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Old December 13, 2019, 11:49   #51
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Yep,

In both the US and UK both parties want illegal immigrants. Easy votes and cheap disposable labor. Not much is going to change even with Brexit or The Wall.

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It is dumbfounding how gullible and euphoric the voters are.

These election victories and the projected changes are the R equivalent of the Obama supporter claiming "Obama gunna pay my mortgage".





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Old December 13, 2019, 11:57   #52
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Its not whining and at least at the higher echelons of their belief system, they are not dumb....the people who lost this election are like the ones here that lost in 2016. They don't believe in democracy or elections, and would like to see you and I and our families at the end of a rope. They just haven't gotten the confidence and their numbers up enough to say it........
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Old December 13, 2019, 12:23   #53
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Without illegals, the cost of perishable foodstuffs would go through the roof and our economy would seriously tank. There isn’t American #1 who’d go out and work the Inland Empire fields like illegals do...............
Bullshit. I knew several Honkies that worked the fields.

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I actually think we need some kind of an expanded migrant worker program. Where Mexican farm workers can easily come and work, then return home in the off season....... .
Bullshit again. That is just a border sieve.

Here is the solution ( which won't happen )....

1 ) Eliminate Government Welfare. Let that fall to Churches and other benevolent organizations.

2 ) Eliminate the Minimum Wage. Let wages be commensurate with actual productivity, as agreed between employer / employee.

No " level playing field".

Whoever negotiates the better agreement gets it.

Hunger can be a great motivator. So can Panic.

Sure, there would be 3 years of a shit storm, but that is going to occur anyway.

The question is "when ?"

Now cue all the whiny bastards on this forum that are uncomfortable with the premise, because it is mean and unfair to children.

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Old December 13, 2019, 12:25   #54
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Bullshit. I knew several Honkies that worked the fields.



Bullshit again. That is just a border sieve.

Here is the solution ( which won't happen )....

1 ) Eliminate Government Welfare. Let that fall to Churches and other benevolent organizations.

2 ) Eliminate the Minimum Wage. Let wages be commensurate with actual productivity, as agreed between employer / employee.

No " level playing field".

Whoever negotiates the better agreement gets it.

Hunger can be a great motivator. So can Panic.

Sure, there would be 3 years of a shit storm, but that is going to occur anyway.

The question is "when ?"

Now cue all the whiny bastards on this forum that are uncomfortable with the premise, because it is mean and unfair to children.

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You got my vote.
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Old December 13, 2019, 13:07   #55
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Well then why be one?

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So, you are bitter about being cut from the squad then? Is this something that resurfaces periodically with you or is it an everyday thing?

Weird, but maybe not so much in socal. Here in Ga we have awesome looking babes who ain't afraid of being just that. Guys like you don't stand much of a chance on the squad. Don't know any who have even tried to be honest. Ok, maybe one. But not many.
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Old December 13, 2019, 13:39   #56
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So, you are bitter about being cut from the squad then? Is this something that resurfaces periodically with you or is it an everyday thing?

Weird, but maybe not so much in socal. Here in Ga we have awesome looking babes who ain't afraid of being just that. Guys like you don't stand much of a chance on the squad. Don't know any who have even tried to be honest. Ok, maybe one. But not many.
Oh Bubbatard,,,,, you and your silly projecting.



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Old December 13, 2019, 13:55   #57
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They don't get any lower than zero. Which is what many large, profitable corps were paying before the tax cut.

And when you have a big bloated govt with a big bloated military that most here love you need big taxes to support it.

So cutting corp taxes only passes the tax bill to someone else and/or increases the debt, with interest.

Which is why we are moving back to $1 trillion/year deficits and ever closer to bankruptcy.



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If you want business to actually stay in business,you cannot dump all the costs of societies woes upon them. They will leave. California...good example. Profit is not a dirty word. Business must turn a profit,or it ain't a business. It is a failed business,or a charity. Ditch the envy. Yes,we have problems. Many in fact. But throwing more rocks into my corporate ruck ain't gonna solve anything. I'll look for ways to dump the ruck altogether.Do you run a business? Are you familiar with all the crap we have to already pay,and deal with? When a business makes profit,it can re-invest,expand,increase hiring. Buy new vehicles.Tools. Invest in training. You want businesses to do well.
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Old December 13, 2019, 14:37   #58
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If you want business to actually stay in business,you cannot dump all the costs of societies woes upon them. They will leave. California...good example. Profit is not a dirty word. Business must turn a profit,or it ain't a business. It is a failed business,or a charity. Ditch the envy. Yes,we have problems. Many in fact. But throwing more rocks into my corporate ruck ain't gonna solve anything. I'll look for ways to dump the ruck altogether.Do you run a business? Are you familiar with all the crap we have to already pay,and deal with? When a business makes profit,it can re-invest,expand,increase hiring. Buy new vehicles.Tools. Invest in training. You want businesses to do well.
Hey I know about business, I am in business.
And I know all the costs and hassles.

I am telling you that cutting taxes here, or giving away something there will be paid by somebody, eventually.
Probably in form of a collapsed economy or dollar.

If the Rs actually did something structural like slash spending or dump the tax code and go with a flat tax, that would have had huge positive benefits, because money would be saved.

But simply rearranging taxes, debt and moving from it column A to B did nothing.




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Old December 13, 2019, 14:38   #59
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Unless Europeans and people of European descent start fu**ing more and fighting more, the tide of crazed muslims and Latin American socialist poor will drown all of Western civilization, to be ruled by old white pedophiles, until they too finally die or are eaten alive by their own rabble.

