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Old September 11, 2019, 09:03   #1
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What WECSOG Black Paint works the Best?

I have on the back burner a FN Predominant Kit that is nearly all parted up. The problem is this, most of the important main parts are Black over Park (example: NOS FN Black Lower, FN Black over Park Refinished Barrel, Black over Park Gas Tube etc) however, some of the misc parts are Original Finished or Parkerized (example: BHO, Top Cover, Mag Catch etc).

Should I gather all the remaining parts and send them in to have some other professional coating (and pay dearly for that) or should I simply do it myself?

Maybe use Semi-Gloss Black Furnace Paint? Or Possibly purchase one of those “Do-It-Yourself Coatings” (duracoat etc)?

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Old September 11, 2019, 10:19   #2
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The question is what is your time worth cleaning up the parts of rust if any,preparing the parts for coating etc... Then figure out how much it costs for someone to do it.
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Old September 11, 2019, 10:31   #3
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FN parts such as the flash hiders, rear sights, bolt & carriers and lower internal parts are not painted black and remain gray phosphate.
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Old September 11, 2019, 12:22   #4
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Just get a can of that cheap Walmart Appliance Epoxy paint and bake it at 275. Plenty of pictures on the web.
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Old September 11, 2019, 12:34   #5
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Hmmm...decisions decisions..

Actually, the FN-FH & Rear Site are already black as well and I plan on leaving the Bolt & Carrier their original color...so I am good to go as far as that goes..

This leaves the small oddballs parts (BHO, Mag Catch, Axis Pins, Trigger, Buttplate etc) that will stand out as being parkerized and look different...

I hadn’t heard of baking off Krylon (bet the wives just love that process hehe)

DakTo: Stupid Question (warning): I always assumed that the original gray type finish on FN etc was some type of parkerizing. Sounds like you mention “phosphate”...? I will have to do some research on that process.....I have heard the term off course (phosphate) but never really knew how it was applied....??
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Zinc phos is greyer. Manganese phos is blacker
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Old September 11, 2019, 12:52   #7
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Duplicolor semi-gloss black engine block enamel spray paint from the auto part store seems to work pretty well if you're doing this on the cheap. Used it on a WASR and got nice results. didn't burn off at the range either
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Old September 11, 2019, 16:19   #8
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I'm not sure the paint makes as much difference as a) proper cleaning and prepping and b) baking/curing. In the past I've used both high temp enamel and just regular old duplicolor, Krylon and the like, 275 - 300 degrees for at least 1/2 hour and they all seem to hold up fine in normal use and with normal solvents. Don't bake it and the bets are off. AMHIK
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Old September 11, 2019, 17:42   #10
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I'm not sure the paint makes as much difference as a) proper cleaning and prepping and b) baking/curing. In the past I've used both high temp enamel and just regular old duplicolor, Krylon and the like, 275 - 300 degrees for at least 1/2 hour and they all seem to hold up fine in normal use and with normal solvents. Don't bake it and the bets are off. AMHIK
Duplicolor Dodge hi temp ceramic is very close to FN black and it's been verified a thousand times here. When you bake it and assemble it just put it up for a couple of weeks even after it's dried for the time they say on the can. If you just have to shoot right away cover the ejection port area.
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Old September 11, 2019, 18:08   #11
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It's all about the prep then the proper products.

1) Fully degrease and/or beadblast
2) Parkerize or use GunKote's cold phosphate ( https://shop.kgcoatings.com/kg/produ...osion-control/ ) this shit eats latex gloves, so use chem resistant gloves. Follow all product instructions.
3) METRIC: Dupli-Color Low-Gloss Black DE1634
INCH: Dupli-Color Semi-Gloss Black DE1635
https://www.duplicolor.com/product/e...-with-ceramic/
FOR WEAR PARTS & MAGAZINES: GunKote SOCOM Black
https://shop.kgcoatings.com/kg/product/2401soc/

All the above, coat than let air dry 1 hour. Then bake at 325 degrees for 1 hour. Your main squeeze will kill you for using the oven for this. However, the BBQ on low can easily achieve 325 degrees.

