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I never ordered anything from Johnny 86 40.38%
I ordered, and received product timely 59 27.70%
I ordered and received product unacceptably late 10 4.69%
I ordered, and haven't received shit 42 19.72%
I just like stirring shit 13 6.10%
I made multiple orders - one or more arrived late or never arrived 3 1.41%
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Old March 04, 2017, 21:59   #151
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This dude & his mags is a complete write off for me. So be it. I wouldn't own a Moses mag if someone shipped me a box of em free. Done is done., he is persona non grata to me.
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Old March 04, 2017, 22:43   #152
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Don't be some "holier than thou" dick. Getting ripped off for hundreds of dollars makes one want to bitch a little. It's cathartic. If you don't want to listen to it, don't read the thread. And for the record, I don't want this sack of shit banned till he grows a pair and comes on here to explain himself. I don't think anyone is holding the mods responsible for anything. But this guy has made a lot of money off the people on this site.
You must be referring to me, yes? Because holier than thou I am not. I can be a dick, it comes natural.
Something I am not is a whiny little bitch that pisses and moans because somebody twisted my titty, much as a few people here are acting. I handle it like a man, deed done, and I don't look for the closest body to point a finger at to place both blame and responsibility to take action.

Do you honestly want to go through life blaming others for your inaction? Sound like a fuk'n liberal to me. The deed is done, you've been ripped by a retailer, handle it like fuk'n man and quit the bitching already.

Show me where I've disagreed that everyone who's been ripped has a gripe.
Getting pissy because I'm right isn't going to get your money back or mags in your bag so you might consider refocusing your anger on the source of your problem. Or does someone need to tell you how to do that, too?
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Old March 04, 2017, 22:46   #153
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This dude & his mags is a complete write off for me. So be it. I wouldn't own a Moses mag if someone shipped me a box of em free. Done is done., he is persona non grata to me.
Here's a guy who gets it. For the weak minded, observe how he's made up his mind, how he has resolve, how he's arrived at a point where he can move on like he's wiped the dog shit off his boots strolled on. No pissing and moaning, no bitching to the mods.
Some of you snowflakes could learn something from this guy.
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Old March 04, 2017, 23:08   #154
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To put this into perspective, this is not just about Moses mags that were purchased in the last few months from his website. This has been going on since at least the summer of 2014 when I sent him over $250 in PP and money orders for four muzzle devices (two brakes, and two of his Hurricanes). I still have the Falfiles PMs and personal emails saved. A total of 27 emails and PMs have been sent between the two of us since July 23, 2014 and July 28, 2016. In most of his replies, he states he's just about done with them and will be shipping them any day now, plus will be throwing in a couple of Moses mags for my patience. When I followed up because I never received them, it was about how he has had more family issues that has delayed him.....BUT, he's gonna jump right on it and get my stuff out in the next week. I have since given up on expecting any product from him and have written it off since our last communication. So, no, it's not just about mags ordered from his website. It's also about his business ethic here on the Falfiles. So, you say maybe he may be laid up and can't respond to all those who are waiting. Well, for over two years, he's apparently been able to reply to me in 27 communications giving me excuses , and has had recent contact with others on this thread who've given him a heads up on this subject, as well as offered their help. So, it's not just about Moses mags and "recent" purchases that he's not come through on. Ok, I'm done with my rant.
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Truly a shit storm that's been a long time brewing.

I do feel bad for those who have money tied up in all this. Looking back on it all it makes me wonder, why did it really take about five or six years to develop these? And to go through all that effort and work to ignore it now. Boggles my mind.
I don't know what his deal is, he hasn't responded to texts, not just about this but about anything. We'll know eventually and when we do there will be understanding, and possibly some chances to look in the mirror.

Regardless, I don't have a dog in this hunt. What got my ire up was people bitching about the mods and no matter what one's opinion about that is, Gary pretty much summed up the feelings of the mods. Is what it is, nobody has to like it.
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It is sad. For I have never ordered a Moses mag. And to think that one day, they may be like hens teeth.
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Old March 05, 2017, 00:02   #157
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Truly a shit storm that's been a long time brewing.

