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Old February 09, 2020, 11:51   #1
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In his 23 years with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, Dan O'Kelly was one of the agency's top gun experts.
He served for five years as the lead firearms technology instructor at the ATF National Academy, where he co-wrote the curriculum for incoming agents.
These days, however, O'Kelly is using his formidable firearms expertise and institutional knowledge of the ATF to take aim at his former employer.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/07/us/ex...-15/index.html
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Old February 12, 2020, 21:44   #3
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Nothing good will come of this.
Agreed.

If liberal legislation were to redefine the controlled part(s) then it is likely that the European regs would be duplicated where any pressure containing parts are "controlled". That would mean that AR15 uppers, barrels, bolt heads and maybe even carriers .... oh the humanity.
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Well, it is kind of a joke, really. They are politicians negotiating.

It Hungary it was the FP. LOL. Lemme buy a RPK for $300, I can get a friggin FP.

In Canada and EU, complete receivers were cool. Barrels were bad. OK, I can make a barrel. Of course, that's all changed in EU.

Now US is going boingo about 80% and of course importing barrels has been bad for decades.

I guess it all comes down to no matter what the bad guys (politicians) do, the industry is thirty seconds in front or behind.
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I commend his efforts to be truthful and technically correct, but it is certainly a double edged sword that has the potential to kill parts and parts kits as we know them and up-end gunsmithing worse than ITAR ever did. ATF will swing back with a vengeance.

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Yeah, all this is going to do is compell congress to redefine what a receiver or firearm is.. I don’t have any desire to go down that path.
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That's what I think. Is he a busy-body?
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Well, it is kind of a joke, really. They are politicians negotiating.

It Hungary it was the FP. LOL. Lemme buy a RPK for $300, I can get a friggin FP.

In Canada and EU, complete receivers were cool. Barrels were bad. OK, I can make a barrel. Of course, that's all changed in EU.

Now US is going boingo about 80% and of course importing barrels has been bad for decades.

I guess it all comes down to no matter what the bad guys (politicians) do, the industry is thirty seconds in front or behind.
couple corrections:

Canada followed US definitions, barrels are cash and carry there

bbls only became an issue 12 years ago in 2008 under bozo Bush

FWIW, ATFE has zero interest in regulating barrels
it's pretty much impossible to effect in America without a massive restructure off the entire code top to bottom

think on this some guys
so new blanks would be serialized
they would lose that data being turned by folks

that's just one of countless boggles
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Well, if atf has been granted the 'right' to reinterpret the law at any given time to ban something (bumpstocks) then something like this will only embolden them later on. The 'right' to reinterpret what a firearm or receiver is will only work against honest people. Yeah this will end badly.
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https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=237938

Interesting take on the 2nd amendment, and gun laws in general.
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Interesting take on the 2nd amendment, and gun laws in general.
don't go near far enough...

So can you tax speech, faith, voting, etc ?
nope
yet since 1919 the Fed has taxed guns & ammo which is the rock all regulation has been built upon and quite unlawfully but I will return to that.

The OP in your link brings up some great points but what he overlooked was the actual root of the infamous "You can't shout fire" quote
That goes back to Woody Wilson's Alien & Sedition Act
Wilson used this against folks who opposed our involvement in WWI with hundreds sent to Federal prisons. This was initially upheld by the Supremes with Chief Justice Oliver Wendel Holmes applying this analogy to justify constitional infringement on Free Speech which was later overturned by SCOTUS in the 20s
I tore into University Law professors over their teaching this as some basic principle of American Law and in the 20s the Sedition law was gone.
FDR notably used the Enemy Alien part left standing to send many thousands to our own Concentration Camps

Note, this was shit created by Democrats and abused by Democrats

In 35' abusing the Democrat based taxation scheme FDR attempted to basically ban all concealable arms
yeah had some Democrats had their way it would be the same BS for handguns as MGs and suppressors
DoJ's mindset was the 2nd only was a protection for State Guard. That existed until very recently with Heller

It was comical, overnight Schumer, Feinstein, et al became champions of limited RKBA
that's what's at issue, scumbag Scalia's opinion that the 2nd was a narrowly tailored right...his words, not mine
this left everything open to further mechanations.

but here's the point
once SCOTUS ruled RKBA was an individual right it became non taxable if used to limit ANY citizens access to arms
again, it's like taxing any other enumerated Right

this is seriously basic law constructs well established by both the Constitution and our Courts
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