Israeli FAL Handguard spacer rings

Douglas Wozny · January 20, 2009, 11:34

Looking for two (2) of the clip/spacers that clip onto the gas tube and fit into the grooves cut into the wood portion of the Israeli handguards.

I checked SARCO's website and they list the "spacers". Does anyone know if they REALLY have them?

L/FN · January 20, 2009, 16:09

I have aftermarket h-grds spacer rings available.

2 std spacers are $20.00 shipped.

Add $2.00 (optional) to insure.

Thanks
Larry

**J. Armstrong** · January 20, 2009, 16:42

Normal issue was one spacer in the forward slot, rear slot empty. Don't ask me why, I dunno

That said, everyone seems to insist on putting two on, so have at it

wonderdog451 · January 20, 2009, 17:45

that would explain why I could only find 1 in my parts stash!! it is interesting to know that even though the hand guards are cut for 2 clips ,only 1 was actually used.

**W.E.G.** · January 20, 2009, 17:54

Quote:

Originally posted by L/FN
I have aftermarket h-grds spacer rings available.

2 std spacers are $20.00 shipped.

Add $2.00 (optional) to insure.

Thanks
Larry

Larry, is there a difference between the Heavy-Barrel spacers and the Light-Barrel spacers?

If so, can you describe?

Douglas Wozny · January 20, 2009, 19:01

W. E. G.

There is NO difference between the ORIGINAL Israeli spacers used on the heavy and standard barrel FAL. The orginials had a "C" profile and "snapped" over the gas tube. The open part of the "C" allowed for the larger diameter of the heavy barrel not to interfer. My understanding of "after marker" spacers is that they are "donuts" that slide unto the gas tube. To use the after marker spacers on a heavy barrel you must either notch the barrel (IMHO a bad idea) or relieve the outside diameter of the spacer.

Lee Carpentieri · January 20, 2009, 19:54

All the Israeli light barrel kits I have which is several have the full donut with no center lip and have a hole in them on the outside of the donut for water drainage. From what I was told by the former lead engineer at the Israeli Government arsenal from 1953 to 1978 was that the spacers could be used in either slot according to the troops arm lenght and where their hand would be on the wooden forearm grip.

L/FN · January 20, 2009, 20:11

H-grd spacer line up.

TL Aftermarket std.
TR Aftermarket HB
BL Izzy std
BR Izzy HB

Std h-grds will accept 1-2 std spacers

HB h-grds on std bbl will use 1 std spacer unless grill is cut for 2.

HB h-grds on HB bbl will use 1 HB spacer unless grill is cut for 2.

Thar ya go!
Larry

**JAB75** · January 20, 2009, 22:44

Here is the setup I used on my DS Izzy HB.

The spacer ring was fabricated from a .500" steel shaft collar that was opened up to .700" on the drill press. The set screw hole was ground out on a bench grinder when the 'horseshoe cut' was made. The legs were finished by rounding with a Dremel. Tool marks were removed with an emery cloth and finish 'blue' done in a ziplock baggie. Total cost around 3 bucks. Works great with the Izzy hand guards.

Other parts are:

DS Izzy length gas piston
Izzy gas regulator
IMBEL thick walled gas tube, chrome lined
Belgian gas tube nut from FWRA SA kit.

-JAB75

*corrected spacer ring id to .700"

**W.E.G.** · January 20, 2009, 22:55

That's what I'm talkin' bout!

Moved to the FAQ/reference forum.

**Brush511** · January 21, 2009, 00:40

Are the originals steel or aluminum? I thought I read here somewhere they were aluminum but it may have been some aftermarket ones.

**W.E.G.** · January 21, 2009, 00:48

I have aftermarket aluminum discs on my Izzy LB clone.

**Brush511** · January 21, 2009, 10:11

Quote:

Originally posted by W.E.G.
I have aftermarket aluminum discs on my Izzy LB clone.

Thanks W.E.G. I think I'll build one out of aluminum.

**W.E.G.** · January 21, 2009, 10:16

FALCarbine · February 21, 2009, 11:57

I put both on mine for aesthetics. However the rear one is loose and rattles a bit, so I thought about taking it off. Then I noticed the front sling swivel rattles too, so I left it alone. My spacers are aluminum and I guess they're new because they look too nice to be surplus.

Rahatlakhoom · September 06, 2011, 20:12

Uh, I feel so dumb.
I thought these spacers somehow fit around the barrel.
I can see from JAB's photo that they fit around the gas tube.

S.B. · January 28, 2019, 12:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by W.E.G.

