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Old March 20, 2020, 14:52   #951
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I understand the math of exponential growth. I am studying Italy - go back and read my other posts. I stand by everything I wrote. Read this:

https://sg.news.yahoo.com/italys-vir...200228276.html

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Italy's death rate of 8.6 percent among those registered with infections is significantly higher than in most other countries.

Medical experts attribute this to Italy's average age of 45.4 -- seven years higher than in China.

The overwhelming majority of Italy's fatal cases involved elderly people with at least one pre-existing condition.

The National Health Institute (ISS) said Friday that the average age of Italy first 3,200 victims was 78.5.

Almost 49 percent of them had three or more pre-existing conditions.

Just 1.2 percent of those who died had no other ailments.




And for what it is worth, I work in Seattle, take public transportation to work, flew out of SEATAC the last week of February and in the first week of March. 9 days ago I started getting sick with every sign of the Chicom Flu, including the now accepted GI tract issues. After an uncomfortable Sunday and Monday, I am 90% recovered and feeling better everyday. No, I did not get tested and would not because there are at risk people who need it. I stayed home and took my vitamins and rested.
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Old March 20, 2020, 16:47   #952
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The f***ing incompetence of the collective.gov in this country amazes me.

If you are going to literally cut off peoples ability to work and create the cashflow necessary to service their debt, then it only makes sense that you must simultaneously put a moratorium on ALL debt service required from those in the affected businesses.

40% of households in this country don't have $400 reserve to draw on in emergencies.

The .gov is supposedly going to send out checks some weeks from now, but they are going to base eligibility on 2018 adjusted income. Are they f***ing stupid?

What if someone is making much less now than in 2018?

What if someone is making more than in 2018?

If they want to send checks they should just do it and sort it out later with clawbacks from those that don't need it.

I'm not one who needs the money. But the imposition of shelter in place and mandatory business shutdowns is gonna put a nail in the coffin of the service economy in this country(70%).

F***ING MORONS!!!!!!!

THIS IS THE RESET
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Old March 20, 2020, 16:51   #953
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What you are seeing is a massive society evolution, things are changing forever. Look months down the road and you can see how this plays out. Huge changes taking place right now.
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Old March 20, 2020, 18:05   #954
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Old March 20, 2020, 19:16   #955
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Folks seem to think, including many here, in such a binary fashion about this. I am seeing "it's the end of the world, we are all going to die" or "this is nothing, don't worry about it". The reality is, this is going to be somewhere in the middle. Some of us will die, we all will die of something someday. The cost is going to be enormous to care for those that fall ill. There will be hard decisions made by healthcare workers as to who lives and who dies as our resources are overtaxed. It's not the apocalypse, it's not the Black Death. It is however, a very serious concern and we will lose front line medical people to this, and the front line medical people know this and are going to work anyway.

We shouldn't panic, we shouldn't assume that this is life as normal or just another bad cold either...We can't stop living but we sure as hell can take some precautions. And if you are smart, stay the hell out of the ERs unless it is life or limb...those are the hot zone right now.

BTW, another of the patients I mentioned in my last post died this morning. They did send a test off after she passed. They are taking about 4 days to get back.
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Old March 20, 2020, 20:06   #956
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Do some research on italy.

1. It's not about the numbers. Read up on how exponential growth works and you will understand it's about the POTENTIAL. (Seriously, go look it up.)

2. looking at say: Italy vs S.Korea is interesting.
There's a HUGE dispairity. (And Italy has one of the best medical systems in the world.) Also, my point which you are brushing off (despite the link to the CDC'S report) is that its NOT "just old people"

My PERSONAL OPINION is because (again, just my unsupported opinion) S. Korea for the S strain and Italy the much more lethal L strain.

Look into china, they tried to do a restart and failed. Don't know if it's because they lied all along or they are dealing with round 2.

The sky is not falling, this is NOT TEOTWAWKI.
What people dont realize is that the last 60+ years are a historical anomaly and that this is NORMAL 1x or more every generation (start at 1918 and work backwards)

Isolation has been humanity's weapon for thousands of years.
Then we will emerge, pick up the pieces, and get on with our lives.
Maybe a closer look will tell you why Italy suffers so much.


"The city is now home to the largest concentration of Chinese in Europe; some legal, many more not. Here in the heart of Tuscany, Chinese laborers work round the clock in some 3,200 businesses making low-end clothes, shoes and accessories, often with materials imported from China, for sale at midprice and low-end retailers worldwide.

The trend continued as whole villages in Italy became Chinese villages, with the Chinese displacing the Italians who lived there, creating their own neighborhoods, and pushing out decades of Italian family owned business. They weren’t known for following the rules. It caused much local consternation; the Italians were forced to pay their taxes and follow the employment guidelines, while the Chinese seemed to have built flourishing enterprises by skirting the rules, treating their people poorly, and engaging in rich human smuggling operations, to boot. There was little accountability for the Chinese, and much for the native Italians.

Outside of the typical problems one would see with such an influx of immigrants from a far-off land, were also other, more scandalous ones.

In 2017, the Bank of China agreed to pay a 600,000 euro fine to settle a money laundering case involving its Milan branch, court documents showed. The Florence court hearing the case gave four employees of the Milan branch of China’s fourth biggest bank a suspended two-year prison sentence for failing to report illicit money transfers. Florence prosecutors leading the so-called “River of Money” investigation alleged that more than 4.5 billion euros ($4.78 billion) was smuggled to China from Italy between 2006 and 2010 by Chinese people living mainly in Florence and nearby Prato. About half of the money was sent via BOC, the prosecutors said. The court also ordered BOC to pay back 980,000 euros which it said it had earned through the illegal operations. According to the prosecutors, the proceeds sent to China came from a series of illegal activities, including counterfeiting, embezzlement, exploitation of illegal labour and tax evasion. Bank of China said in a statement it had not committed any crime and was not admitting guilt by agreeing to pay the fine, which was a way of closing the case and saving time.