I do feel bad for those who have money tied up in all this. Looking back on it all it makes me wonder, why did it really take about five or six years to develop these? And to go through all that effort and work to ignore it now. Boggles my mind.
I don't know what his deal is, he hasn't responded to texts, not just about this but about anything. We'll know eventually and when we do there will be understanding, and possibly some chances to look in the mirror.

Regardless, I don't have a dog in this hunt. What got my ire up was people bitching about the mods and no matter what one's opinion about that is, Gary pretty much summed up the feelings of the mods. Is what it is, nobody has to like it.
Yup...

And, to avoid any misunderstanding, my 'no dog' comment was not directed at you...

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It is sad. For I have never ordered a Moses mag. And to think that one day, they may be like hens teeth.
Perhaps one of the best after markets mags ever developed from what I've read here. Time money and effort thrown away for what reason ? Let alone one's personal and business reputation.
Something very odd about that.

I wonder if the manufacturing rights are available ?
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Old March 05, 2017, 08:40   #159
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Perhaps one of the best after markets mags ever developed from what I've read here. Time money and effort thrown away for what reason ? Let alone one's personal and business reputation.
Something very odd about that.

I wonder if the manufacturing rights are available ?
The gun business is full of people and products over the years that have
frustrated many of us. I think John played on our sympathy because of his encounter with ATF years ago. No one makes a product that can't be duplicated
elsewhere. I was at the Houstex Machine Tool trade show last week and saw
some very cool stuff being used to reverse engineer almost anything. I could
have that mag or mags in an stl file in a matter of 8 hrs and have it printed the next day.
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Old March 05, 2017, 10:53   #160
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The gun business is full of people and products over the years that have
frustrated many of us. I think John played on our sympathy because of his encounter with ATF years ago. No one makes a product that can't be duplicated
elsewhere. I was at the Houstex Machine Tool trade show last week and saw
some very cool stuff being used to reverse engineer almost anything. I could
have that mag or mags in an stl file in a matter of 8 hrs and have it printed the next day.
A 3d scanner and subsequent 3d printer could pop of a new mold in a matter of hours. The legal battle in court over proprietary copyrighted design could take years to sort out. The market cap doesn't justify doing it or else it would have already been done. Just look how Samsung jacked the iPhone. If it made fiscal sense somebody would go there. As it stands this rifle is a niche market and only dwindling in size.
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A 3d scanner and subsequent 3d printer could pop of a new mold in a matter of hours. The legal battle in court over proprietary copyrighted design could take years to sort out. The market cap doesn't justify doing it or else it would have already been done. Just look how Samsung jacked the iPhone. If it made fiscal sense somebody would go there. As it stands this rifle is a niche market and only dwindling in size.

Yes...but.....DSA was wanting to buy around a thousand of the MM's. You take that and make a few variants for the Rock River and the Scar and you could keep
busy. The plastic FAL mag is not new by any stretch of the imagination, I have six thermolds in my stash. They are useless except for the 3 parts issue.
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Old March 05, 2017, 11:21   #162
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I had ordered four of the Dark gray mags, 9/17/16, according to the marketplace thread they were in stock at the time, and I said to send black ones if not. I emailed him 11/7 to see if they had shipped as I had not received anything or a shipment notice.
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I will get your order out this week!
You will receive a tracking number by email.

Thanks for your business!
Let me know if you have any questions when you receive the mags!
Ok fair enough, I thought. I see this post and figure it'll be a while unless they show up very soon. http://www.falfiles.com/forums/showp...&postcount=581

Then this thread pops up. I also noticed DSA does not list the magazines now, in stock or not.

I am getting the feeling I'm a bit SOL about receiving anything at the moment, except a hassle.