Larry, is there a difference between the Heavy-Barrel spacers and the Light-Barrel spacers?

If so, can you describe?

I always thought the LB one were donuts(go completely around the barrel) and the HB ones were just cup shaped(don't go completely around the barrel)?
Steve

jam762 · February 01, 2019, 15:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rahatlakhoom

Uh, I feel so dumb.
I thought these spacers somehow fit around the barrel.
I can see from JAB's photo that they fit around the gas tube.

Quote:

Originally Posted by S.B.

I always thought the LB one were donuts(go completely around the barrel) and the HB ones were just cup shaped(don't go completely around the barrel)?
Steve

S.B. · February 01, 2019, 16:41

I do apologize, they do go around the gas tube?
Steve

**gunplumber** · February 01, 2019, 18:31

Exact repo of original LB (next batch has significant price increase)

https://arizonaresponsesystems.com/p...d-barrel-repo/

My repo of the FALO - looks the same from the top, but installs like a LB over the gas tube

https://arizonaresponsesystems.com/p...-barrel-repro/

Scarce original FALO for comparison.

https://arizonaresponsesystems.com/w...-spacer-hb.jpg

**gunplumber** · February 01, 2019, 18:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lee Carpentieri

the spacers could be used in either slot according to the troops arm lenght and where their hand would be on the wooden forearm grip.

Yeah, - cool story. Because there's so much room on a LB handguard to choose from (not).

Chester Nimitz · February 04, 2019, 01:38

My Apex sourced Israeli Light Barrel parts kit came with only one spacer.

The gas piston tube parkerized finish is slightly worn, and conforming to, the circular dimensions of only one handguard spacer. That band of finish wear on the gas piston tube also lines up with the forward most handguard slot. (closest to gas block)

Question: is the hole on the bottom of the hand guard spacer for drainage, or, a set screw?

gentlemanjoe · February 04, 2019, 02:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chester Nimitz

My Apex sourced Israeli Light Barrel parts kit came with only one spacer.

The gas piston tube parkerized finish is slightly worn, and conforming to, the circular dimensions of only one handguard spacer. That band of finish wear on the gas piston tube also lines up with the forward most handguard slot. (closest to gas block)

Question: is the hole on the bottom of the hand guard spacer for drainage, or, a set screw?

Drainage.

I have a couple of the original C clip spacers and about 4 of the donuts from I believe Leland. I'll try to get me a new photo account and post pics of the original C Clip spacers so folks know what to look for at the gunshows.

January 20, 2009, 11:34	#1
Douglas Wozny Registered FALaholic #: 4255 Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Colorado Springs CO Posts: 855	Israeli FAL Handguard spacer rings Looking for two (2) of the clip/spacers that clip onto the gas tube and fit into the grooves cut into the wood portion of the Israeli handguards. I checked SARCO's website and they list the "spacers". Does anyone know if they REALLY have them? __________________ The Wizard Air Dropable AND Ground Recoverable War is an act of force and to the application of that force there is no limit! So say the philosophers (Carl von Clausewitz b 1780 d 1831) of war. Necat omnes! Deus suos agnoscet. The application of the proper amount of high explosives can solve any problem. Last edited by Douglas Wozny; January 20, 2009 at 15:53.

January 20, 2009, 16:42	#3
J. Armstrong Minister of Amusement Gold Contributor FALaholic #: 13629 Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Montgomery County, PA Posts: 15,502	Normal issue was one spacer in the forward slot, rear slot empty. Don't ask me why, I dunno That said, everyone seems to insist on putting two on, so have at it __________________ "The ultimate result of shielding men from the effects of folly is to fill the world with fools" Herbert Spenser “I respect the government only in the sense that I respect any other dangerous predator who views me as food.” “The consolidation of the states into one vast empire, sure to be aggressive abroad and despotic at home, will be the certain precursor of ruin which has overwhelmed all that preceded it.” Robert E. Lee

January 20, 2009, 19:01	#6
Douglas Wozny Registered FALaholic #: 4255 Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Colorado Springs CO Posts: 855	W. E. G. There is NO difference between the ORIGINAL Israeli spacers used on the heavy and standard barrel FAL. The orginials had a "C" profile and "snapped" over the gas tube. The open part of the "C" allowed for the larger diameter of the heavy barrel not to interfer. My understanding of "after marker" spacers is that they are "donuts" that slide unto the gas tube. To use the after marker spacers on a heavy barrel you must either notch the barrel (IMHO a bad idea) or relieve the outside diameter of the spacer. __________________ The Wizard Air Dropable AND Ground Recoverable War is an act of force and to the application of that force there is no limit! So say the philosophers (Carl von Clausewitz b 1780 d 1831) of war. Necat omnes! Deus suos agnoscet. The application of the proper amount of high explosives can solve any problem.