The wheel of corruption kept spinning, and the Italian people became more and more angry. Sometimes, this led to violence. It also led to a nationwide sentiment that something needed to change, and the populist uprising we have been seeing across the globe also began to take a foothold in Italy."



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Well the current pandemic seems a bit of a damp squib! Whats the backdraft here I wonder?
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The Don is gonna need to put on another teflon layer.
Have to admit, I was wondering why there were no intelligence reports to this point, guess they keep that stuff under wraps...

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Old March 20, 2020, 22:08   #959
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Well the current pandemic seems a bit of a damp squib! Whats the backdraft here I wonder?
Nothing to wonder about. We have a two to three week pause to protect American work force just in case as we have best economy since WW2. After this more industry will fire up on our soil and will need as many workers as possible so we conserve all we can. Trump has been at odds with China since his campaign and now he hangs this entire deal around their neck. Before we end up in a war with them and they hold back half the goods we need to fight and survive now most manufacturing of medicines, medical equipment and critical infrastructure items is brought home under post covid-19 legislation. Honeywell was in the process of moving their N95 filter plant to Mexico which now has gone back into production and to move it would be political suicide for them now.

Trump has the Dems who march to the orders of the Chinese shell corporations that fund their campaigns now passing non partisan legislation for the first time. Dems will have to go with the legislation to bring medical and infrastructure manufacturing home. For the first time he has the press on the run. From having press removed from briefings to calling media companies and reporters by name as liars for the first time he has the liberal press in a defensive posture and he is twisting the knife. He is preparing the country for his next term to be on his terms.

He will keep the Senate, gain back some House seats then get moving forward with his agenda of protecting the borders for public health now as well as national security. He will get his wall to protect us and the Dems will have to sit some partisan politics aside. Chinese Flu, Chinese Flu. China lied and people died, this is a wet dream for his presidency. I don't mind a two to three week pause. Maybe some will learn nothing is for sure and keep three days food and a couple grand in savings. If they don't then they missed a good chance to learn. Many will become peppers then slowly use up their preps as this event gets farther away but some won't.
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This is why healthcare in this country is screwed.

CDC started by saying this is airborne, N95 or PAPR hood required for contact. When they looked at the supply chain and what was available for PPE they said "oh wait, we were wrong, droplet precaution is all you need, paper mask and gown and you are good to go. Most of the healthcare workers I know say they can feel the tires of the bus running over them.....
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They have a cure for the Covid-19 virus. Z pack 500mg, vitamin c 1000 mg, zincate 220 mg, plaquenil 200 mg, plaquenil 400 mg all per day for I something like 10 days. Should see virus clear in six days. This came from a doc in NJ.

https://twitter.com/BioBreakout
Same information I got. If get covid-19 will still not be fun but a Z Pack will knock it down to manageable in healthy adults along wits fluids and other standard flu treatment protocol at home. He said if get flu go get screened to know which strain, it helps government track infection, patients and allocation of resources. Without a test primary care doctors may not write scripts for anyone to keep non sick hoarders from stashing it back.

Was given enough to treat several people yesterday from a private doctors personal stash has kept which is marked "samples, not for retail sale" so did not drain the pharmacy of medicine some sick person many need. His office is closed as a non essential practice for two weeks so could not distribute to patients anyway and made similar drops to other friends with extended families. This will be for my extended family as mom and brother are higher risk than I so need to keep their households healthy as possible.
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maybe I already posted this, but if so here it is again. The best statistic aggregator I have found for the Chinese Flu:

https://corona.help/


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Without a test primary care doctors may not write scripts for anyone to keep non sick hoarders from stashing it back.

Was given enough to treat several people yesterday from a private doctors personal stash has kept which is marked "samples, not for retail sale" so did not drain the pharmacy of medicine some sick person many need. His office is closed as a non essential practice for two weeks so could not distribute to patients anyway and made similar drops to other friends with extended families. This will be for my extended family as mom and brother are higher risk than I so need to keep their households healthy as possible.

Careful with the use of the word hoarder. It has negative connotations.

I'm calling bullshit on you on this one Huey. Contradictory ethics.
If you are going to use the word hoarder, then accept that the act of receiving critical meds not currently needed by you during a crisis makes YOU a hoarder.

Read your own words on the first line of the quote above.

All the other stuff you had before there were critical shortages does not make you a hoarder.

Taking Azithromycin without the Chloroquine will probably do nothing against this virus anyway.
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A train full of military vehicles filmed about 11 hours ago in Chicago. Supposed to be headed to the east coast.
https://youtu.be/MsaJySh90jc
None-armored Humvees, probably headed to DRMO sales.

Nice touch with the uber-dramatic music tho.
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None-armored Humvees, probably headed to DRMO sales.

Nice touch with the uber-dramatic music tho.
Yep!

No ambulances,,,trucks/HV's looked empty,,if they were to be used by GI's,,,things would have been packed to the gills with personal gear,,,cases of MRE's,,shit tied to them on every surface.

