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Old December 20, 2019, 07:49   #201
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Believe it ornot,there is a place in Virginia called Quantico operated by Uncle Sam’s Misguided Children, where the fine art of killing thy fellow man is taught, everything they teach there would be illegal by new Virginia laws. Maybe its time to move to Oklahoma or such. I hear the doggies at Fort Sill all time, no complaints around here.
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Old December 26, 2019, 19:26   #202
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No, they are counting on political violence as that will serve to frame the narrative that the right are extremists and need to be stamped out forever. The Communists already decided more than fifty years ago to flood this country with such numbers of minority socialists that nothing will change the direction that the country is heading.
The Dems strategy is sorta brilliant, really. They box gun owners in either way.
If you roll over and acquiesce, you become their tax paying serf. If you fight back, you are an extremist. And since they control schools/education they control what is taught. Since they control the media, they control the narrative. Since they control entertainment, they subtly brainwash.

The Dems playbook has been obvious and relatively successful for decades.

* Incrementally ban guns, ban parts and features, ban transfers, create taxes, and drive FFLs out of business, to ultimately frustrate or prohibit/ban ownership to classes of people in order to create generational attrition.

* Drive gun owners out of territory. The military term is "terrain denial." Make it so bad that gun owners leave and Dems capture territory, control the voting population by numbers and power, and ultimately gain EC votes and more power. They have had a very successful land grab campaign, taking and controlling now about 10 states, and approximately 1/2 of the EC votes available.

* Control media, entertainment, and education to brainwash the masses thru mis-education, slander, libel, pooling of wealth to the left, and continuing propaganda machine. Kids and young adults who are vulnerable get a steady dose of leftist propaganda most of the day every day.

* Box in the remaining gun owners with oppressive laws, to cause them to strike back with violence. Once they strike back with violence: Then use that violence all over media, social media, and education as propaganda against gun owners as further evidence against gun ownership...

Some other ins and outs, but that's the basic playbook.

The best way out is a nonviolent voice of the people to put these Dems down. VOTE them out. Forever. Speak with your VOTES. Sadly, 50% of the population is apathetic and that will probably get people killed in this fight of good versus evil.
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Old December 26, 2019, 20:48   #203
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I guess the governer is looking to increase budgets for the prison system to further his agenda:

https://www.ntd.com/virginia-governo...rs_415086.html

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Virginia Governor Seeking Increase in Corrections Budget in Preparation of Jailing Gun Owners

Virginia Governor Ralph Northam is hoping to increase the corrections budget in preparation for jailing gun owners, according to the Daily Caller.

As part of his gun control measures, Northam introduced Bill HB30, where a portion of the bill included a quarter-million dollars dedicated to the Corrections Special Reserves Fund, which provides funds for an “increase in the operating cost of adult correctional facilities resulting from the enactment,” according to Daily Caller.

As stated in Virginia’s Legislative Information System, the bill would include “$250,000 the first year from the general fund for the estimated net increase in the operating cost of adult correctional facilities resulting from the enactment of sentencing legislation.”

The bill indicates funding will be used to “allow the removal of firearms from persons who pose substantial risk to themselves or others,” “prohibit the sale, possession, and transport of assault firearms, trigger activators, and silencers,” “increase the penalty for allowing a child to access unsecured firearms,” “prohibit possession of firearms for persons subject to final orders of protection,” and “require background checks for all firearms sales.”

Furthermore, Daily Caller reported that Northam would be expecting the average taxpayer to pay for increasing the corrections budget that would ultimately restrictor refrain any individual from exercising their constitutional rights.

The Daily Caller reported that in addition to depriving citizens of their constitutional rights, this bill would be a waste of money, considering that this gun-controlling measure will not make Virginia any safer. Banning semi-automatic firearms would not reduce the number of violent crimes.

According to crime reporting data from the FBI in 2018, there were five times more deaths committed with knives than there were with rifles. The report also cited that rifles, which Northam’s bill wished to ban, were not as commonly used in homicidal crimes as opposed to blunt objects, such as hammers and clubs, or person weapons such as hands, fists, feet, and so on.