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Yes...but.....DSA was wanting to buy around a thousand of the MM's. You take that and make a few variants for the Rock River and the Scar and you could keep
busy. The plastic FAL mag is not new by any stretch of the imagination, I have six thermolds in my stash. They are useless except for the 3 parts issue.
He already had these made and available for the SCAR, I have some. This whole thing sucks. An excellent product off the market and customers out $$.
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After waiting for 4 months , with no response to numerous e-mails , phone voice mail , and 1 letter requesting "the favor of a reply" ; I contacted the CC today via e-mail . Did not have the patience to wait for an unknown time , with the sun shining outside . I will post response from inquiry , OR inform if the mags "mysteriously" ship , once a credit is requested ...
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Yup...

And, to avoid any misunderstanding, my 'no dog' comment was not directed at you...

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I took no meaning of such from your remark, my friend.
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Old March 05, 2017, 20:18   #166
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I imagine a guy smoking your checks in bong hits, since he has discovered legal pot

That may not be the case so good luck guys....
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I imagine a guy smoking your checks in bong hits, since he has discovered legal pot

That may not be the case so good luck guys....
I would wager my left nut this conclusion isn't the case here....But everyone's welcome to put their respective Nut's wherever most comfortable.
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Well, that pretty much sucks for all concerned.
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Sucks more for Johns family. Just saying.
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Old March 06, 2017, 19:09   #170
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Sucks more for Johns family. Just saying.
I was including them. John, too.
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Whoa... That's heavy.
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Old March 06, 2017, 20:20   #172
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Wow that's a surprise. I'm sure no one here would have hoped for this outcome.
Sorry to hear he's no longer with us. It would have been helpful to have known his condition was grave instead of just having some medical issues.....

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There was a link up there now it is gone, regarding this apparent Obit. I see another one lower down here.
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The original Post #168 was deleted for some reason (the obit)

Also what's strange is this thread was started on Jan. 27, and Johnny died Dec. 31 of last year. Apparently, some of the posters on this thread had claimed they were in contact with him or a mutual friend of his since this thread was started. Makes you wonder who they might have been talking to, since Johnny had passed. Perhaps someone in his family was making the replies, and not Johnny himself. (see posts #54, #55, #56, #67, #139, #140)
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Are we sure this is the "Moses"? I thought he had posted about having a son? None listed in the survivors, maybe he was a stepson? If it's him, this sucks for many reasons.
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I don't think this is our Johnny, the family does not compute. He has a sister which I know by the name Johnna which is not mentioned. Also I don't think he got married again after Barbara, and had no kids afaik.
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Okay then....he's still with us and you can now be pissed again.
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That is not Moses - that's a different Johnny Glover. That obit says he is survived by his wife Marsha, and daughters names blah, blah, blah.

Nope.
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Scrolling down this last page and accepting I would never get the mags, then a slight sigh of relief that I probably still won't get them.. but maybe possibly...
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On the lighter note, whether this is him or not; this probably doesn't change anything.
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No it's not him.... I'm texting with him now. "Said" he is going to do his best to get on here to explain. That the docs have him on new meds that seem to work.....Wether or not he does, I don't know. Just stating what was just texted
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He just sent me another saying his computer has been on the "fritz" , but that he does anwser texts.But he thinks he has his computer up and working again, and if so he.ll be up here tonight. Curious how I got an email from him when he sent me the mags recently, but that's neither here or their. .Just wanted to give this last info....I'm out of the Moses drama now, ha. Good luck to everyone waiting and to Moses health if that's the issue
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The lack of medical details is kind of strange for me to experience but I guess it is out of respect for somebody's privacy.

Being raised by a surgeon I get all the gory details of medical issues.

This thread is getting a bit depressing but there is still some hope.
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Thats some funny shit, dude....
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Well, this should be interesting. Some sort of new f*ckery afoot, no doubt.

