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Old February 13, 2020, 08:55   #1
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ďExpiredĒ soft body armor...

I recently acquire a good amount of covert soft armor vests. Think leo, under the shirt style. Most of it is un-issued with a few pieces that have been worn. Itís a collection of II and IIIa. Mostly IIIa.

The only issue is that it is all past the ďretireĒ date. I know itís been well taken care of and stored correctly, laid flat, in a climate controlled space.

Iíve read a few things that state that itís good to go well past itís due date, but wanted to ask the ďexpertsĒ here too.

Iíd like to keep a couple sets, but sell the rest or use it as trade fodder. I just donít know enough about it to put a value on it.

Any advice is appreciated.
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Old February 13, 2020, 10:10   #2
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Expired date for worn, sweated in, exposed to elements versus Expired date for stored flat under temperate conditions.

Expired dates seem to benefit lawyers and manufacturers for a lot of things.

Just my opinion but I'd use 'em.
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Old February 13, 2020, 10:13   #3
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Old February 13, 2020, 10:50   #4
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If it takes 10,000 years for a soda plastic bottle to break down in a land fill,,,suspect your vest will last a good long time too.

Any of us(non active duty military/cops) with vests,,,well,,,,an old vest is far better than no vest at all.

I've got a lot of really old,,,armor strike plates,,was thinking one day,,not highly recommended, so hung one up,,out came the L1A1,,,
it took 5 rounds,,with no through and through penetration.

Old is just old,,,not all used up or ruined.
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Old February 13, 2020, 11:55   #5
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Thanks for the replies, I do appreciate your input. Now for the next question...

Do I sell the inserts, or inserts and vests? Obviously there would be a big price difference because they are older, but how much of a drop? 20 bucks an insert and 50 for a vest with two inserts? Iím just throwing numbers out. Iím not trying to take advantage of anyone, yet donít wanna sell myself too short either.

I could definitely use some project money...
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Old February 13, 2020, 12:20   #6
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Thanks for the replies, I do appreciate your input. Now for the next question...

Do I sell the inserts, or inserts and vests? Obviously there would be a big price difference because they are older, but how much of a drop? 20 bucks an insert and 50 for a vest with two inserts? Iím just throwing numbers out. Iím not trying to take advantage of anyone, yet donít wanna sell myself too short either.

I could definitely use some project money...
Buy low and sell high.

The "market" will set the prices.

Take a couple of sets,,,best and worst,,throw them up here for an auction.

Whatever they go for,,,that sets the market price.

Once you know the market price,,,what folks will pay for them,,,then set your pricing and unload them.

Got a friend,,he buys stuff for a dollar,,,then sets a price of 100.00 on it.
His place looks like a museum,,vs a store.
Nothing ever sells and nothing ever moves.
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Old February 13, 2020, 13:33   #7
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To my point of view you bought good body armour simply because when you wear it you can't be sure it's good. You won't take foolish risk thinking you are protected. Seems like cops are getting killed all over the nation and they are wearing new body armour. Not saying they are taking uneccssary risk but body armour isn't helping the dead guys.

Did the guys main it have an all night party before comming to work? No really I guess soft body armour has been tested for years and is good stuff. They sell a lot of it.
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Old February 13, 2020, 13:43   #8
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Put it on.

And don a half-dozen full magazines. And your rifle.

I can think of a lot of other stuff you should carry too. But we'll just go with the mags and the rifle and the armor for now.

Now make a vid of you covering 6 miles on broken terrain without stopping with all that (or "just that") kit.

If the enemy bullets don't kill you the ruck will.

It should be fun.
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Old February 13, 2020, 14:19   #9
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Put it on.

And don a half-dozen full magazines. And your rifle.

I can think of a lot of other stuff you should carry too. But we'll just go with the mags and the rifle and the armor for now.

Now make a vid of you covering 6 miles on broken terrain without stopping with all that (or "just that") kit.

If the enemy bullets don't kill you the ruck will.

It should be fun.
Donít know what this has to do with my posed questions... but hereís my response.

I wouldnít call it fun, but doable sure.

I may be the oddity here, but the majority of my career has been as a Wildland firefighter.

Carrying a forty pound pack along with a saw slung over my shoulder covering miles on uneven terrain is my wheelhouse.

Now Iím almost 43, I run a crew now, I ride my bike everyday and on my days off I can bang out a couple thou vert feet on my tele skis for a good time. If snow is no good drive off the hill and bang out 20-30 miles on the mountain bike and clean 2k vert easy peasy.

Oh, and a resting heart rate in the 40ís...