Agree nice music,,,all that clip needed was Stephen King beside the road way with a bolt action rifle standing guard outside Denver in the snow.
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Check out the DOD article at 4:13. Interesting bit of information.
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The more information I see on this and the longer this goes on the more I am convinced this is a global economic reset.. designed to get the sheep to blame the virus instead of the Marxist criminal politicians responsible and force you to accept their NWO form of currency and government that comes out of this.

This “crisis “ is designed to illustrate and exploit the failures of capitalism and destroy our economy... you people with a lot of money in the bank and real estate might come out of this being on par with a homeless meth addict.... I am not talking about Trump or US senators of course.. their net worths will likely increase

People will be begging them to just make the suffering go away
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There's this.. the wet dream the .gov has been waiting for:

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/0...-powers-140023

Most likely a done deal to end it all as we have known it.
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Careful with the use of the word hoarder. It has negative connotations.

I'm calling bullshit on you on this one Huey. Contradictory ethics.
If you are going to use the word hoarder, then accept that the act of receiving critical meds not currently needed by you during a crisis makes YOU a hoarder.

Read your own words on the first line of the quote above.

All the other stuff you had before there were critical shortages does not make you a hoarder.

Taking Azithromycin without the Chloroquine will probably do nothing against this virus anyway.
Doctor who gave it to me said local hospital won't accept it from outside of thier supply line as he offered it to them first. Decided before he left for his mountain home in rural Western NC that he would share with a few friends, some of which were doctors that have not closed practices. Had no idea he was going to leave it on my front porch swing which is where we are staging trades and gifts. He asked if I had any spare N95 masks, AR 15 mags and ammo. Ended up leaving him six masks and several new from wrapper 30 round mags and enough ammo to help him.

I use one of the last privately owned large local pharmacies which has three locations owned by personal friends I shoot and trade guns with. Called and asked them what their Z Pack inventory was and said down to last two boxes and did they want me to package them up for me as had scripts for both wife and I in system. Said no, had extra and could they use some. they said could not legally even take back boxes they dispensed to me less than a month ago much less the "Sample Boxes". Doc could not give to hospital and I could not give to pharmacy and if really a hoarder would have picked up their last two packs as my price per pack is $3 per unit.

What would make you think I don't have Chloroquine? After decades of climbing and trekking in Equador, Bolivia, Peru and Columbia along with the occasional jaunt into remote areas of Mexico for rock climbing I have a lot of medications. Also when a recent relative of the wife's died of complications due to long battle with Lupus there was an unopened bottle of name brand Aralen (chloroquine) in her last delivery from her pharmacy so even have an in date bottle as didn't see the sense in tossing it in the trash.
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Doctor who gave it to me said local hospital won't accept it from outside of thier supply line as he offered it to them first. Decided before he left for his mountain home in rural Western NC that he would share with a few friends, some of which were doctors that have not closed practices. Had no idea he was going to leave it on my front porch swing which is where we are staging trades and gifts. He asked if I had any spare N95 masks, AR 15 mags and ammo. Ended up leaving him six masks and several new from wrapper 30 round mags and enough ammo to help him.

I use one of the last privately owned large local pharmacies which has three locations owned by personal friends I shoot and trade guns with. Called and asked them what their Z Pack inventory was and said down to last two boxes and did they want me to package them up for me as had scripts for both wife and I in system. Said no, had extra and could they use some. they said could not legally even take back boxes they dispensed to me less than a month ago much less the "Sample Boxes". Doc could not give to hospital and I could not give to pharmacy and if really a hoarder would have picked up their last two packs as my price per pack is $3 per unit.

What would make you think I don't have Chloroquine? After decades of climbing and trekking in Equador, Bolivia, Peru and Columbia along with the occasional jaunt into remote areas of Mexico for rock climbing I have a lot of medications. Also when a recent relative of the wife's died of complications due to long battle with Lupus there was an unopened bottle of name brand Aralen (chloroquine) in her last delivery from her pharmacy so even have an in date bottle as didn't see the sense in tossing it in the trash.
Well, there you have it, the rest of the story.
If you had written that explanation in the first place, I wouldn't have even bothered to read it.
I'll just write this one off as your mistake for writing the post to make it appear that you were doing exactly what you were criticizing.
Good luck to you and yours.
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Also you do not need chloroquine with a Z Pack for covid-19 in otherwise hearty patients if seek treatment early. Its being reserved for the people with other issues and complications in most areas due to low inventories. Remember I am working (still at 7:00 pm) to get as much done as possible in case a mandatory shut down of "non essential industries" is ordered so posting my normal walls of test is difficult. Odd how when I am brief get picked apart but if detailed then am posting a wall of text. Damned if you do and damned if you don't, eh? Every job I can invoice is another day I pay the overhead of a typical American small business.

All smart @$$ remarks are tongue in cheek and not meant to be personal.
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https://www.politico.com/news/2020/0...-powers-140023

Most likely a done deal to end it all as we have known it.
The militias should be forming right now.
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Also you do not need chloroquine with a Z Pack for covid-19 in otherwise hearty patients if seek treatment early. Its being reserved for the people with other issues and complications in most areas due to low inventories. Remember I am working (still at 7:00 pm) to get as much done as possible in case a mandatory shut down of "non essential industries" is ordered so posting my normal walls of test is difficult. Odd how when I am brief get picked apart but if detailed then am posting a wall of text. Damned if you do and damned if you don't, eh? Every job I can invoice is another day I pay the overhead of a typical American small business.