Daily Caller further reported that background checks, that the bill hoped to enact, would not dissuade people from getting guns in other ways. The U.S. Department of Justice reported that 75 percent of crimes involving guns, criminals have obtained their firearms through theft or by other means of acquirement, such as through a friend, a gift, on the street/black market, etc. Less than one percent obtained their firearms from dealers or non-dealers at gun shows.
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Old December 27, 2019, 07:37   #204
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The Dems strategy is sorta brilliant, really. They box gun owners in either way.
If you roll over and acquiesce, you become their tax paying serf. If you fight back, you are an extremist. And since they control schools/education they control what is taught. Since they control the media, they control the narrative. Since they control entertainment, they subtly brainwash.

The Dems playbook has been obvious and relatively successful for decades.

* Incrementally ban guns, ban parts and features, ban transfers, create taxes, and drive FFLs out of business, to ultimately frustrate or prohibit/ban ownership to classes of people in order to create generational attrition.

* Drive gun owners out of territory. The military term is "terrain denial." Make it so bad that gun owners leave and Dems capture territory, control the voting population by numbers and power, and ultimately gain EC votes and more power. They have had a very successful land grab campaign, taking and controlling now about 10 states, and approximately 1/2 of the EC votes available.

* Control media, entertainment, and education to brainwash the masses thru mis-education, slander, libel, pooling of wealth to the left, and continuing propaganda machine. Kids and young adults who are vulnerable get a steady dose of leftist propaganda most of the day every day.

* Box in the remaining gun owners with oppressive laws, to cause them to strike back with violence. Once they strike back with violence: Then use that violence all over media, social media, and education as propaganda against gun owners as further evidence against gun ownership...

Some other ins and outs, but that's the basic playbook.

The best way out is a nonviolent voice of the people to put these Dems down. VOTE them out. Forever. Speak with your VOTES. Sadly, 50% of the population is apathetic and that will probably get people killed in this fight of good versus evil.

A futurist novel by Aldous Huxley called ‘Brave New World’ is what the west has in store for the non compliant unsterile heathens. You have to play for all the marbles with these Totalitarian types. Forced removal will be the only way to control the infestation. Then you round up the rest and move them to reservations. You look at any western country that had gone communist and the leadership had to be executed to shut them up........
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Old December 27, 2019, 10:29   #205
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I guess they’ll let us keep the pitch forks and gasoline?
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Old December 27, 2019, 13:57   #207
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Just a question to anyone that knows the answer. Does Virginia have its local antifa to stand against patriots?

Oregon democrat's built their private army to turn loose on those who defy the democrat laws. Let them run around with mask on to do public violence against Oregonians. The police protect them and our laws are used against anyone who stands against them.
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Just a question to anyone that knows the answer. Does Virginia have its local antifa to stand against patriots?

Oregon democrat's built their private army to turn loose on those who defy the democrat laws. Let them run around with mask on to do public violence against Oregonians. The police protect them and our laws are used against anyone who stands against them.
The first one that gets a 762x51 thru the chest will stop the others dead in their tracks. Remember Kent State....that was live fire exercise with M1 Garands......
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Old December 27, 2019, 14:18   #209
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The first one that gets a 762x51 thru the chest will stop the others dead in their tracks. Remember Kent State....that was live fire exercise with M1 Garands......
The oregon government works with antifa and protects them. If a group of them come after you and you pull out a gun to protect yourself then you go to jail for brandishing a weapon.

I was wondering if Virginia has the same brown shirt army to do their bidding that Oregon democrat's do?
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Old December 27, 2019, 14:23   #210
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I guess they’ll let us keep the pitch forks and gasoline?
I wouldn't bet much on that.
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The oregon government works with antifa and protects them. If a group of them come after you and you pull out a gun to protect yourself then you go to jail for brandishing a weapon.

I was wondering if Virginia has the same brown shirt army to do their bidding that Oregon democrat's do?
Im old who cares. One thru forehead and one thru the sternum....you’ll either die there or rot in gulag....take yer pick.
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Seems they are afraid of some bullets too:

Virginia HB 899

Makes it a felony to possess cartridge loaded with a bullet made of metal other than lead.

If you have cartridges that use sintered copper bullets, bismuth or Barnes bullets, they want to make you a felon.

"possession and use of “restricted firearm ammunition” in the state, and makes it a felony to own any ammunition that meets the following criteria:

(i) Teflon coated or coated with a similar product;

(ii) commonly known as “KTW” bullets or “French Arcanes”; or

(iii) cartridges containing bullets coated with a plastic substance with other than lead or lead alloy cores, jacketed bullets with other than lead or lead alloy cores, or cartridges of which the bullet itself is wholly composed of a metal or metal alloy other than lead, but the definition does not include shotgun shells or solid plastic bullets. "

Perhaps they will add a bill to ban the lead ones later on too.
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Old January 13, 2020, 02:23   #213
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Seems they are afraid of some bullets too:

Virginia HB 899

Makes it a felony to possess cartridge loaded with a bullet made of metal other than lead.