I donít smoke anymore nor drink, and eat primarily raw and veggie. Donít watch tv, No fun to hang out with at all...
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Donít know what this has to do with my posed questions... but hereís my response.

I wouldnít call it fun, but doable sure.

I may be the oddity here, but the majority of my career has been as a Wildland firefighter.

Carrying a forty pound pack along with a saw slung over my shoulder covering miles on uneven terrain is my wheelhouse.

Now Iím almost 43, I run a crew now, I ride my bike everyday and on my days off I can bang out a couple thou vert feet on my tele skis for a good time. If snow is no good drive off the hill and bang out 20-30 miles on the mountain bike and clean 2k vert easy peasy.

Oh, and a resting heart rate in the 40ís...

I donít smoke anymore nor drink, and eat primarily raw and veggie. Donít watch tv, No fun to hang out with at all...
I had a friend who passed away last weekend that would mirror your lifestyle and body shape. Hard charger at the gun club that looked and acted in perfect shape. Just retired then died. Had all the great gear and FA guns a military background that taught him to use them.

Enjoy your health and be thankful for today because tomorrow may never come.
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Old February 13, 2020, 14:48   #11
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I had a friend who passed away last weekend that would mirror your lifestyle and body shape. Hard charger at the gun club that looked and acted in perfect shape. Just retired then died. Had all the great gear and FA guns a military background that taught him to use them.

Enjoy your health and be thankful for today because tomorrow may never come.
I read that thread BJ, I am sorry for your loss. Loosing a friend is never easy.

I do enjoy everyday, and I do feel blessed.

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Old February 13, 2020, 15:05   #12
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All great advice here on this

Okay, so you understand the armor industry helped write the expiration nonsense.
The idea was to create a constant resupply market.

I used to do LE contracts as a vendor up into the early 2000s
Okay some hard facts:

Main thing that can affect soft armor is UV exposure
sweat is mostly cosmetic

I would swap out new for old with like a ten cent on the dollar credit
anything shabby went into new carriers
being into this dirt cheap we tested old panels out a number of times
even sweat stained up ones functioned as well as new Kevlar so there is that
what really kills a vest is it having been shoot already
just wearing one, not really much and new unused vests are new and unused depending on storage conditions.

in the lead up to Y2k I just murdered it
at that point I had an easy couple hundred plus vests I sold on gun boards and Ebay'd at the $100 price point. They were expired but well less than half price of new

just depends on what kind of vests you have
figure no more than half of retail on the same mfg and model valuation in my opinion
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Old February 13, 2020, 15:10   #13
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When talking about Aramid based armor used armor tests as good as new. I'm not sure about the Ultra High Molecular Weight Polyethylene (UHMWPE). I've read that it degrades in heat.

http://bulletproofme.com/Quick_Answers.shtml#6
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Old February 13, 2020, 16:10   #14
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I didn’t know soft ba was rated at level III?

The plates that the army used were level III IIRC and the weight of them combined with the summer heat caused guys to get salt burns on their skin from wearing them

I would say that expired BA that retains its integrity would still have value

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We got a whole con-ex box full of "returned" soft armor several years ago.

Half of it was blood-soaked and just nasty as shit.
Looked like some of the guys who had worn it had a really bad day on the last day they wore it.

The other half of the conex box was practically brand new.

Everything was right-at, or past, its posted expiration date.
I scooped up a couple vests that looked like they hadn't been shot or bled-on.
Wore it to the range a couple times, then put it back on hanger. Which collapsed under the weight after a couple years. Had to buy one of those expensive "armor" hangers to get it off the floor of the closet.

I really don't see me wearing it anywhere that somebody might be shooting at me with pistols. If they are shooting at me with rifles, I can only think about that other half of the con-ex box. If they are shooting accurately at you with rifles, YOUR expiration date will be acutely shorter than the posted expiration-date of the armor in 99% of the scenarios I can imagine.

Last time I fought a wildland fire, I burned up a brand new pair Christmas of Chuck Taylor's stomping it out. My mom was pissed.
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Old February 13, 2020, 17:13   #16
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Put it on.

And don a half-dozen full magazines. And your rifle.

I can think of a lot of other stuff you should carry too. But we'll just go with the mags and the rifle and the armor for now.

Now make a vid of you covering 6 miles on broken terrain without stopping with all that (or "just that") kit.

If the enemy bullets don't kill you the ruck will.

It should be fun.
Some of us,,,are smart enough to use the Jeep to cover those six miles,,,or not get into a situation where ya running for your life in the first place.