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Did not have time to get to my normal contractor supply house before they closed yesterday (7:00 am to 3:30 pm last load ticket written) so called in an order for a dozen 4"×4"×10' and six 4"×4"×12' posts to Lowe's commercial desk yesterday for pickup today. Pay over phone and just roll up to door then clerk calls for loaders to put on truck, don't have to fool around in store. Arrived just about lunchtime and parking lot was packed. People were swarming the garden center, had to wait on loaders as had retail clients waiting for them to load three BBQ grills so decided to put on one of the Israeli masks loaded up on when Yellowhand posted the link and pair of my cheap latex gloves rather than nitrol rubber just to slip in and grab a 20 count pack of lithium AAs and 20 pack of lithium AAAs.

Store had a recording on loop reminding customers for safety of employees and themselves to keep a minimum space of six feet, do not congregate and to get in and out fast as possible. I was stunned to see so many in retail lines they were so close almost touching, especially Mexicans. There was an elderly woman wandering aimlessly pulling a cart with her oxygen tank, little kids, old and even people coughing/sneezing while telling others it is just spring allergies. It was total mayhem so bolted back to contractor sales area and watched from just outside of door while waited to be loaded.

Walmart was double slammed as was the Asian Nail & Pedicure shop. Could not believe they were open much less women willing to go in but we're slammed. People were leaving both Lowe's and Walmart with nothing which tells me were just there to wander out of boredom. Why go out in public to crowded store with no agenda. Got back to work and unloading poles when old friend of 30 plus years showed up and did not understand why I would not unlock doors to let him in. Told him not letting my help in or even my own mother. Taking every step possible to isolate but keep working. He told me on phone had shoulder surgery last week, saw arm in sling over my security cameras and had been at outdoor shop at gap of Blood Mountain on Appilachian Trail all day as its first store A.T. thru hikers hit after starting at Amicalola Falls. So he interacted with people from all around country/world, mostly hippie hikers, ate lunch in Helen then came to visit me?

People are crazy. At least try, I was only person in Lowe's with mask and gloves and folks looked at me like was a space alien. It was every age from Millinials and their kids from toddlers to teens, housewives, men looking at tools and old people buying flowers for yard. I can see going out for essential supplies or even project stuff but would show some care. People browsing just for sake of filling their addiction to shopping and running over each other and if this gets bad in our area hope governor steps in and forces these people to stay home. Every drive thru restaurant had lines and lots of mom and pop restaurants were sitting customers against order to close all public dining spaces.

I almost expect it to go full NYC, Los Angeles covid-19 in the north metro Atlanta area as people are not self isolating. Almost hope half or more of them get sick enough to want to die feel so bad. Only thing is all the people they will infect that were trying to do the right thing. Absolutely freaking maddening and see why government may have to declare martial law as people are idiots. Handicapped old sick people had every handicap spot at Lowe's and Walmart full as more circled waiting for a handicap spot to open. Watched a second and third elderly person with oxygen tanks going in or out as drove past Walmart entrances just to see how bad the carnival actually was. Even immune compromised people out and about.

Makes me almost want to text my pharmacist and tell him to put back his last two Z Packs for me as said would be in pharmacy with doors locked tomorrow filling scripts to be picked up Mon day and to hell with everyone else even though we have at least twenty Z Packs in house currently. If people are so dumb to act like nothing is happening do they deserve to have medicine when they get sick? They could have been securing those two Z Packs instead of out risking getting sick for no reason but bored.
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Zpacks are the same as bird Zithro right? I can't believe this virus would be phased by such a thing. That's what doctors prescribe to get hypochondriacs out of the office.
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https://www.politico.com/news/2020/0...-powers-140023

Most likely a done deal to end it all as we have known it.
It's called H.R 5717

https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/...16hr5717ih.pdf
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Politico is a leftist news source so of course they like this. My worry about 5717 is it will get stuck on the corona bill being fast tracked.
Now for some numbers; Zero is right leaning but this article has some GREAT factual numbers. As the article says this is more than a seasonal flu but less than a real pandemic ( Spanish flu type). But the numbers don't justify the response.
https://www.zerohedge.com/health/cov...-over-hysteria
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I am glad to know that I can still do trend analysis from data because this is exactly what my research is telling me. This is an extremely important read and I urge you to do so and send it around. This fellow knows what he is talking about.

Why this Nobel laureate predicts a quicker coronavirus recovery: 'We're going to be fine'

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What do you think guys, is the country going to fully crash?
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On the the edge right now economically. Next 10 days will tell. There is no amount of money that can rescue small business at if it goes on for 2 months. The average small business is about a week away from bankruptcy at any given point in time. Can't be rescued over and over if the doors don't open.
Secondly the .gov going over the edge with new rules/laws, that will not be rolled back.
A Pandemic Patriot Act ready to be rolled out in a couple weeks my guess.
So yes, a failed country if the Constitution is put on hold.
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By all indications it's starting to appear that way but I'm hoping we can pull together to avoid that.
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Bravo to you Mike!

I work at one of the largest hospitals in Portland. Our national public health system is woefully inadequate and Oregon's in particular is a drastically understaffed and underfunded mess that has been left to the devices of private hospitals who's priority is profit.

Oregon has the lowest number of hospital beds percapita of ANY state in the country bar none!

There can't be another state in the country who has done LESS COVID19 tests than Oregon.

So the state finally contracted with Quest Diagnostics for 20 thousand COVID19 tests. Now we find out that Oregon's public health system lacks the swabs and basic supplies to even collect the tests! So that really means ZERO tests from Quest until Oregon can get hold of basic supplies.

