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Old September 15, 2019, 09:06   #1
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Bent my first flat

A buddy dropped off a flat and some jigs several months ago. I finally got around to them. Bent the flat - seems AOK. Will need some tweaking for bolt carrier though ( rather usual I gather ) . Where does one find all the spacers and interior bits that are used for reinforcements in receiver ?. Have a barrel with trunion marked FMP - who made it ?. I figure I can press barrel out and reinstall same as it came out to keep headspace AOK . I also noted that the charging handle looks like it had a plastic or rubber piece on it - can that part be found ?.
Not a fan of HK design anything but it's a fun project for sure. Also my buttstock has no provision for a sling. It does have an oval mould or maybe pressed in oval piece on the top comb like it was meant to be a sling boss ...?.
Also does anyone make a decent windage adjustable sight to put on a G3 build ?. I have a cetme rear sight but I hate them almost as I hate the G3 drum sight.
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Old September 15, 2019, 13:20   #2
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Many of the the small bits and pieces you may need are available at several web sites. IIRC, you will need 7 US parts to complete your build, IAW 922R specifications.

Google-fu for HK Rifle parts:

https://www.google.com/search?q=HK+r...hrome&ie=UTF-8

Google-fu for Hk Rifle US made parts:

https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C...4dUDCAs&uact=5
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Old September 15, 2019, 14:28   #3
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Google RTG parts and HKparts. Between the two of them they will have all you need. Do not press the barrel out as there is no need. Learn about the correct way to check bolt gap from google or from the ARS web site as Mark has great pictures and text on the correct way to assemble these rifles. You can PM me if you have any questions
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Old September 15, 2019, 16:34   #4
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Google RTG parts and HKparts. Between the two of them they will have all you need. Do not press the barrel out as there is no need. Learn about the correct way to check bolt gap from google or from the ARS web site as Mark has great pictures and text on the correct way to assemble these rifles. You can PM me if you have any questions
Ok , It looked as though I need to put the trunion in by itself then cocking tube assy. The barrel has a spot welded on factory front sight assy and it looked as though it would be a bugger to get it on with trunion and c-tube all at once. I deleted google a long time ago from my browsers . Never had much luck with it without getting misdirected a lot !. I definitely need to look mor einto this, thanks.
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Old September 15, 2019, 17:13   #5
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Go here, read until your eyes cross. Take a break, come back and read some more. You are already on the wrong path and need some correction in your plan so read and learn, Grasshopper. Save yourself some expensive mistakes.

http://www.weaponsguild.com/forum/index.php?board=26.0

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I deleted google a long time ago from my browsers . Never had much luck with it without getting misdirected a lot !. I definitely need to look mor einto this, thanks.
https://duckduckgo.com
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Old September 19, 2019, 19:47   #7
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Go here, read until your eyes cross. Take a break, come back and read some more. You are already on the wrong path and need some correction in your plan so read and learn, Grasshopper. Save yourself some expensive mistakes.

http://www.weaponsguild.com/forum/index.php?board=26.0

http://www.militaryfirearm.com/Forum...ding-Resources
Got in tonight from indy and cant see anything on weapons guild without signing up. Looked at the other link and it seems from the link that trunnion comes first and cock tube second. If so then I need to drill out welds on front sight and knock it off. Kinda was hoping to avoid that. Seems also that ONLY tig welding is the way to go. Don't have access to that. The ARS website seems to lean on the HK build as being the most difficult to get right due to all the welding and alignment issues. I see the "straightening mandrel" is something not in the kit/jig stuff I was given. Oh well was not an HK fan anyhow.
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You don't have to repress the barrel, you don't have to remove the triple tree, and you can assemble the rifle with these installed. In fact, having an original CETME barreled trunnion assembly makes the build much, much more user friendly as it helps eliminate some alignment issues as well as eliminating the need to press the barrel for proper bolt gap, providing it was good when the rifle was demilled.
TIG welding, while ideal, isn't required. Many use MIG. I have and so far the build has gone just fine.
If your folding job was well done you won't need a straightening mandrel, there are many ways to message and tweak the receiver into shape without one.
All this info is out there hence my recommendation to read it. If you aren't willing to sign up for WG to get access to that vast amount of info then you're right, your interest in the rifle is way below what it will take to successfully assemble the rifle and it function safely. These aren't easy for an HK building green horn and you've already figured out why people screw together ARs and FALs all day and never touch HK type roller guns.
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Old September 20, 2019, 09:30   #9
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You don't have to repress the barrel, you don't have to remove the triple tree, and you can assemble the rifle with these installed. In fact, having an original CETME barreled trunnion assembly makes the build much, much more user friendly as it helps eliminate some alignment issues as well as eliminating the need to press the barrel for proper bolt gap, providing it was good when the rifle was demilled.
TIG welding, while ideal, isn't required. Many use MIG. I have and so far the build has gone just fine.
If your folding job was well done you won't need a straightening mandrel, there are many ways to message and tweak the receiver into shape without one.
All this info is out there hence my recommendation to read it. If you aren't willing to sign up for WG to get access to that vast amount of info then you're right, your interest in the rifle is way below what it will take to successfully assemble the rifle and it function safely. These aren't easy for an HK building green horn and you've already figured out why people screw together ARs and FALs all day and never touch HK type roller guns.
I won't give up on it yet. I have a spare used bolt & carrier I can use as a "mandrel" . In playing around with it , it seemed like getting the cocking tube in place with barrel assy that has front sight to be problematic. I right off thought it was a plus to have a complete barrel with sight to save a lot of alignment , just does not seem to want to go together that way. I'll have to get into that site and look over all the tips. And by far this is more fun than building a leggo block AR , as it's from the ground up.
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I won't give up on it yet. I have a spare used bolt & carrier I can use as a "mandrel" . In playing around with it , it seemed like getting the cocking tube in place with barrel assy that has front sight to be problematic. I right off thought it was a plus to have a complete barrel with sight to save a lot of alignment , just does not seem to want to go together that way. I'll have to get into that site and look over all the tips. And by far this is more fun than building a leggo block AR , as it's from the ground up.
There ya go, that's more like it. Any swinging dick can screw together an AR or FAL but it takes skill to assemble a roller gun. I'm still working on mine and if it works when I'm done the feeling of accomplishment will be worth it.
Keep us updated.
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Old September 27, 2019, 17:50   #11
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Got to tweaking the flat today after a little welding. The barrel and cock tube assy I plan on using are I think G3. The couple carrier /bolt groups I have are cetme.....I figured this out as the cock tube assy has a considerably shorter and smaller inside diameter part that the carrier group 'extension' rides in to cock . The german piece is noticeably shorter and won't accept a cetme carrier. I took a cetme cock tube apart to note the differences. I was thinking of shortening the cetme piece in the cock tube and shortening the cetme carrier extension....but before I go full retard figured I'd ask if anyone had run into the same parts issues and their solution(s).
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Old September 27, 2019, 17:57   #12
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There ya go, that's more like it. Any swinging dick can screw together an AR or FAL but it takes skill to assemble a roller gun. I'm still working on mine and if it works when I'm done the feeling of accomplishment will be worth it.
Keep us updated.

I still have my Cetme kit, to put together.
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