine

Its the stuff that is found in "epi" pens that people with allergies carry.

Whatever you do, do NOT get stabbed in the finger by an epi-pen.

Epi is a hard-core vasoconstrictor, and a shot to the finger from an epi-pen will cause every blood vessel in the finger to completely say fugk-it. You will probably lose that finger.

Medics carry epi in a more dilute solution to give to patients who may be in need of emergency vasoconstriction.

You don't want to mess with pharmaceutical epi unless you have serious training.
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Epi is epinephrine, and is a vasoconstrictor that is mixed with Lido to force the blood out of tissue that is being worked on to prevent blood loss and facilitate the procedure by preventing blood pooling where the work is being done. It is always clearly marked on vials containing it. It is often used in dental procedures as well as minor bedside surgery like debridement of pressure ulcers. Interesting to watch it work, inject a small amount into the flesh and it turns pale in a matter of minutes, indicating the evacuation of nearly all the blood in that area.

References above about using it on small appendages is something I have never heard nd will ask a doc or two about it tomorrow. Such tissue will survive about 8 hours without a blood supply, even after accidental amputation in the case of fingers and even weenies. Just ask John Bobbet. Ice is recommended in this case.

Lidocaine and Epi used to be used to treat severe cardiac arrythmias. Ever see the cardiac needle scene in Pulp Fiction? That would be Epi, injected directly into the heart to jump start it. That scene was completely bogus as Uma reacted to the injection like she was given a narcotic antagonnist and not a cardiac drug. She still would have been obtunded by the heroin.

Lido was used in cases where the heart was acting irritably, like cases of ventricular tachycardia. It numbed the heart's pacemakers and slowed the rate, if the code team (and patient) was lucky.

Interestingly there was a case where a young boy in his early teens was killed on an operating table because the two drugs were accidently mistaken for one another. They are antagonists in a cardiac sense, each doing the opposite of the other. IIRC, either the boy started to brady down and was given Lido under the understanding that it was Epi or he became tachy and was given Epi under the assumption that it was Lido.

In the case of field suturing and given a healthy patient, not enough Lido would be injected to cause cardiac problems. Then come sensitivities which alter the potential for serious problems.

You used to be able to buy (~45cc) bottles) of 15% benzocaine (Liquid Oragel). Maybe you still can. This pooled in a deep cut would probably anesthetize the area if given about 10 minutes or perhaps more. It is mostly alcohol and the cure may be worse than the injury at first but suturing is a prolonged process. This sort of use would minimize any systemic dispersement of the drug and, although it is clearly labelled "Not for internal use" should not cause any tissue death and probably can be considered sterile due to the alcohol content.

Given the intent of your original post I think that this may be your best option. It should not be interpreted as any form of medically acceptable advice but more along the lines of "last ditch" option. Personally, if I had a ten inch gash on my arm and was getting tired at around the 20th suture I might try it.

I have also had excellent results closing some wounds with super glue. Bear in mind that super glues are "Cyanoacrylics" with emphasis on the "Cyano.." as it is a cyanide derivitave. I do not believe there is any appreciable systemic uptake of cyanide when so used but that is only from my own experience.

Again, my first option would be large enough quantities of alcohol barring substantial blood loss or significant comorbidities to grossly obtund myself or my patient.

Another thing that hasn't been brought up is street narcotics. That is all I will say on that subject except that these can be deadly as well.
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You used to be able to buy (~45cc) bottles) of 15% benzocaine (Liquid Oragel). Maybe you still can. This pooled in a deep cut would probably anesthetize the area if given about 10 minutes or perhaps more. It is mostly alcohol and the cure may be worse than the injury at first but suturing is a prolonged process. This sort of use would minimize any systemic dispersement of the drug and, although it is clearly labelled "Not for internal use" should not cause any tissue death and probably can be considered sterile due to the alcohol content.
Actually, I do believe you can still get Orajel with the benzocaine, but I'd be a bit worried about side-effects of using it for anything but toothaches... The entry on drugs.com says it may cause methemoglobinemia even if used orally, so I'd be very careful about it...

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I have also had excellent results closing some wounds with super glue. Bear in mind that super glues are "Cyanoacrylics" with emphasis on the "Cyano.." as it is a cyanide derivitave. I do not believe there is any appreciable systemic uptake of cyanide when so used but that is only from my own experience.
Same. Most of my cuts and such I'll close with superglue because it's easier, cleaner, and doesn't fall off like a band-aid... And because I use a lot of it on R/C and static models, so it's always around and usually in far closer proximity than band-aids... Also, isn't the "liquid stitches" thing basically just CA glue anyway?