But the liberals who own the statehouse with their super-majority found time to spend almost the entire legislative session pushing cap and trade legislation,......Knowing full well how many massive coal fired power plants the Chinese are building and have contracted to build throughout the developing world. If Kate Brown really wanted to make a difference on climate change she could start by using her diplomatic voice to talk to the Chinese Communist Party verses damaging 26 mostly rural counties with her Executive Order for cap and trade.

Here's an article form the U.K.'s Guardian news: https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...tay-home-order

Although I hope I'm incorrect, I believe Oregon hospitals are about three weeks from being overwhelmed by critically I'll patients.

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CDC started by saying this is airborne, N95 or PAPR hood required for contact. When they looked at the supply chain and what was available for PPE they said "oh wait, we were wrong, droplet precaution is all you need, paper mask and gown and you are good to go. Most of the healthcare workers I know say they can feel the tires of the bus running over them.....
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Nope!

Open for business by next week.

Dow 29,000 by late July.
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Bravo to you Mike!

I work at one of the largest hospitals in Portland. Our national public health system is woefully inadequate and Oregon's in particular is a drastically understaffed and underfunded mess that has been left to the devices of private hospitals who's priority is profit.

Oregon has the lowest number of hospital beds percapita of ANY state in the country bar none!

There can't be another state in the country who has done LESS COVID19 tests than Oregon.

So the state finally contracted with Quest Diagnostics for 20 thousand COVID19 tests. Now we find out that Oregon's public health system lacks the swabs and basic supplies to even collect the tests! So that really means ZERO tests from Quest until Oregon can get hold of basic supplies.

But the liberals who own the statehouse with their super-majority found time to spend almost the entire legislative session pushing cap and trade legislation,......Knowing full well how many massive coal fired power plants the Chinese are building and have contracted to build throughout the developing world. If Kate Brown really wanted to make a difference on climate change she could start by using her diplomatic voice to talk to the Chinese Communist Party verses damaging 26 mostly rural counties with her Executive Order for cap and trade.

Here's an article form the U.K.'s Guardian news: https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...tay-home-order

Although I hope I'm incorrect, I believe Oregon hospitals are about three weeks from being overwhelmed by critically I'll patients.

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Thanks FAL, it's getting interesting here for sure. Quest is our contracted lab. They are looking at using already tested flu swabs to re purpose for COVID testing. Admin is saying we have about 2 weeks of PPE on hand, no resupply in sight and we are at the end of the supply chain. An email came out from my company today (we are contracted security) we are forbidden from bringing our own PPE and only allowed to "suit up" at the expressed direction of the hospital staff. Anyone that violates this will be canned, no further warnings. I guess we are expendable. Was talking with one of the ER docs today he said "this is going to peak in June". Looking like this is going to be a looong spring. A bunch of Blackhawks landed in Medford today per my son. He said the crews were packing minimal firepower but they landed, put covers on the choppers and left.....looks like they are going to at least spend the night. Makings showed 7th infantry from JBLM. I hope they are just passing through.

My company just sent us travel papers today to show law enforcement for safe passage to and from work. Who'd-a-thunk that papers would be required to get to and from work in the US?

I know of 2 tests that have been administered here. One I have no clue why, he wasn't that sick, the other was respiratory arrest from an unknown cause but patient presented with fever and shortness of breath, test was sent after she died on Wednesday but results haven't returned yet (my wife was her nurse in the ED). We have had 5 severe respiratory cases through the ER in the last week and only 2 of them are still breathing.

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I just hope that you misunderstood when you heard that they are looking at using already tested Flu swabs,.....Maybe they'll gas or autoclave them first?

It's like a third world country called Oregaina,....

And if I understood you correctly you're unable to use your own PPE,...What, for fear of alarming the public?

The Guardian article I attached is interesting in that it makes available some stats that I have not seen in local media outlets.

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Thanks FAL, it's getting interesting here for sure. Quest is our contracted lab. They are looking at using already tested flu swabs to re purpose for COVID testing. Admin is saying we have about 2 weeks of PPE on hand, no resupply in sight and we are at the end of the supply chain. An email came out from my company today (we are contracted security) we are forbidden from bringing our own PPE and only allowed to "suit up" at the expressed direction of the hospital staff. Anyone that violates this will be canned, no further warnings. I guess we are expendable. Was talking with one of the ER docs today he said "this is going to peak in June". Looking like this is going to be a looong spring. A bunch of Blackhawks landed in Medford today per my son. He said the crews were packing minimal firepower but they landed, put covers on the choppers and left.....looks like they are going to at least spend the night. Makings showed 7th infantry from JBLM. I hope they are just passing through.

My company just sent us travel papers today to show law enforcement for safe passage to and from work. Who'd-a-thunk that papers would be required to get to and from work in the US?

I know of 2 tests that have been administered here. One I have no clue why, he wasn't that sick, the other was respiratory arrest from an unknown cause but patient presented with fever and shortness of breath, test was sent after she died on Wednesday but results haven't returned yet (my wife was her nurse in the ED). We have had 5 severe respiratory cases through the ER in the last week and only 2 of them are still breathing.

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I just hope that you misunderstood when you heard that they are looking at using already tested Flu swabs,.....Maybe they'll gas or autoclave them first?

It's like a third world country called Oregaina,....

And if I understood you correctly you're unable to use your own PPE,...What, for fear of alarming the public?

The Guardian article I attached is interesting in that it makes available some stats that I have not seen in local media outlets.

You stay safe too brother,...
It was forwarding the already tested flu swabs to R/O CV on the same patient. Should have worded that better. We are looking at ditch medicine here if it blows up like they think it might....