If you have cartridges that use sintered copper bullets, bismuth or Barnes bullets, they want to make you a felon.

"possession and use of “restricted firearm ammunition” in the state, and makes it a felony to own any ammunition that meets the following criteria:

(i) Teflon coated or coated with a similar product;

(ii) commonly known as “KTW” bullets or “French Arcanes”; or

(iii) cartridges containing bullets coated with a plastic substance with other than lead or lead alloy cores, jacketed bullets with other than lead or lead alloy cores, or cartridges of which the bullet itself is wholly composed of a metal or metal alloy other than lead, but the definition does not include shotgun shells or solid plastic bullets. "

Perhaps they will add a bill to ban the lead ones later on too.
Well, lead is bad when taken internally.
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"possession and use of “restricted firearm ammunition” in the state, and makes it a felony to own any ammunition that meets the following criteria:

(i) Teflon coated or coated with a similar product;

(ii) commonly known as “KTW” bullets or “French Arcanes”; or
How long has KTW been out of production? That is collector status ammo now.
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How long has KTW been out of production? That is collector status ammo now.
I don't think the people writing these bills are well informed.
They are however trying to capitalize on the opportunity they have been handed now, and they fully intend to keep issuing more of these edicts.

If you use frangible ammo to train at close range on steel plates, HB 899 will put an end to that.

The old Speer Grand Slam tungsten cored bullets qualify too.
Lathe turned bronze solids.....

The expensive stuff.....commonly used in street crime.

But if you have it in your cartridge collection and this bill passes, it becomes a bit like a time bomb.
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The blackface man has some bad advisors.

Scoped Sniper weapons will likely be added to the list VERY QUICKLY.

The American Revolution had some sniping, as has every conflict.
This will end up in the courts, not in the local ER's.

Even one fatality from long range, or even long range hits on vehicles and buildings will quickly put Va on edge, LIKE THE DC SNIPER did; John Muhammad and Lee Boyd Malvo accomplished history making effects.

Heller stated that you cannot ban a whole class of guns.

Banning any weapon capable of accepting a more than ten round mag is simply totally unconstitutional. You can limit mags, MAYBE.

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Light up Mark Levine's facebook page.

https://www.facebook.com/LevineforVirginia/

Tell him to withdraw HB 961.
http://lis.virginia.gov/cgi-bin/legp...?201+sum+HB961

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SUMMARY AS INTRODUCED:

Prohibiting sale, transport, etc., of assault firearms, certain firearm magazines, silencers, and trigger activators; penalties.

Expands the definition of "assault firearm" and prohibits any person from importing, selling, transferring, manufacturing, purchasing, possessing, or transporting an assault firearm. A violation is a Class 6 felony
. The bill prohibits a dealer from selling, renting, trading, or transferring from his inventory an assault firearm to any person.

The bill also prohibits a person from carrying a shotgun with a magazine that will hold more than seven rounds of the longest ammunition for which it is chambered in a public place; under existing law, this prohibition applies only in certain localities. The bill makes it a Class 6 felony to import, sell, transfer, manufacture, purchase, possess, or transport large-capacity firearm magazines, silencers, and trigger activators, all defined in the bill. Any person who legally owns an assault firearm, large-capacity firearm magazine, silencer, or trigger activator on July 1, 2020, may retain possession until January 1, 2021. During that time, such person shall (i) render the assault firearm, large-capacity firearm magazine, silencer, or trigger activator inoperable; (ii) remove the assault firearm, large-capacity firearm magazine, silencer, or trigger activator from the Commonwealth; (iii) transfer the assault firearm, large-capacity firearm magazine, silencer, or trigger activator to a person outside the Commonwealth who is not prohibited from possessing it; or (iv) surrender the assault firearm, large-capacity firearm magazine, silencer, or trigger activator to a state or local law-enforcement agency.

The bill further states that any person who legally owns an assault firearm on July 1, 2020, may retain possession of such assault firearm after January 1, 2021, if such person has obtained a permit from the Department of State Police to possess an assault firearm in accordance with procedures established in the bill.

