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Old March 04, 2018, 14:53   #1
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C1 Bayonets - Made in Canada

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Please find below pictures of six FN C1 bayonets from my collection. The C1 bayonets were marked with the "CA" marking for Canadian Arsenal Limited (CAL) which was registered as per The Governor General in Council P.C. 3490 dated 27th August 1947. The "CA" marking replaced the C Broad Arrow on the weapons, bayonets and parts made by CAL. They were made from 1955? to 1968?. I am not sure the first year and the last of the C1 bayonet production. Currently I have the 1957, 1958, 1959, 1960, 1963 and 1966. I hope to find the missing ones to complete my collection including the chromed one for parade.

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C1 bayonets - Copy.JPG

C1 bayonets 2 - Copy.JPG

C1 1957 - Copy.JPG

C1 1958 - Copy.JPG

C1 1959 - Copy.JPG

C1 1960 - Copy.JPG

C1 1963 - Copy.JPG

C1 1966 - Copy.JPG

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Old March 05, 2018, 07:33   #2
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Nice. Now I gotta look for one for my C1A1.


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Nice! I have a chrome C66 parade that appears in the new book The FAL Primer. Iíll be selling off the photographed source material hopefully soon.
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Nice pics! Can you post markings on the back of frogs?
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Frog for FN C1 bayonet - FN C1A1 rifles

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Nice pics! Can you post markings on the back of frogs?
Hello Fallujahgrunt,

As requested, please find back pictures of 3 frogs that I can read the markings/dates. The 1952 has the circle with the Government of Canada ownership marking 1950s type. All the rest of the frogs are 1982 webbing pattern and I cannot read anything, too blurry.

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Frog H.I.T. 1985.JPG

Forg TIL 1989.JPG
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I'll have to dig mine out and look at the markings on it to see the year.
Nothing special about mine, just a standard issue Service bayonet with standard issue 1950s style webbed frog.
No big deal.
Like a gazillion others issued to Canuck soldiers over the years.
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I'll have to dig mine out and look at the markings on it to see the year.
Nothing special about mine, just a standard issue Service bayonet with standard issue 1950s style webbed frog.
No big deal.
Like a gazillion others issued to Canuck soldiers over the years.
Hello,

Have you find your bayonet? If yes, which year?
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Hello Fallujahgrunt,

As requested, please find back pictures of 3 frogs that I can read the markings/dates. The 1952 has the circle with the Government of Canada ownership marking 1950s type. All the rest of the frogs are 1982 webbing pattern and I cannot read anything, too blurry.

Attachment 87628

Attachment 87629

Attachment 87630
The maker mark on the last frog is TIL, Textile Industries Ltd.

I donít know who the maker identified by H.I.T. is.
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Hello,

I found another FN C1 bayonet made in 1957 with double stamped of the Canadian Arsenals Limited (CAL) logo and "1957". I think the employee who stamped twice did on Monday morning or he was drunk at work





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Where exactly were the bayonets made? Same plant as the L1A1s by the creek? Or outsourced?
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They were made at the Canadian Arsenals Limited (CAL) plant in Long Branch, Ontario, Canada. The same place where the rifles FN C1A1, FN C1A1D and FN C2A1were made.
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Oops I said L1A1. Hope you weren't offended.

Is the water tower still standing at the-site-formerly-known-as Long Branch?
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Oops I said L1A1. Hope you weren't offended.

Is the water tower still standing at the-site-formerly-known-as Long Branch?
I was not offended.
Yes the water tower is the last piece of the former site of the Canadian Arsenals Limited (CAL) closed in 1976.

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Please find some pictures of the former Small Arms Limited/Canadian Arsenals Limited in Long Branch.

WW II production : https://pbase.com/mrclark/long_branc...duction_photos
https://pbase.com/mrclark/long_branc...ees_collection

in 2004: https://pbase.com/mrclark/long_branch_april_2004

Before demolition: https://pbase.com/mrclark/long_branch_before_demolision
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Some years ago I found period CAL photos on the Mississauga town website. Might still be there.
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Other links on the small Arms Limited:
https://transit.toronto.on.ca/streetcar/4162.shtml
http://heritagemississauga.com/memor...-arms-limited/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ufs-Rnsik_M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMTblZ7CZdI
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Hello,

I found a chromed FN C1 bayonet for parade. They were used for honour guard and for the colour party. I got this one from the USA.