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Another thing that hasn't been brought up is street narcotics. That is all I will say on that subject except that these can be deadly as well.
I'd agree that it would probably be easier to find street narcotics than lab-grade pharmaceuticals in SHTF and would most likely be cheaper too... But as far as prepping goes, I wouldn't much like to have a balloon of heroin or cocaine in my BOB until rule of law is a thing of the (fairly distant) past... The whole "controlled substance" thing plus authorities, etc... Also, I wouldn't trust a few grams of ANY drug that had been sitting for a few years, as I am not very well-versed in the breakdown of these chemicals... And yes, expired meds CAN be fatal!

Now for my own pro-tip: If I can't stop bleeding with band-aid, superglue, or pressure and gauze, I'll reach for one of my many tourniquets (thanks, Army!) and try to find someone more medically-inclined than I... If it's worse than that, I dunno what to tell ya....... As for sutures, I think your best bet is the most sugar-free drinkable alcohol you can find (a good small bottle of Everclear could save your life in many more ways than one)... Administer a few ounces of the fluid orally, then administer a small amount to the wound topically to sterilize, then stitch or cauterize... If it's in a really sensitive area, you may want to carry a patch of leather so you can wrap a stick for your patient to bite down on...


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No codine in over the counter medicines. I have found if a person builds out a nice med kit, not a Walmart or CVS mix of bandaids and alcohol preps, make appointment with a doctor in which you have an ongoing relationship. If you actually have a nice kit, demonstrate knowledge to use it, they will write you a few scripts to help along with instructions. My eye kit goes to eye doctor every year. My dental kit goes to dentist. My injectibles go to a doctor I have seen for over 20 years. When he sees 10 percocets left in bottle from broken wrist three years ago realizes not abusing. He takes the way out of date pills and gives script for 30 and next year if still in kit, relationship continues. Same.with Lydocaine both with and without epi. If bottles mostly intact, he replaces when date.expires. After 20 years, my kits have never lacked for Torodol and Morphine. He sees that items on inventory list still intact or log entry as to when, where and why used. In 20 years only two doses of my top tier meds used and had pictures of victims laying either bleeding or bandaged and being transported. Getting a recognizeable and respected certification for emergency first aid and reason to carry jump kit helps.
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Lidoderm patches mentioned above went generic end of last year. Now called Lydocaine Patch 5%. Price drop was huge. With my insurance are $7.50 per box. Understand if willing to shop Internet and use some U.S.A., Canadian and other foreign mail order pharmacies under $50 per box. If you have prescription coverage get doctor to write script for two patches per day and will get two boxes in one prescription copay. I put one on back every day and two on bad days. End up archiving 9 to 10 boxes per year. Here is what they look like now. Some days the patch (s) are difference between taking narcotic pain meds or not.

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Being treated for severe tendenosis in left leg around areas affected by double compound fracture and then 17 different titanium pieces used to put leg back together was getting to point where pain was never ending and even the big green pill that takes away all pain could not keep up.

Doctor treating says the tendons locking up had affected the way I walk to point was adding to back pain and due to poor ergonomics of posture would need a knee replacement and hip replacement inside of 10 years. Claims most knee and hip replacements could be avoided if patient or doctor realized improper posture or ergonomics and corrected initial issue before joint wore out. After working on getting tendons to loosen up and aggressive manipulation of joints gave me a series of Marcaine injections in affected tendons. Was like someone removed the 100 yellow jackets that have been living in leg past year stinging me.

Before I left, bottle he used was over half empty and asked if I could have it to shoot tendons myself if went to hurting again before next visit in two weeks. He gladly gave it to me. This morning woke up sore from all the work he did yesterday and yellow jackets were back. Loaded up syringe and five injections later no pain in leg or ankle. Can't juice myself every day without causing more issues but when bad, this stuff lasts a lot longer than lidocaine. It's called Marcaine™*Bupivacaine Hydrochloride Injection, USP. Get some if you can.
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No codine in over the counter medicines. I have found if a person builds out a nice med kit, not a Walmart or CVS mix of bandaids and alcohol preps, make appointment with a doctor in which you have an ongoing relationship. If you actually have a nice kit, demonstrate knowledge to use it, they will write you a few scripts to help along with instructions. My eye kit goes to eye doctor every year. My dental kit goes to dentist. My injectibles go to a doctor I have seen for over 20 years. When he sees 10 percocets left in bottle from broken wrist three years ago realizes not abusing. He takes the way out of date pills and gives script for 30 and next year if still in kit, relationship continues. Same.with Lydocaine both with and without epi. If bottles mostly intact, he replaces when date.expires. After 20 years, my kits have never lacked for Torodol and Morphine. He sees that items on inventory list still intact or log entry as to when, where and why used. In 20 years only two doses of my top tier meds used and had pictures of victims laying either bleeding or bandaged and being transported. Getting a recognizeable and respected certification for emergency first aid and reason to carry jump kit helps.
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"Epi" is ephinephrine - a.k.a. adrenaline.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epinephrine

Its the stuff that is found in "epi" pens that people with allergies carry.