Yep, that was one thing that was mentioned was public alarm if we use our own PPE...it was a definite WTF moment...don't protect yourself even if you can because someone might get scared.
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It was forwarding the already tested flu swabs to R/O CV on the same patient. Should have worded that better. We are looking at ditch medicine here if it blows up like they think it might....

Yep, that was one thing that was mentioned was public alarm if we use our own PPE...it was a definite WTF moment...don't protect yourself even if you can because someone might get scared.
By nearly all reports,,from several sources/countries,,,this stuff is working and working well.

https://gellerreport.com/2020/03/chl...onavirus.html/

Being tried large scale in NY,,Cali, WA state starting tomorrow..

Izzys make this stuff and shipped over several million tabs a couple days ago to USA,,factory is cranking there 24/7 now.
So,,,no China made stuff.

Hang in there Mike..........
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Open for business by next week.

Dow 29,000 by late July.
Yep. This is not the time to be buying ammo; let the suckers support CTD. This is the time to be buying stocks
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This is interesting. 21,000,000 cell phone users missing? Must be a misprint.

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(Trim) An email came out from my company today (we are contracted security) we are forbidden from bringing our own PPE and only allowed to "suit up" at the expressed direction of the hospital staff. Anyone that violates this will be canned, no further warnings. I guess we are expendable.

Was talking with one of the ER docs today he said "this is going to peak in June". Looking like this is going to be a looong spring. A bunch of Blackhawks landed in Medford today per my son. He said the crews were packing minimal firepower but they landed, put covers on the choppers and left.....looks like they are going to at least spend the night. Makings showed 7th infantry from JBLM. I hope they are just passing through.

My company just sent us travel papers today to show law enforcement for safe passage to and from work. Who'd-a-thunk that papers would be required to get to and from work in the US?

I know of 2 tests that have been administered here. One I have no clue why, he wasn't that sick, the other was respiratory arrest from an unknown cause but patient presented with fever and shortness of breath, test was sent after she died on Wednesday but results haven't returned yet (my wife was her nurse in the ED). We have had 5 severe respiratory cases through the ER in the last week and only 2 of them are still breathing.
Yes, contract security with no direct financial liability to the protected are expendable with regard to fiscal liability or health of the individual officer. Learned that in churches, worst was when the church had run security over a decade, was responsible for over a dozen armed men working in children's areas and three sanctuaries dropped the liability insurance policy on the security team and then "opted out" burying a document saying no concealed carry by anyone but post certified police officers allowed on campus and didn't tell us.

All is took was a stray shot during an active shooter or A.D. and the team was taking the legal and civil court hits as church disbanded us on paper without notifying us. Had I not had a good relationship with church secretary who was used to me requesting copies of documents all the time and doing background checks on any new staff member, volunteer, etc handing over all the documents the administrative and senior pastor were just "too busy" to pull and forward still may not know what they did.

Reason I keep active enough with local EMA/911, Regional Hospital System, GEMA and FEMA as a volunteer have I.D. badges for all along with key cards for many secure facility gates and doors. Discussed with RCH system their I.D. badge should give me passage without arrest in at least Region B. FEMA handler said unless Region 4 SMAT is activated (field hospitals) to not be too dependent on their card and just use it to go to an approved Official Emergency Station (my ham facility at work is an ARRL O.E.S.) unless I deploy on their behalf. GEMA card should also help anywhere in Georgia but do not want to flash I.D. cards of agencies not actively deployed with like its free.

I am only going from home to work and work doors locked with nobody but wife in the doors in past three weeks. I shut this place down ten days before the Feds issued their self isolate recommendation. House was locked down from visitors last week of January except for physician friends bringing personal equipment and team medical equipment through rear airlock after decontamination and placing in our isolation room. The single trip to grocery store to stock up on long term shelf storage almond milk and a few luxuries like Coca-Cola have been to grocery once since third week of January and all items were wiped down with hand wipes then placed in isolation room as covid-19 is supposed to die on cardboard in 12 to 19 hours, 24 to 36 hours on other surfaces.

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Ammo should have been purchased long before any demand began to spike. We gave our financial guy access to one of our money market accounts to make some additions to our portfolio by close of business Friday. Do not know what he bought but at lunch time looked like market was at least moving the correct direction. Buy low, sell high. Sell ammo if doing anything with it and buy stocks for sure if confident it will stabilize as did post Sandy Hook. I am loaning with promise to replace, not selling at moment.

Was able to prop up one LGS with a delivery that got them through the first weekends panic and till about lunch Tuesday after first weekend. Have supplied three individuals with spare magazines and ammo but released my oldest stocks of rimfire, 5.56 M193 ball, 7.62x51 ball and 9mm ball only. Otherwise am sitting on the hoard even with money to be made but rather hoard since some was bought in 1999 for the Y2K party.

Afraid Dems will try to attach a new ammo tax to one of these economic stimulus bills in manner of the solar tax credits and other legislation they have not been able to get traction with during Trump administration. Would not be surprised to see anything stuck in their "bipartisan" relief package. Funny how it was scheduled to pass with votes pre-counted on both sides till Pelosi flew in last minute from Californication (why was she not in Washington already with input on bill so able to pass quicker?) and told House and Senate Dems she wanted to add pork to it first but tell Americans Trump and Republicans were bailing out big business only when had $1,200 per adult and $500 per child.

Guess that didn't extend to illegal immigrants so she had to stop it. Wife and I wont starve but by end of week every paid order in system will be done as my clients sent all employees home as recommended just like I did. That said an extra $2,400 plus whatever amount they had earmarked for small businesses based on size and number of employees would be an immediate help. Not making enough to extract a paycheck or even cover overhead so will have to draw on savings to cover next months overhead.