With that said,,,,,If I lived in VA,,,hint, hint,,I'd be getting my old ass back into humping shape post haste. Rifle, spare mags,,pop tarts,smokes,,couple of canteens.

No one with a brain cell connected,,runs into a hot combat zone with a full pack,,be them 18 or 70.
Drop ruck,,,go fight,,go back to ruck.
Kinda why they make a LBE harness with mag pouches and canteen covers,,little compass case, and personal 1st aid kit.
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bulletproofme.com has done some testing on old armor


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If I lived in VA,,,hint, hint,,I'd be getting my old ass back into humping shape post haste. Rifle, spare mags,,pop tarts,smokes,,couple of canteens.

No one with a brain cell connected,,runs into a hot combat zone with a full pack...
I've got a Vietnam original magazine vest to go with my (ass-less) chaps. Figure I can fill the mag-pockets with tube-socks filled with 30-30 ammo. Probably still have those scorched Chuck Taylors around here somewhere too. I can be speedy when I got to. Probably won't bother with the canteen. I'll just knock over liquor stores and 7-11's if I need Slim-Jims, smokes and re-supply of liquids. I've learned to keep a pack of rubbers in one of the magazine pouches, 'cause they never have my size in lamb-skin at 7-11, and they don't sell rubbers in liquor stores in Virginia.

If you tie the handles of two 7-11 bags together, it makes an expedient backpack, or hood-rat sports-bra even.

In the front, a couple 40's in one bag, Slim-Jims and pork-rinds in the other. Then in the back two bags, couple cartons of smokes (only for trading, because I gave up fags), and whatever old-school porn mags they have from behind the counter. If I'm gonna go down, I'm gonna go down "standing up"... if you know what I mean.

I found that I can load the AP handloads in the 30-30 tube magazine if I alternate AP rounds and snap-caps in the tube. Reduces magazine capacity by half, but its still easier than completely breaking position to load single rounds.
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I've got a Vietnam original magazine vest to go with my (ass-less) chaps. Figure I can fill the mag-pockets with tube-socks filled with 30-30 ammo. Probably still have those scorched Chuck Taylors around here somewhere too. I can be speedy when I got to. Probably won't bother with the canteen. I'll just knock over liquor stores and 7-11's if I need Slim-Jims, smokes and re-supply of liquids. I've learned to keep a pack of rubbers in one of the magazine pouches, 'cause they never have my size in lamb-skin at 7-11, and they don't sell rubbers in liquor stores in Virginia.

If you tie the handles of two 7-11 bags together, it makes an expedient backpack, or hood-rat sports-bra even.

In the front, a couple 40's in one bag, Slim-Jims and pork-rinds in the other. Then in the back two bags, couple cartons of smokes (only for trading, because I gave up fags), and whatever old-school porn mags they have from behind the counter. If I'm gonna go down, I'm gonna go down "standing up"... if you know what I mean.

I found that I can load the AP handloads in the 30-30 tube magazine if I alternate AP rounds and snap-caps in the tube. Reduces magazine capacity by half, but its still easier than completely breaking position to load single rounds.
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Thanks for the replies, I do appreciate your input. Now for the next question...

Do I sell the inserts, or inserts and vests? Obviously there would be a big price difference because they are older, but how much of a drop? 20 bucks an insert and 50 for a vest with two inserts? Iím just throwing numbers out. Iím not trying to take advantage of anyone, yet donít wanna sell myself too short either.

I could definitely use some project money...
When you figure out pricing please let me know
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I've got a Vietnam original magazine vest to go with my (ass-less) chaps. Figure I can fill the mag-pockets with tube-socks filled with 30-30 ammo. Probably still have those scorched Chuck Taylors around here somewhere too. I can be speedy when I got to. Probably won't bother with the canteen. I'll just knock over liquor stores and 7-11's if I need Slim-Jims, smokes and re-supply of liquids. I've learned to keep a pack of rubbers in one of the magazine pouches, 'cause they never have my size in lamb-skin at 7-11, and they don't sell rubbers in liquor stores in Virginia.

If you tie the handles of two 7-11 bags together, it makes an expedient backpack, or hood-rat sports-bra even.

In the front, a couple 40's in one bag, Slim-Jims and pork-rinds in the other. Then in the back two bags, couple cartons of smokes (only for trading, because I gave up fags), and whatever old-school porn mags they have from behind the counter. If I'm gonna go down, I'm gonna go down "standing up"... if you know what I mean.

I found that I can load the AP handloads in the 30-30 tube magazine if I alternate AP rounds and snap-caps in the tube. Reduces magazine capacity by half, but its still easier than completely breaking position to load single rounds.
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