January 20, 2009, 19:54	#7
Lee Carpentieri Registered FALaholic #: 4936 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Florida Where it's Hot and Humid Posts: 6,867	C spacer donuts All the Israeli light barrel kits I have which is several have the full donut with no center lip and have a hole in them on the outside of the donut for water drainage. From what I was told by the former lead engineer at the Israeli Government arsenal from 1953 to 1978 was that the spacers could be used in either slot according to the troops arm lenght and where their hand would be on the wooden forearm grip. __________________ Live life to the fullest, Because in the end there's only death and taxs.

January 20, 2009, 22:55	#10
W.E.G. FAL Files Administrator Silver Contributor FALaholic #: 1211 Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Virginia Posts: 41,062	That's what I'm talkin' bout! Moved to the FAQ/reference forum. __________________ . . . Ask me about the Mason-Dixon FAL Collectors Association.

January 20, 2009, 16:09	#2
L/FN Registered FALaholic #: 139 Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Kansas. Just Dust in the Wind Posts: 3,991	I have aftermarket h-grds spacer rings available. 2 std spacers are $20.00 shipped. Add $2.00 (optional) to insure. Thanks Larry

January 20, 2009, 17:45	#4
wonderdog451 Registered FALaholic #: 20069 Join Date: May 2006 Location: Warren,michigan Posts: 2,141	that would explain why I could only find 1 in my parts stash!! it is interesting to know that even though the hand guards are cut for 2 clips ,only 1 was actually used.

January 21, 2009, 00:40	#11
Brush511 Veteran Member Silver Contributor FALaholic #: 15553 Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: WA Posts: 1,017	Are the originals steel or aluminum? I thought I read here somewhere they were aluminum but it may have been some aftermarket ones. __________________ Dave Greag Dbubh Chlann Chatain Na bean do'n chat gun lamnainn! "...true FAL-loving activities like building an FAL in a secluded shop in remote areas of the American Redoubt." brunop

January 21, 2009, 00:48	#12
W.E.G. FAL Files Administrator Silver Contributor FALaholic #: 1211 Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Virginia Posts: 41,062	I have aftermarket aluminum discs on my Izzy LB clone. __________________ . . . Ask me about the Mason-Dixon FAL Collectors Association.

January 21, 2009, 10:16	#14
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February 21, 2009, 11:57	#15
FALCarbine Registered FALaholic #: 37636 Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Tampa Posts: 92	I put both on mine for aesthetics. However the rear one is loose and rattles a bit, so I thought about taking it off. Then I noticed the front sling swivel rattles too, so I left it alone. My spacers are aluminum and I guess they're new because they look too nice to be surplus.

September 06, 2011, 20:12	#16
Rahatlakhoom Registered FALaholic #: 25271 Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Indiana Posts: 620	Uh, I feel so dumb. I thought these spacers somehow fit around the barrel. I can see from JAB's photo that they fit around the gas tube. __________________ Gazelle, A Tale of the Black Space Force Get your copy here: http://www.lulu.com/spotlight/marcandersonbooks

February 01, 2019, 16:41	#19
S.B. Registered FALaholic #: 81718 Join Date: Nov 2018 Location: Pontiac, Illinois Posts: 220	I do apologize, they do go around the gas tube? Steve __________________ The Original Point and Click Interface Was a S&W

February 01, 2019, 18:31	#20
gunplumber Arrogant Bastard Gold Contributor FALaholic #: 96 Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Surprise, AZ Posts: 26,434	Exact repo of original LB (next batch has significant price increase) https://arizonaresponsesystems.com/p...d-barrel-repo/ My repo of the FALO - looks the same from the top, but installs like a LB over the gas tube https://arizonaresponsesystems.com/p...-barrel-repro/ Scarce original FALO for comparison. https://arizonaresponsesystems.com/w...-spacer-hb.jpg __________________ T. Mark Graham, Master Gunsmith Arizona Response Systems, LLC

February 04, 2019, 01:38	#22
Chester Nimitz Registered FALaholic #: 28033 Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: USA Posts: 187	My Apex sourced Israeli Light Barrel parts kit came with only one spacer. The gas piston tube parkerized finish is slightly worn, and conforming to, the circular dimensions of only one handguard spacer. That band of finish wear on the gas piston tube also lines up with the forward most handguard slot. (closest to gas block) Question: is the hole on the bottom of the hand guard spacer for drainage, or, a set screw?

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