Wife and I discussed sending each part timer a check that after taxes are taken out will give them $100 per week for last two weeks sat them at home. It will probably go in the mail Friday but won't happen again till have enough work back in the pipeline to put them on the clock without a "stimulus check". Following 2008 market crash we paid three workers their 40 hour check plus Christmas bonus every week till December 31st 2010. Many weeks sent them home at lunch on Thursday or end of day Thursday with their full check. We even paid them an extra two weeks paid vacation each year so we could take advantage of slow economy and cheap travel.

Told them November 1st of 2010 after over two years of full paychecks that January 1st 2011 we were having to go to hours paid for hours worked as pulled my savings to zero keeping them paid, not touching wives and took first dip into my retirement which knew was moving backwards. All three stayed, got their Christmas bonus, paid 40 through Jan 1st as paid holiday and first workday of 2011 one did not show up and another said he had a part time job and could only work when it was raining for me after 13 years of never missing an hours pay. Told him I needed him more on non rain days in field, not rain days sweeping the shop and he quit after a couple weeks.

It was first time since Dad opened the place in 1952 people had cut paid hours below 40 and I stopped getting any paychecks for year 2009 through 2013. Minute I cut them men had kept paid, given bonuses as deserved or had good years started bailing. The last man who had been with me eleven years lasted two months and was getting at least 30 hours a week after losing the others for a job that paid less because his wife was mad he stayed home one day a week. From an employers standpoint have learned employees can't live without their full check and once the good ones leave it takes years to find quality replacements and train them.

Dems are going to use this knowledge to leverage the stimulus bill for everything they can hide in it and their version will be over a thousand pages long by the time its passed with crap hidden in it. All of which they will blame on Trump as the crap they sneak in is found and brought to light. There are about six people on the planet that if ever walk inside of the range of whatever firearm I have at hand will become the victim of the oddest accidental discharge that ever happened. Oddly the majority are from California.

One decent thing happened today. This morning a number was given out for businesses and individuals that had extra medical supplies, N95 masks, Tyvek coveralls, gloves (don't understand Lowes has plenty on the shelf), etc. Called the number and told them had the extra Z Packs which when said were slightly out of date "patient samples" they did not want. When told them had an unopened bottle of Chloroquine from a recently passed relative with Lupus that was in date they told me where I could drop them off and they would be used. Waiting on text from my doctor friends on how much out of date Chloroquine I have from past trips to South America and if I should drop it off as they know better what hospital will do with it.

If I were in NYC would take it by one of the Presbyterian Hospital locations as know they would use it. May wait and see if it gets bad locally before I give it up and they decide to trash if we don't have a major outbreak in Mayberry. Got a call from wife's bone specialist today asking if I could be at his office in half hour to pick up a package and said yes. He said it would be in mailbox with her name on bag and had two months supply of her $2,000 per month bone medicine and two months of her second most expensive medicine. He didn't ask and not going to tell him but another doctor gave us two months of her bone meds last week.

That's $8,000 worth of Tymlos plus I was given two months supply of Forteo to help keep my spine strong which is $3,000 per pen and take when back is giving me fits or in a cycle of steroid injections that help the pain at expense of eating bone mass. Amazing the amount of high dollar sample meds doctors have access to as the "carrot on a string" to get people to pony up the cash if insurance doesn't pay when feel and see results on scans of what it does. Usually most keep a tight leash o it but past week since specialty practices are closed for an unknown period of time the short dated, requires refrigeration "patient sample" meds seem to be flowing out before they potentially have to close for long period of time except for tele-medicine practice.
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Listening to talk radio said new corona-19 cases up 35% in past 24 hours. Governor of NYS and mayor of NYC said Millennials are not heeding social distancing and gathering in parks and all sorts of places in large crowds. If do not begin to self isolate will be forced to issue regulations forcing all to stay at home and "outlaw" gatherings. Reporters were saying over past week their apartment/condominium buildings as others all over the city are becoming ghost towns as people are leaving NYC for "safer states". President is asking all leaving NYS and NYC to self isolate for 14 days when leave, if see trends where NYC residents begin to take covid-19 to other states may have to lock down state lines to essential travel only to keep NYC from taking Chinese Flu all over nation.

Some people are showing symptoms in 48 hours from exposure, others are carrying three to four weeks before onset of symptoms. Heard about an Olympic athlete in his twenties went to work feeling fine last Friday morning and by Friday night was at hospital and now in induced coma with doctors fighting to keep alive. Number of super healthy young getting it now is growing fast and theory is they are not practicing social distancing. All of my regular month to month clients sent all employees home and doing what little they can teleworking. Most of our specialists have closed offices while a few have switched to telemedicine.

First health care workers in Georgia now testing positive. It is increasing fast in heavily populated commuter counties on north side of Atlanta which are the more influential communities. A cousin who owns larger "small business" with just over two dozen employees and usually a half dozen subcontractors on each job site said he is working till governor passes rule saying cannot as men need paychecks or clients stop calling. Most of his work is being done in clients second home. Most have homes in Atlanta with second homes on Lake Lanier, Lake Altoona, Lake Burton or Western North Carolina. Have him working in whichever home they are not using which says it's disproportionately large number of "work week" homes in Buckhead, Virginia Highlands, West Paces Ferry areas while owners are hiding in more rural weekend/vacation homes.

