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Old October 07, 2019, 18:36   #1
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Awesome pre 86' ammo score

600 rounds for $400? I couldn't find the cash fast enough.





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Old October 07, 2019, 19:31   #2
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Looks good. Repackaged in Latin America but the real deal. I bet Bad Bob at Fed Ord imported that ammo in the 1980s.
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Old October 07, 2019, 19:41   #3
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Israeli cartuchos made in Belgium?
At least it isn't the TZ kaboom stuff.
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Old October 07, 2019, 20:15   #4
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Israeli cartuchos made in Belgium?
At least it isn't the TZ kaboom stuff.
Yes, but those are CBC “kaboom” boxes!
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Old October 07, 2019, 21:14   #5
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Looks good. Repackaged in Latin America but the real deal. I bet Bad Bob at Fed Ord imported that ammo in the 1980s.
Any idea what the deal is between izzy M61 with hebrew headstamp vs FN contract headstamp? Did FN actually do any contract M61 for israel?
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Old October 07, 2019, 21:22   #6
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Any idea what the deal is between izzy M61 with hebrew headstamp vs FN contract headstamp? Did FN actually do any contract M61 for israel?
FN did sell Israel a lot of 7.62x51 AP ammunition. The Boxer primed TZ headstamp AP was loaded in Israel, though I wonder if they purchased the bullets from abroad initially.
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Old October 16, 2019, 21:25   #7
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I have to ask, what is the deal with the izzy and latin kaboom stuff???
I steer clear of it because.....but would like the skinny from the files family..


Side note, i have had 3 case rim blowouts from supposedly fresh lake city 2004 dated ammo...2 in different fals and 1 in my cetme.. so i have about 300 rds of unusable shit sitting in my garage...or i think i still do,i may have sold it for components..damn now i need to go check...
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Old October 17, 2019, 09:02   #8
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Side note, i have had 3 case rim blowouts from supposedly fresh lake city 2004 dated ammo...2 in different fals and 1 in my cetme.. so i have about 300 rds of unusable shit sitting in my garage...or i think i still do,i may have sold it for components..damn now i need to go check...
I'd guess someone selling reloads. Matching dates on the headstamp? Primers crimped in?
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Old October 17, 2019, 09:11   #9
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Here's some ammo porn from Knob Creek(mostly for Chris). I did buy some .308 API and .310 API.
Chris: Any idea which US API is the old/new? These are boat tail.






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Old October 17, 2019, 09:13   #10
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Last Friday evening.
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Old October 17, 2019, 09:16   #11
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I have to ask, what is the deal with the izzy and latin kaboom stuff???
Here's a thread on the Israeli TZ80. There are a number of other threads on the Israeli & other problematic rounds in the archives.
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Old October 17, 2019, 11:56   #12
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Here's some ammo porn from Knob Creek(mostly for Chris). I did buy some .308 API and .310 API.
Chris: Any idea which US API is the old/new? These are boat tail.






Are the “US 30cal” API bullets just resized 7.62x54R?
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Old October 18, 2019, 10:44   #13
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"As early as 1942, Frankford Arsenal began the development of a Cal .30 armor-piercing incendiary cartridge, one that would be more effective against armored and self-sealing aircraft fuel tanks. The first experimental bullets were nothing more than AP M2 bullets with the lead point filler replaced with an incendiary mixture. These eventually evolved into a new bullet, a boattail design ,but still using the M2 hardened core and a small amount of incendiary mixture. The new cartridge was designated the T15. In 1946 it was adopted as the Cal .30 API M14.

Because of the small amount of incendiary mixture, the M14 was never very effective. In the late 1940s, an effort was made to increase the incendiary effect by reducing the core size and shape and using the space to increase the incendiary mixture to over 4 times the original amount. The new flat base bullet (T1E48) was loaded as the Cal .30 API M14A1."
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Old October 18, 2019, 11:45   #14
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I purchased some "marked Israeli" 308 or 7.62 x51 AP Ammo from FedOrd back around 1985-87 time frame but it wasn't black tip.