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Nice parade piece! My frog is rubbery plastic. Congrats on the find.
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Nice parade piece! My frog is rubbery plastic. Congrats on the find.
Thanks.

It is the first time I found a white clothe frog with Canadian marking on the back but I cannot read the year. I have also the white plastic frog in my collection.
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Hello,

Please see some pictures of my 1956 C1 bayonet. This is the first year production of this Canadian bayonet for FN C1A1, FN C2A1 and FN C1A1D. You will notice there a Canadian proof mark in the groove just above the year marking. I got this one from the USA.







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How much $$. ?
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Too much $ , but it is a year that was missing in my C1 bayonet collection.
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Hello to all,

Please find below a picture of the C1 bayonet and the British L1A3 and the Australian L1A2.

From the top to the bottom:
Canadian C1
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Well, I picked up a Canadian poker since my last post on this thread. It's a 1959 dated bayo.


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Well, I picked up a Canadian poker since my last post on this thread. It's a 1959 dated bayo.


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It is great. Could you post a picture of your 1959 C1?
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My 1959 Canadian bayonet. Sorry, but I can't quite read the writing on the back of the frog.










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Great 1959 C1 bayonet!
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Hello,
I got a new C1 bayonet 1957 with narrow grove same as the 1958 and up. 1957 was the transition year for the C1 bayonet to go from large to narrow grove.





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Hello,

I found a chromed FN C1 bayonet for parade. They were used for honour guard and for the colour party. I got this one from the USA.







Hello and thank you for posting pics of your collection.
I acquired a 1958 Canadian parade bayonet sometime ago in my quest for Canadian parts.
It appears to be identical to the one in your post.
I am curious as to whether you have duplicates in your collection?
I would prefer to have a standard 1958 Canadian bayonet with the sheath.
I can send you pics via text or possibly post them here if you prefer.
Either way, if you are interested in a trade or know of a source for the non chromed 1958 bayonet I am all ears!
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Hello and thank you for posting pics of your collection.
I acquired a 1958 Canadian parade bayonet sometime ago in my quest for Canadian parts.
It appears to be identical to the one in your post.
I am curious as to whether you have duplicates in your collection?
I would prefer to have a standard 1958 Canadian bayonet with the sheath.
I can send you pics via text or possibly post them here if you prefer.
Either way, if you are interested in a trade or know of a source for the non chromed 1958 bayonet I am all ears!
Sincerely, Sparkeyboaz
Hello,

I do not have any spare standard C1 bayonet in my collection for exchange. You are very welcome to post some pictures of your C1 parade bayonet.
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So in the midst of destroying everything related to the C1A1 project, they left the bayonets alone or did soldiers bring them home after their term of service?
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I don't think they were suprlussed off en masse/bulk like the Australians did. Some C1's lost and found, some liberated, some just appearing. The few I have were acquired somehow in my travels, though there is a surplus place in St Albert, Alberta on eBay, who sells C1 frogs, occasional C1 bayonets, and often C7 bayonets and C7A2 bayonets, which are advertised as Class D disposal items.
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When I got some British stuff from MARSTAR up in Canada, they stated to me that Canadian C1A1 stuff is super hard to find and is most likely from RMCP property but actual CA stuff is not possible.

But I don't know.....just hearsay and one companies opinion.

When I see Canadian stuff...I just think internally....saved from being crushed.
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When I got some British stuff from MARSTAR up in Canada, they stated to me that Canadian C1A1 stuff is super hard to find and is most likely from RMCP property but actual CA stuff is not possible.

But I don't know.....just hearsay and one companies opinion.

When I see Canadian stuff...I just think internally....saved from being crushed.
Marstar got the C1A1 parts from the government surplus (old Canadian Armed Forces (CAF) surplus) also called Crown Asset. For a while Marstar sold C1 bayonets. There is nothing to do with the RCMP property.
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Well.. that's good to know....
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