Whatever you do, do NOT get stabbed in the finger by an epi-pen.

Epi is a hard-core vasoconstrictor, and a shot to the finger from an epi-pen will cause every blood vessel in the finger to completely say fugk-it. You will probably lose that finger.

Medics carry epi in a more dilute solution to give to patients who may be in need of emergency vasoconstriction.

You don't want to mess with pharmaceutical epi unless you have serious training.
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Another thing that hasn't been brought up is street narcotics. That is all I will say on that subject except that these can be deadly as well.
Ergh.

If you don't know what its cut with... hello vascular embolism.
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Microemboli? BTDT w/ some dedicated IV users at the end. That's what happens when you use a hunk of wonderbread or dryer lint as a 2 micron filter.
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Ergh.

If you don't know what its cut with... hello vascular embolism.
Just like ammo, we all should have stocked up during the China White days. Only thing that would kill you about that stuff was the purity.
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Back in organic chem lab we worked with ether - anhydrous di-ethyl ether, pharmacutical grade. I'd be very reluctant to use it. Too easy to put the person under for good and it's highly flamable. Ether boils at 98F. You can pour it on a bench top and watch it evaporate. A small spark and kaboom.

As a side note, organic chem lab was a dangerous place. Many VERY toxic chemicals and volatile ones (like ether). Many students have died in chem labs cause they just didn't realize how dangerous some stuff is.
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As a side note, organic chem lab was a dangerous place. Many VERY toxic chemicals and volatile ones (like ether). Many students have died in chem labs cause they just didn't realize how dangerous some stuff is.
Can you elaborate on "many students have died"? Sure there are accidents, but death? I've heard the rare and unique case. Most anyone that's been in chem lab has heard about "Johnny" and his misadventures with H2SO4 and that's fiction...

I beg to differ that a chem lab is a dangerous place (though probably not your overall intention to say; first sentence), it's dangerous when people don't think or know what they are doing, or are supervised by someone who doesn't. No you don't heat volatile liquids with a bunsen burner (use an IR lamp), fume hoods are good, gloves don't do anything when you stick your gloved fingers in a mouth, eye, nose, etc (see that one often ) ...


On the subject of superglue for "closing wounds"... I've never done it. Don't plan or hope to. But does the superglue irritate things or no? I ask as I was using superglue (Meijer brand) in the proper manner, and my eyes started watering uncontrollably and my nose running. Never had that before. Just a guess, but I wonder if they now put irritants into it so you don't sniff it (and I had an overabundance of irritant in mine)???
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On the subject of superglue for "closing wounds"... I've never done it. Don't plan or hope to. But does the superglue irritate things or no? I ask as I was using superglue (Meijer brand) in the proper manner, and my eyes started watering uncontrollably and my nose running. Never had that before. Just a guess, but I wonder if they now put irritants into it so you don't sniff it (and I had an overabundance of irritant in mine)???
I've used super glue on fairly deep paper cuts. I have some in the medical kit.

This was on the Krazy Glue site, in the FAQ's:



"Cyanoacrylate proved valuable to military surgeons during the Vietnam War. Under battlefield conditions, they could use the material to close wounds and stop bleeding. Today, specific formulations of cyanoacrylate have been developed for medical use. Instant Krazy Glue® products should not be used for wound care."


http://www.lifepassages.net/SuperGlue.html
Apparently it's used by midwives.