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Yeah, I heard he was doin' cartwheels and back flips in his front yard when someone posted he was takin' a dirt nap.
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Old March 07, 2017, 20:25   #189
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Stop waiting ...
Capital One issued a credit for the mags . Non delivery of goods , and failure of merchant to reply to multiple requests for information . Best wishes to all who continue to "wait" , and good luck to Moses .
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now is when it gets interesting

Although I had already contacted my credit card company and they have told me I would receive a credit, I have continued to follow this thread out of interest.
Regardless of the reason for all this, be it medical or less legitimate, I think the Moses Mag business has probably reached a critical point of no return.
Credit card companies are applying pressure and he's likely not just cut off by now, but facing demands for refund or else legal action. IRRC someone said they had notified postal inspectors; those guys knock on your door and it gets serious fast.
In short, we are most definitely in the end game. Bankruptcy?
Nonetheless the design and tooling is an asset.
And anything going forward with "Moses" attached is toxic.
So I think there is a good chance we will see Moses Mags rise from the ashes. Albeit made by someone else and almost certainly renamed to erase the stigma attached to the name. Hopefully that won't take years, though it might.
At this stage, that revival of a fine product is most of what I am interested in.
The person no longer interests me.
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There are a lot of "I's" in that post.
When did this become about you?
You are already in process of being credited and should be made whole again.

Not defending Johnny as I might have set a record of waiting for him to deliver after being paid in advance.
The Moses Mag is and outstanding product that I have yet to hear bad testimony about. It speaks for itself.
The business owner is another matter and I doubt the name of the mag will be affected if it is sold by a new owner.
If it stays under the current ownership then you may be right.
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The business owner is another matter and I doubt the name of the mag will be affected if it is sold by a new owner.
I would respectfully disagree with this statement.

Not the kiss of death, perhaps, but would take some good PR and a bit of marketing, I would think.
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There are a lot of "I's" in that post.
When did this become about you?
"I" can only speak for myself. My statements and opinion are mine, so not sure what other pronoun you think is better?. No one has to agree; this is a forum. But as member of this forum I, and everyone else, should have a right to speak freely within proper bounds without motive being questioned by a peer.

The title of this string is "Moses mags MIA". It's not about me, it's about Moses mags... and therefore about: 1) a lot of people who at best are inconvenienced through no fault of their own, and some who I fear will be out a lot of money, and 2) a product important to our common interest that we all hope to see be reliably available in the future.
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"I" can only speak for myself. My statements and opinion are mine, so not sure what other pronoun you think is better?. No one has to agree; this is a forum. But as member of this forum I, and everyone else, should have a right to speak freely within proper bounds without motive being questioned by a peer.

The title of this string is "Moses mags MIA". It's not about me, it's about Moses mags... and therefore about: 1) a lot of people who at best are inconvenienced through no fault of their own, and some who I fear will be out a lot of money, and 2) a product important to our common interest that we all hope to see be reliably available in the future.
Well said.
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"I" can only speak for myself. My statements and opinion are mine, so not sure what other pronoun you think is better?. No one has to agree; this is a forum. But as member of this forum I, and everyone else, should have a right to speak freely within proper bounds without motive being questioned by a peer.

The title of this string is "Moses mags MIA". It's not about me, it's about Moses mags... and therefore about: 1) a lot of people who at best are inconvenienced through no fault of their own, and some who I fear will be out a lot of money, and 2) a product important to our common interest that we all hope to see be reliably available in the future.
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"I" can only speak for myself. My statements and opinion are mine, so not sure what other pronoun you think is better?. No one has to agree; this is a forum. But as member of this forum I, and everyone else, should have a right to speak freely within proper bounds without motive being questioned by a peer.

The title of this string is "Moses mags MIA". It's not about me, it's about Moses mags... and therefore about: 1) a lot of people who at best are inconvenienced through no fault of their own, and some who I fear will be out a lot of money, and 2) a product important to our common interest that we all hope to see be reliably available in the future.
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Yeah,

Moses just posted today about his SCAR mags. He is alive and on the board.

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