At my advice he went and purchased a pair of high dollar Fluke non contact thermometers and is zapping all employees and subs for high temperature each morning and evening on both larger work sites. Said he has sent three employees home and two subs thus far as were in the 100° to 101° range. Tells them not to come back till they are normal temperature at least 72 hours and putting sick workers on half pay if don't want to burn their sick leave or full pay till sick leave is all used then have option to use vacation days. Lots of people will come out of this having burnt all vacation and sick days will kill travel industry for rest of year. Watching NYC increase number of cases daily and no idea of when it will peak as migrates to cities not affected in major way yet this may be a long deal. I know I can't afford to get sick but can't afford to not work for months and the House Dems lead by Pelosi keep blocking and voting down every package Senate passes as they want whatever passes to be a House bill sponsored by Dems full of pork that does not help us deplorables. When she said reason put in solar tax credits, bringing back big chunks of Obamacare and other such legislation said they have not been able to pass it any other way so have to add it to the stimulus package to get it through. Anyone that votes Dem next election is not paying any attention.
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In all of this, you have to wonder how vulnerable municipal water supplies are to transmission of a virus like COVID 19.

Generally, treatment facilities are not designed for viral loads. I'm assuming that most places are assuming that the viral load will be low enough to prevent transmission, but we all know what assume starts with...

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In all of this, you have to wonder how vulnerable municipal water supplies are to transmission of a virus like COVID 19.

Generally, treatment facilities are not designed for viral loads. I'm assuming that most places are assuming that the viral load will be low enough to prevent transmission, but we all know what assume starts with...

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Drinking distilled water and all water for washing dishes & cooking is boiled. Hard to do that for bathing but till get warnings on water not going to sweat it.
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Drinking distilled water and all water for washing dishes & cooking is boiled. Hard to do that for bathing but till get warnings on water not going to sweat it.
Well, I'm happy for you, huey...

I have also taken care of those things for myself, of course, but most people haven't...

I live in a city (Colorado Springs) with some of the best municipal water in the world, a function both of our water supply and the city's treatment facilities (and I have friends who work there). But, even here, it could become a potential problem under the 'right' conditions.

Most others are not quite as fortunate, and I haven't seen this potential 'threat' addressed much (perhaps mostly to avoid panic).

Having spent considerable time in China in the past, you don't drink the water. And that's 25 years ago and pre-corona. I wonder what's going on there that way now...

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Well, I'm happy for you, huey...

I have also taken care of those things for myself, of course, but most people haven't...

I live in a city (Colorado Springs) with some of the best municipal water in the world, a function both of our water supply and the city's treatment facilities (and I have friends who work there). But, even here, it could become a potential problem under the 'right' conditions.

Most others are not quite as fortunate, and I haven't seen this potential 'threat' addressed much (perhaps mostly to avoid panic).

Having spent considerable time in China in the past, you don't drink the water. And that's 25 years ago and pre-corona. I wonder what's going on there that way now...

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Clorox would be my first guess.
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Chlorine certainly is great for killing living things, people or bacteria.

Killing something that isn't really alive (like a virus or, for that matter, prions) is somewhat different.

They're mostly recommending alcohol for cleaning surfaces of viruses. I'm sure that Clorox would help, but I'm not sure sure to what degree...

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Chlorine certainly is great for killing living things, people or bacteria.

Killing something that isn't really alive (like a virus or, for that matter, prions) is somewhat different.

They're mostly recommending alcohol for cleaning surfaces of viruses. I'm sure that Clorox would help, but I'm not sure sure to what degree...

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https://www.nola.com/news/coronaviru...66fc35a82.html


EPA and my personal experience,,,in some really rough locations around the world,,,says bleach will surly kill it.

They use a 10% solution of bleach to water to kill the most murderous bad bugs and viruses,,,clear people, vehicles,,buildings, etc..

Whom is mostly recommending alcohol,,vs bleach to kill any virus???

Must have missed that one.
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saw this the other day & saved it,

good thing I did because its gone from the web


now, care to wager this is closer to China's real death rate for the Wuhan virus or whatever agent that they released on their own people



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saw this the other day & saved it,

good thing I did because its gone from the web


now, care to wager this is closer to China's real death rate for the Wuhan virus or whatever agent that they released on their own people


Breitbart still running the story

https://www.breitbart.com/national-s...s-of-pandemic/
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My better water filters have silver impregnated ceramic filters that remove everything down to 0.2 microns which is basically the size of a water molecule. The sliver kills anything trapped in the filter so later use does not contaminate user. Anyone know physical size of the virus molecule or does it even work that way? We have very good municipal system and low yield well backing it up along with 55,000 acre lake in back yard. Interested if my filters will remove the virus.

Wife has this nifty machine that looks like a water picture and when fill can place on base and brings almost a half gallon of water to a boil in under three minutes. We are now boiling all water used for washing dishes, cooking and even drinking in case workers at bottling plant are sick. Also person stocking bottles on shelves at grocery could have been infected and saying it lives on plastic a long, long time. CDC recommended disposing of all plastic bags like commonly used at grocery and other stores now as the virus lives on them longer than about any surface.

We run everything coming in house, even if bring from work as not shopping except work items as need from industrial suppliers, through decontamination. I can't afford to get sick and doing all I can within reason. Spent 30+ years prepping for some event from pandemic to meteor so may as well use the stuff and best case this was a good drill if nothing more comes of it than has but afraid as it escapes NYS and west coast this may be a long event for some. Sam at SGammo said was ordered to send 75% of workers home and waiting to see if he is defined as a non essential business. All ammo buying should have already been done though they are selling and shipping 7.62x39 today.

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No more x39, only 40 Smith and 45 acp at SGammo right now.
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