A person issued such permit may possess an assault firearm only under the following conditions: (a) while in his home or on his property or while on the property of another who has provided prior permission, provided that the person has the landowner's written permission on his person while on such property; (b) while at a shooting range, shooting gallery, or other area designated for the purpose of target shooting or the target range of a public or private club or organization whose members have organized for the purpose of practicing shooting targets or competing in target shooting matches; (c) while engaged in lawful hunting; or (d) while surrendering the assault firearm to a state or local law-enforcement agency. A person issued such permit may also transport an assault firearm between any of those locations, provided that such assault firearm is unloaded and secured within a closed container while being transported. The bill also provides that failure to display the permit and a photo identification upon demand by a law-enforcement officer shall be punishable by a $25 civil penalty, which shall be paid into the state treasury.

The bill also requires the Department of State Police to enter the name and description of a person issued a permit in the Virginia Criminal Information Network (VCIN) so that the permit's existence and current status will be made known to the law-enforcement personnel accessing VCIN for investigative purposes.
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I don't think the people writing these bills are well informed.
They are however trying to capitalize on the opportunity they have been handed now, and they fully intend to keep issuing more of these edicts.

If you use frangible ammo to train at close range on steel plates, HB 899 will put an end to that.

The old Speer Grand Slam tungsten cored bullets qualify too.
Lathe turned bronze solids.....

The expensive stuff.....commonly used in street crime.

But if you have it in your cartridge collection and this bill passes, it becomes a bit like a time bomb.
They are not informed, they are fed marching orders from Gun Ban tyrants like Bloomberg.

Does anyone believe a single one of this legislators knows the first thing about what they are actually putting in these bills?

Someone knows..but not THEM.

All these bills are aimed at Conservative American law-abiding citizens.

Not at Gang Members who commit 95% of all illegal shootings in this nation.
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I say someone should organize a nationwide March in Virginia and have several million armed people March to and encircle the state capital. Imagine the governor looking out to see even million people with rifles slung and pistols on their sides. Only way he could deal with such would be from him to call in the Air National Guard as doubt he has enough 11 Bravos to face down several million armed people. Have them sit in place for a day then peacefully leave.
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I say someone should organize a nationwide March in Virginia and have several million armed people March to and encircle the state capital. Imagine the governor looking out to see even million people with rifles slung and pistols on their sides. Only way he could deal with such would be from him to call in the Air National Guard as doubt he has enough 11 Bravos to face down several million armed people. Have them sit in place for a day then peacefully leave.
I’m sure many legislators won’t even be at the Capital on January 20 during Lobby Day.
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I’m sure many legislators won’t even be at the Capital on January 20 during Lobby Day.
Probably having a circle jerk in Mark Levine's love shack.
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I say someone should organize a nationwide March in Virginia and have several million armed people March to and encircle the state capital. Imagine the governor looking out to see even million people with rifles slung and pistols on their sides. Only way he could deal with such would be from him to call in the Air National Guard as doubt he has enough 11 Bravos to face down several million armed people. Have them sit in place for a day then peacefully leave.
It would be great but all the government infiltrators would start firefights or mass shootings.

There is just no way to organize it without alphabets being in the mix and starting a disaster.
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Believe it ornot,there is a place in Virginia called Quantico operated by Uncle Sam’s Misguided Children, where the fine art of killing thy fellow man is taught, everything they teach there would be illegal by new Virginia laws. Maybe its time to move to Oklahoma or such. I hear the doggies at Fort Sill all time, no complaints around here.
There is another place in Virginia called Langley... and it is operated by a group of us government 100%and DOJ certified above the law Marxist criminals that are responsible for creating the antifa movement in this country by using their networks of communist college professors to indoctrinate, recruit and deploy this domestic Marxist insurgency group...That is precisely why we don’t see any DOJ prosecutions of them or arrests of their leadership... because it goes right back to the CIA, FBI,DNC, MSM.... in a big circle... all of these criminal organizations are engaged in one big conspiracy... and many GOP house and senate members are comprised in one way or another .... be it by financial corruption, child molestation, theft etc... none of these bastards can escape the kind of surveillance scrutiny Trump has been under and not come up with blackmail material to be used against them by these agencies ... I expect them to be in VA on the 20th dressed in any manner the CIA wants them , to be used to instigate violence.
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