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The original Eastman formula was not FDA approved for medical use, however, because of a tendency to cause skin irritation and to generate heat. In 1998 the FDA approved 2-octyl cyanoacrylate for use in closing wounds and surgical incisions. Closure Medical have developed medical cyanoacrylates such as Dermabond, Soothe-N-Seal and Band-Aid Liquid Adhesive Bandage.
I've used the Band-Aid Liquid Adhesive Bandage with some success.
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a while ago patched a ladies ripped nipple with butterfly tape and super glue healed perfect. use super glue a lot for cold weather splits. guess I've been lucky so far. But I do lousy stitchs. Been using butterflys for years. If its too bad for butterflys you need a doctor.
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a while ago patched a ladies ripped nipple...
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a while ago patched a ladies ripped nipple with butterfly tape and super glue healed perfect. use super glue a lot for cold weather splits. guess I've been lucky so far. But I do lousy stitchs. Been using butterflys for years. If its too bad for butterflys you need a doctor.
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Doing rapid exit and caught her nipple ring.
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UHHHH, they still ARE. Use them on my crash cart regularly, or irregularly -- which ever way you look at it...
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Doing rapid exit and caught her nipple ring.
Ouch!! And I thought my paper cut hurt.
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Doing rapid exit and caught her nipple ring.
rapid exit of what?

there is more to this...
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in may of 06 i had to go to to er ..as i needed 8 stiches on my pepee....right where the reg skin ends and the membrian skin begines ..lydicaine was used ..and this marines luck would have it i was sown up by a an ol navy doc ....works fine ..the best bart was when i went to family doc .. he had a young female intern remove the stiches..and she had to ask all the prerec qustions ..like does it still work ..she was asking me as her face was about 3 inches away from my member.....note dont drinl and ride an atv with a wal-wart gun rack on the front rack ..it was a good thing a medic on the local squad was there with us that day and it was just skin that was damaged ..just missed all the big blood vessals ....but cabelas sells a nice body staple kit and coag as well ..its a good buy for about $40 for both ..now as iv worked in machine shops super glue works pretty good for fingers and things along with a rather judiguse amount of tape ..now i just saw for sale in my local pharmacy real strie-strips ..but i like useing super glue because it helps keep dirt out of cut real good ..when i worked as a prep cook at william patterson army hospital on ft monmouth as summer help ...small cuts where treated with lemone or lime juise ..but ill say the best would the body staples ..each one is just a click and if you have no pain killer a fast klick is better then tring to put a sowing needle and thru 2 side of flesh..fast and easy ..that and a few maxi pads and an ace bandage go real far
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Am i the only one here that knows that Super Glue was designed by the military as a non-toxic automatic field suture? I have used this method several times and ALWAYS had a decent outcome. Sure if your not careful you might glue a part of your body to another part but aside from that is pretty safe and with time will fall off/go away on its own. i had a cut on a finger that went into a nerve and to the bone and used the Super Glue to suture it and found it worked well and i did not need an anesthetic or needles or thread err stitching material and was quick and easy. Simply close wounded area , apply Super Glue to dry skin let bond and leave a small corner open for which it can breath and seep out. Also i might add that it wont really heal like stitches seem to (small lump up on skin for a few years where it unevenly healed for me) but then again we are talking SHTF right???

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Once on a solo camping trip I cut a finger real good while cleaning a fish. Didn't feel like packing out early so looked around my stuff and didn't find any crazy glue. so I broke the barb off the smallest fishhook I had, tied a length of light leader to it, and gave myelf a couple stitches. Wished I'd had some crazyglue. Now it's in all my 1st aid kits. For SHTF anything that'll get the area damn good and cold will help cut the pain down.
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Go read up on local anaesthetics.

There are two classes, amides, and esters.

The ester based gorup more often causes allergic or anaphaylactic reactions.

Xylocaine/lidocaine is an amide group, and sees a very small percentage of negative/fatal reactions.

I have an ester-based hypersensitivity, and almost ought the farm using an OTC throat losenge containing benzocaine.

If you are looking into something to stock, go with lidocaine and products containing it.
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Would anyone know of a effective anesthetic that is readily available over the internet ?
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I guess the answer to your question is no, there aren't any effective anesthetics available over the counter except topicals. Even if you gain access to real anesthetics, I strongly advise that you do not attempt to practice medicine on your own. Anesthesiology is a highly complex medical specialty that requires years of specific training in physiology and pharmacology, as well as airway management and intensive care. DO not use ether or chloroform as they are highly potent and highly explosive. Anesthetics suppress protective reflexes such as coughing. They cause muscle relaxation including airway muscles and can lead to asphyxiaxion. They suppress the heart and cause vasodilation leading to low blood pressure and possible heart attack and stroke if used improperly.

DO NOT DO THIS ON YOUR OWN. YOU WILL DIE OR KILL SOMEONE ELSE.

This is not a time for WECSOA (Wile E Coyote shool of anesthesia).

Find a professional or bite a bullet.
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