China will stand alone against them.
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Old December 13, 2019, 14:48   #60
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Hey I know about business, I am in business.
And I know all the costs and hassles.

I am telling you that cutting taxes here, or giving away something there will be paid by somebody, eventually.
Probably in form of a collapsed economy or dollar.

If the Rs actually did something structural like slash spending or dump the tax code and go with a flat tax, that would have had huge positive benefits, because money would be saved.

But simply rearranging taxes, debt and moving from it column A to B did nothing.
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Let me give you a place to read about your slashing of government spending. Do you even know how much of our GDP is government spending?
https://www.thebalance.com/current-u...ending-3305763
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Old December 13, 2019, 14:50   #61
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Hey I know about business, I am in business.
And I know all the costs and hassles.

I am telling you that cutting taxes here, or giving away something there will be paid by somebody, eventually.
Probably in form of a collapsed economy or dollar.

If the Rs actually did something structural like slash spending or dump the tax code and go with a flat tax, that would have had huge positive benefits, because money would be saved.

But simply rearranging taxes, debt and moving from it column A to B did nothing.

...........juanni
Haha a flat taxer, yeah that's it. Needed a good laugh thanks for that one.

No rich folk envy there, no obsession with 'my fair share' whatever the hell that is. Nope, just good civic-minded concern by someone with no ax at all to grind.

But back to your cheerleader obsession, why one might almost think from your posts that you're cheering for the other side, and had some personal reason for it ... Why, if I didn't know ya better ...
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Old December 13, 2019, 17:02   #62
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Sorry I don't buy that variation of 'if it helps one child'......

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Cute way of rewriting the script, but not correct.

That's one great thing about this country, you can be wrong, believe you are right and still be wrong, especially if it makes you feel better.

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Its all about leadership, Trump is making a real effort. In the past no matter who you voted for you got the same turd. Under Trump you get a real difference and that's why they are impeach in him. He ain't perfect but he is doing a great job.
I agree he’s making an “effort”.

Well, the Repubes made a HUGE effort to repeal Obamacare when they were in Opposition. They made a HUGE effort to go against illegal immigration when they were in Opposition. And I could list five or tem more hints they voted on with all the intent and bravado of a sailor going out to get laid during his first port call in 9 months.
It’s easy to go hard at it when you know nothing will pass anyway. It makes a huge, spectacular show.
But I’m putting my money on Trump slowing way down if he gets healthy majorities in both Houses. Just like all the other pols.
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Without illegals, the cost of perishable foodstuffs would go through the roof and our economy would seriously tank. There isn’t American #1 who’d go out and work the Inland Empire fields like illegals do.
I’m not saying I support it, I surely don’t, but the economy has depended upon them for 100 years.
We might stand a better chance with hospitality workers, and we would certainly help the construction trades.

When Reagan gave amnesty to 1 million plus illegals, you suddenly had 1 million plus farm and hospitality job openings. No legal worker wanted to pick watermelons for crap wages. So we immediately got 1 million plus new illegals to take their place.
I actually think we need some kind of an expanded migrant worker program. Where Mexican farm workers can easily come and work, then return home in the off season. The career Mexican farm workers do that now, but we need a helluva lot more.
As far as the deadbeats, teat suckers, and thugs, yeah, get them the hell out.
That’s the political will that’s needed. Pay the seasonal workers well for what they do. They’ve been a needed part of this economy for way too long.
But secure the damn border and dump as many of the rest as we can catch.



But guaranteed that if all that happened, within a month most bigshots Politicians lawns would look like shit.

Complete bullshit.

1. I can buy locally grown produce picked by the American owner for about the same price.

2. I don't remember, apples, tomatoes, something.... They ran the numbers. $0.05 more per.

And that's BEFORE you subtract the welfare, robberies, murders, increased insurance rates etc
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Sounds like one muslim IS very very worried about the future exodus of vermin from merry olde!!!

England will be independent once more with Brexit assured, and muslims may not enter in times to come.

Kind of like the USA's current policy and vetting.

If we have learned one thing from our melting pot, some things just do not blend or melt, even after hundreds of years.

Family reunification will have to end and all who have come UNVETTED, need to be revetted and deported over the next decade....FOR CRIMINAL RECORDS.
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Old December 14, 2019, 16:55   #66
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Unless Europeans and people of European descent start fu**ing more and fighting more, the tide of crazed muslims and Latin American socialist poor will drown all of Western civilization, to be ruled by old white pedophiles, until they too finally die or are eaten alive by their own rabble.

China will stand alone against them.
eastern europe seems to understand.
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The next time I hear "THE RANGE IS NOW HOT", it just wont be the same.

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Sounds like one muslim IS very very worried about the future exodus of vermin from merry olde!!!

England will be independent once more with Brexit assured, and muslims may not enter in times to come.

Kind of like the USA's current policy and vetting.

If we have learned one thing from our melting pot, some things just do not blend or melt, even after hundreds of years.

Family reunification will have to end and all who have come UNVETTED, need to be revetted and deported over the next decade....FOR CRIMINAL RECORDS.
Precisely. There is no reason that deportations need be limited to illegal aliens. A person could be stripped of their citizenship and deported at least in principle, all it would take is the will to issue the proper legislation.
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Old December 14, 2019, 21:06   #68
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It's funny to call it the Trump train while Trump is being railroaded into impeachment by Nadler.
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