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I recently painted a DSA receiver with Rustoleum Engine Enamel, glass black. I just timed and headspaced this last night after work before taking the kid's reigns from the wifey. I still need to dissemble the kit, clean and lube, then reassemble (and swap out the frame lock plunger for a little tighter fit... it locks tighter now, but I always like the bottom of the lever at least parallel with the receiver) before wrapping this up.

Goal was to match finish of a nice Imbel kit (fired little, handled rough... recoil plate doesn't have a single dimple in it!). I artificially roughed the finish up before.

There was no scientific method to baked the paint. I painted the receiver a week ago. I occasionally tossed in the garage toaster oven at temps between 250 and 450 degrees.... no rhyme of reason, between two and six hours per shot. I tossed the receiver in a tub full of old greasy/dirty sockets on a few separate occasions (tossed, as in tossing it like a garden salad!). I lightly rubbed a knurled handle from a socket wrench over the high edges.

The durability of the paint seems to be on par with factory Imbel paint. I think it looks the part!



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Old September 11, 2019, 18:52   #14
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I like it, that's a very nice restoration




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I recently painted a DSA receiver with Rustoleum Engine Enamel, glass black. I just timed and headspaced this last night after work before taking the kid's reigns from the wifey. I still need to dissemble the kit, clean and lube, then reassemble (and swap out the frame lock plunger for a little tighter fit... it locks tighter now, but I always like the bottom of the lever at least parallel with the receiver) before wrapping this up.

Goal was to match finish of a nice Imbel kit (fired little, handled rough... recoil plate doesn't have a single dimple in it!). I artificially roughed the finish up before.

There was no scientific method to baked the paint. I painted the receiver a week ago. I occasionally tossed in the garage toaster oven at temps between 250 and 450 degrees.... no rhyme of reason, between two and six hours per shot. I tossed the receiver in a tub full of old greasy/dirty sockets on a few separate occasions (tossed, as in tossing it like a garden salad!). I lightly rubbed a knurled handle from a socket wrench over the high edges.

The durability of the paint seems to be on par with factory Imbel paint. I think it looks the part!



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Duplicolor semi-gloss black engine block enamel spray paint from the auto part store
This is the answer that you seek. I have used it on rifle mags. It makes a fine satin finish. I baked my mags @ 300 degrees for an hour and the finish has been durable. Plus, touch up is easy.
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Actually, the FN-FH & Rear Site are already black as well and I plan on leaving the Bolt & Carrier their original color...so I am good to go as far as that goes..

This leaves the small oddballs parts (BHO, Mag Catch, Axis Pins, Trigger, Buttplate etc) that will stand out as being parkerized and look different...

I hadn’t heard of baking off Krylon (bet the wives just love that process hehe)

DakTo: Stupid Question (warning): I always assumed that the original gray type finish on FN etc was some type of parkerizing. Sounds like you mention “phosphate”...? I will have to do some research on that process.....I have heard the term off course (phosphate) but never really knew how it was applied....??
I like to use my G series FN as a model as it doesn't represent a well worn and sometimes grungy parts kit where the original phosphating appears black.
The rear sights on the G series is chemical applied gray phosphate.
"Parkerizing, bonderizing, phosphating, or phosphatizing is a method of protecting a steel surface from corrosion and increasing its resistance to wear through the application of a chemical phosphate conversion coating."

Personally, I favor Duracoat Black Oxide paint (spray) as you have the option to cure by either oven heating or by air drying after the application.
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VHT caliper paint. Black.
Clean, apply, bake.
I preheat the metal before spraying.
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I used auto parts store, hi-temp engine spray paint on a solid brass fireplace surround. Had to give the brass a light roughing with sand paper first to insure the paint wouldn't run.

Used about 3 or 4 very lightly applied coats.

My fireplace gets really hot and in almost 20 years, the paint has not let me down.

I used a flat paint, not gloss.
I'm still surprise it's lasted so long.
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I like it, that's a very nice restoration
I used this paint on a couple of rifles, I really like the color of it but I did have an issue with it.
I wrapped black tape around some metal studs to hang the rifles on the wall, the black tape ate the paint.

Most of my other rifles I used Dura coat or Epoxy, neither one of those had any
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Rustoleum 7777 was a perfect match to FN paint. Baked it at 180* for two hours and it holds up very well.
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