Will post headstamp pics ASAP.

I never went by the moniker of Bad Bob, some others that post here know me as Machine Gun Bob however.


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Looks good. Repackaged in Latin America but the real deal. I bet Bad Bob at Fed Ord imported that ammo in the 1980s.
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Old October 18, 2019, 12:22   #15
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I purchased some "marked Israeli" 308 or 7.62 x51 AP Ammo from FedOrd back around 1985-87 time frame but it wasn't black tip.

Will post headstamp pics ASAP.

I never went by the moniker of Bad Bob, some others that post here know me as Machine Gun Bob however.
May have been tumbled to clean/pretty it up but the double cannalure will ID it as a “special purpose” round (AP, Tracer, etc).
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Old October 18, 2019, 15:42   #16
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The ammo pictured in OP's post looks a little tarnished and corroded and would recommend it be sent to me for proper disposal. Of course so will provide this service at no charge as thats just the kind of guy I am.

As to the API pictures for sale at Knob Creek, especially the pulls price is a bit high if not extremely high by my standards. Of course majority of API pulls I buy come from former Soviet nations and are shipped via post which they say is legal when drop in their post office and mark boxes as reloading projectiles to which have never had any issues with customs or postal system on my end. Luckily filled my lifetime quota several years ago and while I keep up with prices and availability through my former suppliers and the ammo collectors group don't buy anything internationally anymore except body armor and uniform items which I find interesting.

Noticed a guy selling partial SAS issue TICS oversuits that conceal your thermal signature and also greatly reduce effectiveness of I.R. illuminators in conjunction with standard night vision for $649. Contacted some of my U.K. surplus armor suppliers and scored not only the main poncho with hood that all the eBay seller has but got the leg pieces, gauntlet length gloves, sheer face cover and an entire bag of 2"x6"/8" scraps to fill out as a ghillie suit. Wife says it makes me totAlly invisible to both my first generation and Gen 2 Leupold Trackers and till actually moving around toll break a sweat can't see using the ATN Thor thermal scope and then says have about the thermal signature of a turtle, unless purposely looking for me.would likely not notice the warm spots when get something cold behind me.

Same vendors I use for U.K., Russian, different NATO armor also sell magazines and ammo with no qualms to ship to U.S. While the loaded ammo on stripper clips looked totally legit have found most loose packed or repackaged API with silver tips to be pulled and reloaded combloc projectiles. Can push 0.311" API pulls through a 0.308" sizer and load into proper headstamped brass using milspec bullet and primer sealant and 99.9% of people have no idea have been snookered and advise lurking over at the ammo collectors discussion group to learn the tells so don't pay collector prices for counterfeit API.

The reloaded combloc will flash and penetrate but not near as well as U.S. and other NATO issue does. Have bought small amounts at gun shows just to.test and verify it was counterfeit and always take sellers business card so on odd occasion find real deal API can contact them and buy more. Had an opportunity to buy loaded totally legit 338 RAUFOS a couple years back and paid the full retail price but had seller pull the bullets and ship me the brass and projectiles separately then reloaded with my own powder. While expensive have even loaded enough of the projectiles in 338 Federal cartridges so can have a magazine or two in my overt rifle vest set up for use with my AR 10's in 338 Federal but loaded most back into their 338 Lapua Mag cases and don't know if that makes them countefeit or not but since have no plans to ever sell it's not an issue.

Have a lot of fun shooting the combloc pull down API as it makes a nice flash, especially in low light and doesn't burn holes in better gongs and plates past 200 yards unless pushing very fast with something like a 300 Win Mag. Have found good old.fashioned black tip pulls to be as effective if not more effective based on lots of the combloc pulls. Some seem to be better than others and assume it's the difference if intended to x39 or x54, plant manufactured, country made in or what but not all is equal and not anywhere as effective as real USGI issue API. Everyone should have some of both, the combloc pulls for playing with and the USGI/NATO issue for "collecting".
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